tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post6045361869816213830..comments2024-03-18T21:23:54.524-05:00Comments on L.A.Times Crossword Corner: Sunday November 2, 2008 Alan P. OlschwangZhouqin (C.C.) Burnikelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12750267554729853785noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-321334369015898272008-11-03T01:10:00.000-06:002008-11-03T01:10:00.000-06:00Doesitinink, Sorry to hear about Studs Terkel. H...Doesitinink, Sorry to hear about Studs Terkel. He was a very interesting man and an excellent writer.<BR/><BR/>Argyle, Excellent taste in singers!<BR/><BR/>It's rather late for the "back east" crowd. I just got home from a girls' night out with my daughter. We went to dinner and to see Kenny Loggins in concert. I was amazed. He's not the soft rock acoustic balladeer that he once was. He sang some of his old hits, but he has a fantastic band and they really rocked out. They had everybody in the venue standing and clapping for almost two hours. Yes, he sang "Footloose", but it was definitely a high octane version. <BR/><BR/>Busy day tomorrow, but will try to get the puzzle early and check in to say "Hi".Clear Ayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463641770718104835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-55968510585669701452008-11-03T00:39:00.000-06:002008-11-03T00:39:00.000-06:00In re: the pope's "belt" -- The white watered silk...In re: the pope's "belt" -- The white watered silk fascia, with the appropriate coat of arms on the ends, is worn by the Pope.<BR/>I believe it can also be called a cincture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-67039882870719872932008-11-02T22:07:00.000-06:002008-11-02T22:07:00.000-06:00C.C. said..@6:36 AMWho are your favorite singers?A...C.C. said..@6:36 AM<BR/>Who are your favorite singers?<BR/><BR/>And Argyle said...16 1/2 hours later...females, Carly Simon, Stevie Nicks, and Linda Ronstadt.<BR/>Males, Roy Orbison, Gene Pitney, and Nat King Cole.Argylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09472446316589207365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-42959420485048427472008-11-02T20:06:00.001-06:002008-11-02T20:06:00.001-06:00It sounds like I missed some interesting discussio...It sounds like I missed some interesting discussions this weekend. I started the puzzle late this afternoon, and got about two-thirds of it filled in before I decided to set it down and come to read what you all had to say. I was mostly on track with the exception of 10D. For some unexplainable reason, I read 'Cassock' as 'hassock' and entered OTTOMAN. Obviously I couldn't get anything to work around that and the grid was still blank when I called it quits.<BR/><BR/>I love Groucho quotes, but a good deal of this one escaped me. The music clues were easy. TEEMER was awful for an answer!<BR/><BR/>I'm going to go read the archives to see what I missed while I was away. See you tomorrow!KittyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04666226081076161638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-80634243328941113622008-11-02T20:06:00.000-06:002008-11-02T20:06:00.000-06:00It sounds like I missed some interesting discussio...It sounds like I missed some interesting discussions this weekend. I started the puzzle late this afternoon, and got about two-thirds of it filled in before I decided to set it down and come to read what you all had to say. I was mostly on track with the exception of 10D. For some unexplainable reason, I read 'Cassock' as 'hassock' and entered OTTOMAN. Obviously I couldn't get anything to work around that and the grid was still blank when I called it quits.<BR/><BR/>I love Groucho quotes, but a good deal of this one escaped me. The music clues were easy. TEEMER was awful for an answer!<BR/><BR/>I'm going to go read the archives to see what I missed while I was away. See you tomorrow!KittyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04666226081076161638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-45638238183692458272008-11-02T19:33:00.000-06:002008-11-02T19:33:00.000-06:00I worked this puzzle off and on for an hour or two...I worked this puzzle off and on for an hour or two then watched the Bears game hoping to come back to it with fresh eyes. Did'nt work. Groucho is one of my all time favorite wits and I'm sorry that I didn't get this.