Theme: None
Words: 70 (missing Q,Z)
Blocks: 32
Brad Wilber is a familiar name, but I did not recognize the co-author
today - he has contributed several times to the LA Times, mostly
Fridays. The grid itself looked like a typical weekday puzzle, not so
intimidating. I forgot to set the clock, but I do believe I went over
my allotted personal time. The triples on the left and the crossings of
the names in the SE slowed me down, again, and had to guess for most of
them. Triple 10-letter corners in the Down, and a pair of 11-letter
climbers crossing a pair of 9's;
8. They may provide track details : SLEEVE NOTES - I filled this in, but did not make the connection - I was thinking "track" as in horse racing, not albums/CDs
back half of a sleeve from a 1985 album
23. Signs of infrequent cleaning : DUST BUNNIES
44. Line after Casca's "Speak, hands, for me!" : "ET TU, BRUTE~?" - the whole phrase
O.N..W...A....R.....D......~!
ACROSS:
1. Rose of rock : AXL - of Guns N' Roses fame
4. Incidental catches by South Pacific tuna fishermen : OPAHS
9. Mall Santa, probably : TEMP
13. Endodontic therapy : ROOT CANAL - the "-dontic" part helped me out
15. "Finding Dory" studio : PIXAR - "Finding Nemo" characters return
16. Reject : PUSH ASIDE - ah, the verb, not the noun.
17. As expected : ON CUE - strange. I nailed this.
18. Roundup group : STEERS - POSSE was not long enough
19. When the French fry? : ÉTÉ - Frawnche summer
21. Terrible's two : ARs - the two "R"s of teRRible
22. Presented an invention? : LIED - clever
24. Compared with : VIS-À-VIS - from the Frawnche for face to face
26. Canada's highest peak : LOGAN - OK, I cheated. I looked at a list of mountains in Canada
31. World leader whose name shares its last four letters with a state : OBAMA - this was my first guess, since it had occurred to me in the past that Obama and Alabama had the common ending
4. Incidental catches by South Pacific tuna fishermen : OPAHS
9. Mall Santa, probably : TEMP
13. Endodontic therapy : ROOT CANAL - the "-dontic" part helped me out
15. "Finding Dory" studio : PIXAR - "Finding Nemo" characters return
16. Reject : PUSH ASIDE - ah, the verb, not the noun.
17. As expected : ON CUE - strange. I nailed this.
18. Roundup group : STEERS - POSSE was not long enough
19. When the French fry? : ÉTÉ - Frawnche summer
21. Terrible's two : ARs - the two "R"s of teRRible
22. Presented an invention? : LIED - clever
24. Compared with : VIS-À-VIS - from the Frawnche for face to face
26. Canada's highest peak : LOGAN - OK, I cheated. I looked at a list of mountains in Canada
31. World leader whose name shares its last four letters with a state : OBAMA - this was my first guess, since it had occurred to me in the past that Obama and Alabama had the common ending
32. Together : SANE - Oh, that kind of together
33. "South Park" kid : STAN - or KYLE~!? I went with STAN, then switched, and then switched back
35. WWI hero portrayed by Gary Cooper : SGT. YORK - again, before my time
38. Bond yield: Abbr. : INTerest
39. Creepy look : LEER - I saw your wolfish look yesterday, Lemonade
41. Not much at all : A BIT - SOME~? A FEW~?
42. Golfer with an "army" : ARNIE - R.I.P.
46. Longtime Indiana senator Dick : LUGAR - perps and two WAGs
47. Hall of Fame outfielder Richie of the '40s-'50s Phillies : ASHBURN - perps and two WAGs
48. Automaker that introduced headlight wipers : SAAB - oops, not AUDI, but I was close
50. Last pres. born in the 19th century : DDE - not sure if we were looking for a short name, or initials. At first I had was "E" in the middle, since I misspelled the Frawnche crossing
51. Dr. for women : GYNecologist
52. Cold-stricken : RHEUMY - Dah~! Not CHILLY - that's 33.33% 100% correct, tho
56. Coventry coolers : GAOLS - argh~! I was stuck looking for some sort of drink to 'cool' off. This is the clink, the brig, the gulag, the pokey....