<BR/> So, one of my favorite Groucho-isms,"We were so hungry when we got to Moscow, soviet".<BR/>Thanks again for the company!!papajimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10728275276151852545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-13165140815186804102008-11-02T18:12:00.000-06:002008-11-02T18:12:00.000-06:00To C.C. -- Most certainly, many great works have...To C.C. -- <BR/><BR/> Most certainly, many great works have come from loneliness -- Beethoven's deafness, and his dealing with it, leaps to mind. <BR/><BR/> Re-reading your Saturday post: <BR/>"LONELINESS can be beautiful and inspiring, esp if you are comfortable being alone."<BR/><BR/> I probably over-reacted to the clue's word "cheerlessness" and your use of "comfortable". After 45 years of a great marriage, I am now alone, but am not lonely; I am in solitude. All my memories are happy tonight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-61443994525094742582008-11-02T17:53:00.000-06:002008-11-02T17:53:00.000-06:00This was definitely a challenging puzzle, but afte...This was definitely a challenging puzzle, but after banging my head against a brick wall for a bit, I did manage to complete it UNaided and with only five incorrect squares.<BR/><BR/>PSEUD? I have never heard it used as anything but a prefix, so I had some difficulties where PSEUD crossed SOUTANE and UNA. I know the word SOUTANE but could not pull it out of my memory. Of course, it didn't help that I misspelled HOSNI as Hasni. Most of the other proper names I was able to get from the crosses, except for Arnold STANG.<BR/><BR/>Like you, cc, I had heard of the TVA but not the CVA. Some years ago I biked around the DINGLE peninsula, so that was easy. And I knew Sir George SOLTI because he was the director of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra from 1969 to 1991.<BR/><BR/>May Sarton wrote a wonderful book entitled <B>Journal of a Solitude</B>, subtitled "the intimate diary of a year in the life of a creative woman".<BR/><BR/>And sadly on Friday <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmDUwlseN4M&feature=related" REL="nofollow">Studs Terkel</A> died. He was the Pulitzer Prize winning author of books such as <B>Working</B>, <B>The Good War</B> and <B>Hard Times</B> that gave voice to ordinary people. He will be missed.DoesItinInkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12704832430972690533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-89751440587259282682008-11-02T15:49:00.000-06:002008-11-02T15:49:00.000-06:00Here's Georges Moustaki on the subject of solitude...Here's Georges Moustaki on the subject of solitude:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvFLBs9S8FY" REL="nofollow">Ma Solitude</A><BR/><BR/>Here are the lyrics:<BR/>Pour avoir si souvent dormi avec ma solitude<BR/>Je m'en suis fait presque une amie une douce habitude<BR/>Elle ne me quitte pas d'un pas fidèle comme une ombre<BR/>Elle m'a suivi çà et là aux quatre coins du monde<BR/>Non je ne suis jamais seul avec ma solitude<BR/>Quand elle est au creux de mon lit elle prend toute la place<BR/>Et nous passons de longues nuits tous les deux face à face<BR/>Je ne sais vraiment pas jusqu’où ira cette complice<BR/>Faudra-t-il que j'y prenne goût ou que je réagisse<BR/>Non je ne suis jamais seul avec ma solitude<BR/>Par elle j'ai autant appris que j'ai versé de larmes<BR/>Si parfois je la répudie jamais elle ne désarme<BR/>Et si je préfère l'amour d'une autre courtisane<BR/>Elle sera à mon dernier jour ma dernière compagne<BR/>Non je ne suis jamais seul avec ma solitude<BR/>Non je ne suis jamais seul avec ma solitude<BR/><BR/>Those who know enough French should enjoy it, others will like the sound anyway.kaziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761801803016465459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-44925919209165649442008-11-02T14:54:00.000-06:002008-11-02T14:54:00.000-06:00C.C. LOL, Of course I would like to think that the...C.C. LOL, Of course I would like to think that there are many men for whom I have been an inspiration and muse. Too bad, but I don't think that there has been a Chopin in my life. Maybe that is because I am no George Sand.