58. Corfu locale : IONIAN SEA - my "OMA" WAG was a big help here
61. Impressive lineup : ARRAY
63. Final crossing? : STYX
64. Nixon-Brezhnev missile pact : SALT I
65. Approved : OK'D - again, had it, took it out, put it back in
DOWN:
1. Some dadaist works : ARPS - ooo, close, I went with ARTE
2. Cross off : X OUT
3. Shake, as a tail : LOSE - when you are 14d.
4. Ovoid winds : OCARINAS
5. So five minutes ago : PASSÉ
6. Young Darth's nickname : ANI - Anakin Skywalker
7. Victimized : HAD
9. __ can : TIN
6. Young Darth's nickname : ANI - Anakin Skywalker
7. Victimized : HAD
9. __ can : TIN
10. Dig action : EXCAVATING
11. Senegal neighbor : MAURITANIA - I got it, but don't ask me how I knew it
14. Running, with "on" : THE LAM - a Blue Öyster Cult song~!
20. River through Umbria : TIBER
25. Break fillers : ADS
26. Focus of an EPA phasedown introduced in 1973 : LOW LEAD GAS - I tried "NON" at the start, but it was not jibing for me
27. Curiosities : OBJETS D' ART - more Frawnche - we got hit hard today~!
28. Mathematical approach to military strategy, say : GAME THEORY
30. "Speak!" : "SAY IT~!"
36. Chess luminary Kasparov : GARRY - Larry, Barry, Garry, I tried them all
37. Much of Botswana : KALAHARI - SAHARAN did not fit - because I was too far north
43. 17th-century Flemish painter : RUBENS
45. Film Warren commissioned? : BUGSY - I had the "--GSY" part, so I hardly read the clue
49. Hilarious : A RIOT
53. "Teach __ number our days": Psalm 90 : US TO
54. Like doormats : MEEK - I like this door mat
more funny ones here
55. Sale area : YARD - ah, took a moment. I like "yard saleing"
57. Negligent : LAX
59. Medical suffix : OMA - a cancerous growth/tumor
60. Org. with Colts and Cowboys : NFL - and a gimme to end the day
37 comments:
Hello Puzzlers -
This rascal was a bit tougher than some, kept me working right to the last. Plenty of unknowns, but not Ionian Sea - how's that for a coincidence?!?
Morning, Splynter, that's a remarkable array.
Morning, all!
Got through this one pretty quickly except for the SW section, which nearly killed me. Both LOGAN and ASHBURN were complete unknowns, and for awhile I guessed Canada's highest peak started with MT. I couldn't remember WJM for the longest time, although I did guess correctly at GAOLS, so that was nice. The hardest part was simply coming up with the three long down answers. LOW LEAD GAS? Never heard of it. OBJETS D'ART? Heard of them, but never associated them with "curiosities". And GAME THEORY? Sure, why not. In the end, my ability to finally remember WJM saved the day and let me guess at the aforementioned LOW LEAD GAS, and that let me get everything else.
Good morning!
Incorrect WAGs on two of the longs (DUST BUildup and EXhumATING) really threw a wrench into the machinery this morning. Nothing that Wite-Out couldn't fix, though. VIS A VIS and E M FORSTER showed me the error of my ways. Thanx, Brad, Sam and Splynter.
A ROOT CANAL is a common precursor to a crown fitting. I received a "coronation" last week without the former -- a wrap-around filling had failed and couldn't be repaired.
"Terrible" has also got two Es.
WAGged the U and managed to get BUGSY, but still don't understand the answer. Anybody?
Never mind. That's pretty darned obscure!
Sorry to be among the first to post on this puzzle, because I haven't started it yet, or even Friday's, but I wanted to make a point or two about Thursday's puzzle, The combination of being a very late riser and being in the Pacific time zone makes it hard for me to comment anywhere but last, and therefore unread.
Steve said, "37. Next Dodger after Fernando to win the Cy Young Award : OREL. If Clayton Kershaw keeps it up, he's going to be the next Cy Young winner." The clue was carefully worded to be time-independent (see CAVS), but Steve's comment implied that Kershaw had not already won the Cy Young Award - three times, actually. He still might win in again, but not this year, having missed two months with a herniated disk in his back. (And certainly not Maeda, if ever.) I thought surely some other posters would pick up on that, but they didn't, so I felt it was my solemn duty to do so.
I was slightly confused when I got AREOLA, because the IRIS is part of the eye. Wiktionary straightened me out; its article includes the missing image Steve requested, the AREOLAE that a great many of us know and love (minus the labels!).
I found the puzzle surprisingly easy, because I knew many of the answers and threw in a lot of WAGs that turned out to be mostly right. Although I knew Louis CK, a funny man, I had never heard of the comedian that perps were giving me, LOU ISCK.
Thanks to Jacob for a very enjoyable puzzle and Steve for his excellent exposition.
GO DODGERS! And if you can't manage two in a row, GO CUBS!
And I'm looking forward to doing today's and Fridays.
And so to bed.
Richie Ashburn was an All-Star center fielder (good glove, singles hitter) for the Phillies, Cubs, and the original '62 Mets. He then was the Phillies' radio and TV announcer for over 30 years.
Too tough for me today. At least I didn't spend a lot of time trying. After Splynter's great write-up I'm glad quit early. Congrats to those who tamed this beast, especially Barry. If you can only play a couple of puzzles a week, at least they should challenge you.
Splynter, thanx for the link to all the different door mats. A bit over thirty years ago, when I lived in Jacksonville FL, I had a door mat cut UM made that said "Go Away". People thought it was pretty funny. Then Merck transferred me to Fort Lauderdale, FL, I put out my door mat, and somebody stole it. Dang! Anyway, I wonder if I was the first to think of "Go Away" for a door mat? Haven't started the CW yet. It being a Saturday I'm gonna need red-letter help, so need the lap-top. Waiting for my wife to wake up so I can turn it on w/o waking her up. Came here for comments to see how tough the CW is today.
very doable Saturday- with some challenges to keep it interesting.
Slight clarification on -OMA - it does designate a tumor or mass, but it's not necessarily cancerous (eg carcinoma, melanoma),can also be benign (eg adenoma, hamartoma)
Thanks Splynter, Brad and Sam!
Got through it with no errors, but had to guess at OCARINAS; I thought LOGAN seemed like an English Canadian name, but if the peak was in Quebec, then I'd be sunk. My big breakthrough was getting LIED.
Thank you Brad and Samuel for a lovely Saturday puzzle.
Thanks for the write-up Splynter
Like Unclefred, I saw this was going to be a red letter puzzle.
Too many names I didn't know. Also, what's with LOW LEAD GAS? It was always leaded gas to me.
I looked up BUGSY in Wikipedia, and I found that Warren Beatty had the movie made to fulfill his desire to play the role. He also wanted to play Howard Hughes.
In Cleveland we are eagerly awaiting the World Series. Another proof that the curse has been broken. We have had victories by the Cavs basketball and the Lake Erie Monsters hockey team. Most feel that a Cubs/Indians matchup would give both underdog teams a chance.
Go Tribe!
VS
Rose of rock ? Talk about a Saturday gimme. And then Richie ASHBURN, and GARRY (with the two ARS) Kasparov ?
Many of the clues led to immediate fill today, some needed some perp help, eg DUST BUNNIES, while others had to be pieced in letter by letter, such as OBJECTS D'ART. All in all, I'd have to say it was an easier Saturday puzzle, but I still managed a FIW. Did not know of EM FORSTER. Should have realized M as the needed letter in OMA.
In any case, there were some really great clues today (So five minutes ago, Turning point, Film Warren commissioned, and They may provide track details...)
ARS and OKD will probably draw ire. They were fine by me, and OKD by Rich. But really, c'mon Brad and Samuel. Can't you make a puzzle that is 100 % satisfactory to every individual solver's personal tastes and acceptability level for fill ?
Me too Splynter. Same initial thoughts. I went to the harness races one time. We were guests of the comptroller. Had a race named after us. Still have the program somewhere. It had track details. Back to the puzzle. It was a great clue. Loved it.
Roundup group. STEERS. How timely. Was rereading in my g-g-grandfather's book about being a preacher and cowboy the other day. About the dangers to a cowboy of rounding up herds of wild cattle (in areas that are north of Houston), cutting the beeves into smaller groups, avoiding stampedes and being gouged or trampled by longhorns, and driving them for transport to New Orleans, all the while proselytizing to other cowboys and others in his flock. He had a way with words.