<BR/><BR/>I'm pretty sure being an inspiration to a genius just might be more work that I would want to take on. From what I've seen and read, the "genius personality" is often very selfish and demanding. <BR/><BR/>I think Meredith Wilson's musical The Music Man <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VEjKFEMQ-o" REL="nofollow">My White Knight</A> came pretty close to my sentiments. This is Kristin Chenowith's version.<BR/><BR/>Since it is "slow Sunday", here's another poem about being alone, in the most basic sense. It comes from the unexpected source of Ogden Nash, who is best know for his short witty poems. <BR/><BR/> <B><I>Listen</I></B><BR/><BR/>There is a knocking in the skull,<BR/>An endless silent shout<BR/>Of something beating on a wall,<BR/>And crying, “Let me out!”<BR/><BR/>That solitary prisoner<BR/>Will never hear reply.<BR/>No comrade in eternity<BR/>Can hear the frantic cry.<BR/><BR/>No heart can share the terror<BR/>That haunts his monstrous dark.<BR/>The light that filters through the chinks<BR/>No other eye can mark.<BR/><BR/>When flesh is linked with eager flesh,<BR/>And words run warm and full,<BR/>I think that he is loneliest then,<BR/>The captive in the skull.<BR/><BR/>Caught in a mesh of living veins,<BR/>In cell of padded bone,<BR/>He loneliest is when he pretends<BR/>That he is not alone.<BR/><BR/>We’d free the incarcerate race of man<BR/>That such a doom endures<BR/>Could only you unlock my skull,<BR/>Or I creep into yours. <BR/><BR/>- Ogden NashClear Ayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463641770718104835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-22819559139265747672008-11-02T13:48:00.000-06:002008-11-02T13:48:00.000-06:00c.c.,Well, I'm glad to have that clarified! Thank...c.c.,<BR/>Well, I'm glad to have that clarified! Thanks for the compliment earlier too! It was just the challenge of trying to make sense of it that drove me to unravel all that terrible un-English on Wiki!kaziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761801803016465459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-11002097715635232752008-11-02T11:57:00.000-06:002008-11-02T11:57:00.000-06:00Anonymous @ 9:02am,I checked the song lyrics. You ...Anonymous @ 9:02am,<BR/>I checked the song lyrics. You are right, there is a line "Your scarf it was apricot/You had one eye in the mirror/As you watched yourself GAVOTTE..." Thanks.<BR/><BR/>Dick,<BR/>And I am not prepared to ask the ship/boat question to a sailor again.<BR/><BR/>Clear Ayes,<BR/>Thanks for the simple yet thought-provoking poem. OK, so you are not someone's Fanny, are you someone's George Sand then? I am thinking of the love & inspiration Sand offered to Chopin during his productive years.<BR/><BR/>Yael & Ken,<BR/>Welcome! Hope to see you guys next Sunday.Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12750267554729853785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-41267647582658389922008-11-02T11:36:00.000-06:002008-11-02T11:36:00.000-06:00Kazie,D'oh! It turns out that John Lampkin was tal...Kazie,<BR/>D'oh! It turns out that <A HREF="http://johnlampkin.com/bio.html" REL="nofollow">John Lampkin</A> was talking about the clue for ESEL, which has been clued as "Düsseldorf donkey" in the past. <BR/><BR/>He explained to me that "No editor likes that entry because it is crosswordese. No sane English speaking native would ever use the word in conversation. It exists only in Germany and in crossword puzzles. Peter Gordon singled it out as a word to avoid in his now defunct NY Sun guidelines. I used it as a synechdoche, representing all such words to be avoided."Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12750267554729853785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-29565107150594991622008-11-02T11:09:00.000-06:002008-11-02T11:09:00.000-06:00Yael,Tries is correct. 15D is por, 18D is misadd....Yael,<BR/><BR/>Tries is correct. 15D is por, 18D is misadd.<BR/><BR/>I have a bit of an advantage here because the "Sunday" crossword comes out in the Saturday Globe and Mail - not that I get it done any quicker.<BR/><BR/>Lots of small gaps this week like Una, Solti and Stang - but got most of it, including the quote, without resorting to Google. "Teemer" is indeed stretghing it, as is sharpie.