Corfu is near the corner of North and Dunham. Inexpensive fare. Usually good, but inconsistent. Always large portions. Dated and worn-out dingy feel. Needs a makeover. Wait, back to the puzzle. Nailed it with only the first N to validate.
PRESS ENTER pleasantly reminded me of finally resolving an issue with the Properties menu box in my Lotus 123 not coming to the forefront when invoked. Had to change the XY coordinate values for "infobox" using regedit... The internet makes everything so much easier to find. You just have to decide if what you are reading is credible or lunacy.
I never heard the word GAOLS before but everything around it filled in so it had to be. Learn something new every day. I could not fill in the "R" in 11D and 21A, so a DNF finish for me. The rest filled in on a nice pace for a SAT.
GO CUBS!
GO HAWKS
..... and thank god ND is off today!
JJM, ND is playing Idaho State today. Oughta be a great game...
Hey! It's Saturday morning so let's wrack our brains trying to fill little squares with letters to complete words we don't know, hoping they are correct. POESY- saw it last week. EMFORSTER or E. M. FORSTER- one word or three? RHEUMY- I'm shivering. I got them. But I finished the puzzle.
I LIED. I died on OBJETS D'ART. So it was a DNF. Never watched Lou Grant and thought maybe it could be OBSESS D'ART, which made as much sense to me. WSM, WMJ- all staions east or the Mississippi started with W. I had 26 possibilities. Why I didn't fill ET TU BRUTE was a stupid mistake. Everybody that made it through the 10th grade knows that line.
I'll PUSH ASIDE that problem and make a few notes. The VIS A VIS above the USE BY DATE crossing the SLEEVE NOTES and TIBER river and POESY (it's a field so we can cross it) was driving me inSANE. I knew MAURITANIA but was it I,E, or A for the vowel.
Gimmes today-AXL, NFL, PIXAR, LOGAN, ETE, SALT I. I figured it was either Truman or Eisenhower. I guess it's time to clean the floors before the DUST BUNNIES start reproducing like rabbits are prone to do.
Barry- I never knew WJM, so it didn't save me. As far as LOW LEAD GAS, AMOCO sold an unleaded gas, which everybody called 'white gas', before unleaded was mandatory.
DO- Warren Beatty in BUGSY
I have no idea what " low lead gas" is or was, and I'm 63. There was a time when the EPA took mandated all lead out of gasoline, but that was NOT known as "low lead gas".
So I suppose it's not possible to solve a puzzle containing a clue that references nothing anyone knows or has heard of.
I needed Teddy Roosevelt today because this was a Rough Ride. But then what do you expect from a Saturday. Splynter did an admirable job on the Expo.
I started off with AXL, TEMP, PIXAR and ETE and thought I was going to sail through the puzzle. Wrong.
Perps and Red Letters as usual for a Saturday. One answer that I remembered from the Mary Tyler Moore show was the station call letters WJM. Ed Asner had a lot of good one-liners on that show including this one about Spunk. He also used the same line about Perky. Funny.
I didn't get LOWLEADGAS until the end because I thought it was NO LEAD GAS. Now they put Ethanol in our gas which does nothing but cut the car's mileage and mess up the seals in the system. Politics leading the way. (Rant over)
I had E_FORESTER and didn't know which of the 26 letters of the alphabet fit the blank space.
I never watched South Park so I didn't know STAN.
There were a few other stumbling blocks that I won't mention other than to say I was a good puzzle that was undoable by me without help.
Have a great Saturday and enjoy the football games today.
Good Morning:
This was probably a tad easier than usual but that SW corner gave me some trouble, mostly because I kept trying to come up with a word other than Agas for Coventry "cookers." Anyone who reads English novels knows that the cooker (range/stove) of choice is an Aga but Agas was one letter short. When the fog lifted to reveal "coolers" then gaols came to light. Had to struggle with WJM but, eventually, it filled itself in. The G in Logan was a wag but it gave me my Tada. There are no dust bunnies under my bed but there could be alligators in my basement, for all I know. (I have no reason to go down there except to change the furnace filter which I'm notoriously lax in doing.)
Thanks, Brad and Sam, for a satisfying Saturday solve and thanks, Splynter, for being our tried and true tour guide.
We are getting some much-needed rain and our temps have dropped considerably which I guess is to be expected. However, I'd still like to know where the month of October went. Time doesn't just fly by, it rockets by!