<BR/><BR/>Ken W., AlbertaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-92111416947880135082008-11-02T10:31:00.000-06:002008-11-02T10:31:00.000-06:00I found the same quote attributed to Edward Morgan...I found the same quote attributed to Edward Morgan Forster. Did anyone get 18D? (I can't figure out the third letter) I had 26A as "tries" but it doesn't fit with 15D which I had as "los"<BR/>Would appreciate any advice. Thanks.Yaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894116732283953075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-36597913359430658772008-11-02T10:09:00.000-06:002008-11-02T10:09:00.000-06:00Good Morning All, Oh, how I wish I could work on ...Good Morning All, Oh, how I wish I could work on the Sunday crossword! C.C.'s links and questions always make me interested in finding out more.<BR/><BR/>It cheered me up (I woke up too early) to see a Groucho Marx quote. I think he was one of the great American humorists. Apropos of the upcoming election, another of his quotes was "All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." Let's hope by Wednesday, that quote won't be so spot on.<BR/><BR/>BTW, where is Buckeye, another Groucho aficionado?<BR/><BR/>C.C. There haven't been many love letters or poems for me. I did have a gentleman friend, before I met my husband, who knew I enjoyed poetry and gave me a collection of Eugene Field poems. My father was a great poetry lover and used to recite snippets whenever the spirit moved him...which was often. I think he was the one who was most responsible for my love of poetry.<BR/><BR/>I have to say, in defense of the less articulate lover, sometimes there is nothing more appreciated than a heartfelt "Oohh, Baby!"<BR/><BR/>About yesterday's discussion of loneliness....<BR/><BR/><B><I>oh yes</I></B> <BR/><BR/>there are worse things than<BR/>being alone<BR/>but it often takes decades<BR/>to realize this<BR/>and most often<BR/>when you do<BR/>it's too late<BR/>and there's nothing worse<BR/>than<BR/>too late.<BR/><BR/>- Charles Bukowski<BR/><BR/>Charles Bukowski was a mid-20th Century poet and novelist. He was somewhat of a counter-culture icon and was known as "The Skid Row Poet". I read somewhere that the character "Claude Bukowski" in the musical "Hair" was named after him.<BR/><BR/>G.A.H. and I are on our way to a Sunday morning brunch. I'll check in later to see what is going on here.Clear Ayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463641770718104835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-62881826566285008462008-11-02T09:22:00.000-06:002008-11-02T09:22:00.000-06:00Good morning CC, DFs and DFettes...Wow what a puzz...Good morning CC, DFs and DFettes...Wow what a puzzle today. I needed quite a bit of outside help and still spent about two hours trying to figure out this hammer. There were too many proper names to solve even with the crosses.<BR/><BR/>CC I agree the picture of the sailing ship looks more like a boat. The difference being that you can put a boat on a ship but you cannot put a ship on a boat.<BR/><BR/>I could not understand why I got awake so early this morning and then my bride explained that the clocks were set back last night.Dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486268207040292639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-73467806412383168612008-11-02T09:02:00.000-06:002008-11-02T09:02:00.000-06:00regarding 28A, is this really the dance Carly Simo...regarding 28A, is this really the dance Carly Simon refers to in"You're So Vain"? Of course her family was operatically trained....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-54219996263232017242008-11-02T08:48:00.000-06:002008-11-02T08:48:00.000-06:00c.c.,Whoever said that either knows something we d...c.c.,<BR/>Whoever said that either knows something we don't, or were they just tired of you talking about it?kaziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761801803016465459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-50006298823726994952008-11-02T08:40:00.000-06:002008-11-02T08:40:00.000-06:00Todays' puzzle was just tough. There were a lot o...Todays' puzzle was just tough. There were a lot of proper names.<BR/> I would like to pose a question about how people work the puzzle. Normally i work each block with a cross check on the scross or down. Or sometimes, the first part is too hard, so i dropped to the bottom. It seems to work better with using the clue as both the answer and the check. <BR/>Olschwang does prepare a tough puzzle. I wonder if he read this blog<BR/><BR/>Alabama is now 8 and 0, and may be number one with the Teas loss. Do you think that Sabin is worth four million dollars.<BR/><BR/>abogato in AlabamaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-61669502952042946632008-11-02T08:03:00.000-06:002008-11-02T08:03:00.000-06:00Actually, C.C., the restrictions regarding how man...Actually, C.C., the restrictions regarding how many posts we can make won't really affect me so much because I plan to go to bed soon. (I have classes tomorrow, both a few I teach and one class I take.) Kind of sad that I'll be going to bed and most people haven't checked in yet, eh? I guess they're still working on the puzzle. I really think wikiquote was the way to go this week.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I'm actually flattered that you think I speak French at home: I barely use it since I left Canada but it remains one of the half dozen or so languages that I have more than a passing familiarity with.<BR/><BR/>MartinMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00065890894217992005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-25089085881083063512008-11-02T07:21:00.000-06:002008-11-02T07:21:00.000-06:00Martin,No, your last comment does not count. NONE ...Martin,<BR/>No, your last comment does not count. NONE of the posts that answer mine or others' crossword related questions should be counted. Sorry for the restrictions. I don't know where I got the idea that you speak French at home.<BR/><BR/>Kazie et al,<BR/>I hope I've made myself clear. Please feel free to jump in when you see a question that needs to be addressed.Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12750267554729853785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-46787693160271972612008-11-02T07:12:00.000-06:002008-11-02T07:12:00.000-06:00Ouch again.I speak English at home but, really, I ...Ouch again.<BR/><BR/>I speak English at home but, really, I didn't have enough of the quote to be able to guess it without going to wikiquote.<BR/><BR/>Martin (Does it count as two if I answer a question you asked?)Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00065890894217992005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-92013084124043581982008-11-02T07:02:00.000-06:002008-11-02T07:02:00.000-06:00Martin,I think it's a serious cheating if go to Wi...Martin,<BR/>I think it's a serious cheating if go to Wikiquote first for a quip/quote themed puzzle. What language do you speak at home?<BR/><BR/>Thejvn,<BR/>OK, I think I might have misused LONELINESS yesterday. But don't you think many beautiful songs/poems are written by people who feel lonely and sad?Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12750267554729853785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995532066584316410.post-32100654973098416022008-11-02T06:36:00.000-06:002008-11-02T06:36:00.000-06:00Martin,It comforts me to get an "Ouch" reaction fr...Martin,<BR/>It comforts me to get an "Ouch" reaction from you. This puzzle was insanely hard for me. I had no problem getting PSEUD because it has appeared several times in our puzzle before.<BR/><BR/>Argyle,<BR/>Pittsburgh Post Gazette also carries the Sunday TMS puzzle. Thanks for "Mr. Lonely". Who are your favorite singers?<BR/><BR/>Clear Ayes,<BR/>The reason I asked you about Fanny is because I felt that you are a lady who was pampered by loving letters/poems during a certain time in your youth. <A HREF="http://englishhistory.net/keats/letters/brawnemarch1820.html" REL="nofollow">Keats' March 1820 "Sweetest Fanny"</A> letter is one of my favorites, so passionate. Thanks for the follow-up on the flyweight/featherweight.<BR/><BR/>Kazie,<BR/>Oh, now I understand "only the Unterbacher donkey doesn't come". You are incredible. Someone remarked on Halloween that "Can we drive a stake through the Duseldorf's donkey's heart for good?" I was lost, and I am still lost.Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12750267554729853785noreply@blogger.com