Have a great day.
Good morning to all!
Third day in a row I've needed Google help to finish the puzzle. SW was the last to fill as I had OBJET D'ARTE at first. Favorite clue/answer was "Turning point" for USE BY DATE.
Thanks for an excellent write-up and links, Splynter.
Enjoy the day!
Well, thank goodness I got yesterday's puzzle so readily without any cheating because this Saturday was a monster for me. I only got about half before I had to start looking things up, and even then it was a struggle. Some of it was my own poor memory. I loved "A Room with a View" and knew I knew the author but just couldn't remember the name. Aaargg. And I too thought of CHILLY but not RHEUMY. But at least I got the top and much of the Northeast, so that helped a bit. But still, a toughie.
All the same, thanks, Brad and Samuel, and Splynter, of course.
Have a great weekend, everybody.
Whew! I liked this challenging Saturday puzzle. Thank you, Brad and Samuel. I filled the Eastern hemisphere rather quickly and what a coincidence to find IONIANSEA today! Then an author I actually know about, EMFORSTER. In the NW, AXL is one I've heard of and once ROOTCANAL slid in, OCARINA followed. For the longest time I was thinking of typhoon but that didn't work out.
SW was a bear for me. GAOLS is familiar from the many English novels I've read and ARRAY and SYX but I couldn't make ETTU work until I finally researched LOGAN and it all came tumbling through. I should have known WJM but it was so long ago.
Thanks, again Mssrs. Wilber and Donaldson and thank you, Splynter, for illuminating the shadows with your excellent expo.
Have a great day, everyone!
Oops! That should be STYX. Greek mythology.
I also found this puzzle to be unsolvable without a lot of help. Some of the clues were clever and funny, but some seemed forced and unnecessarily obscure. Agree about LOW LEAD GAS; perhaps they were referring to 100LL aviation fuel. Well, at least I knew AXL, SGT YORK, and EM FORSTER right off the bat.
This one gave me a real run for my money (well, at least for 1/365th of my subscription to the LA Times)!
It took me only four lookups plus some mental sweat (metaphoric) to reach my Ta-Da today, about par for a solid Saturday pzl. Thank you, Mssrs. Wilber & Donaldson.
(Full disclosure requires me to admit my lookups, but to add they were restricted to SMMs.)
Tough, tough..... had some errands to run @ 9 so worked it before and after. Got STYX, ARRAY, GAOLS, DDE, ETTURUTE, LEER and OBAMA, but couldn't come up with LOWLEADGAS or OBJECTSDART. Didn't know LUGAR, either. But it was challenging, even though it was a DNF. Favorite clue was "Turning Point"!
Thanks, Splynter.... nice array you have found!
LOL.
Got a mild kick out of seeing Splynter list both SGT YORK and WJM as "before my time." Gives a new meaning, doesn't it, to "false equivalence"?
Hi All!
I thought I could do this after nailing the tiny NW corner and part of the NE. I wanted squid for 4a but that was so PASSÉ. The slog (>2h) began. At least Car Talk and Wait, Wait kept me company.
E.M.FORSTER was almost a gimme since DW studied Post-Colonial Lit. However, I thought it was FOReSTER and kept slamming into the edge of the grid.
Thanks Brad & Samuel for a Sat I almost finished (w/ 4 Googles [I didn't even know what the clue meant for 13a, 20d, & 58a - 58a as soon as I saw Greece I knew IONIAN SEA thanks to the Cornerites discussion yesterday).
Thanks Splynter for the expo. Too much fun and enjoy'd the BOC.
WOs: SpEEd... B/f SLEVE NOTES, EXCAVATIon b/f Dick LUGAR help'd.
ESP: KALAHARI, OMA, RHEAwY [sic - I had wEEK], and LOGAN - I really wanted Mt. Eh? in Canada :-)
Googles [not already mentioned]: ASHBURN and WJM (I had MTM) to break up that corner. And that gave me... somehow I recall in '76 Pop complaining about knocking w/ LOW LEAD GAS in his Charger.
Alas: DNF. G-O-S @56a and S-Y- @63a. Sonnava - I was thinking death at 63a, but the river never occurred to me.
Fav: DUST BUNNIES. Not only did I fill it w/ only GYN and SALT I in place, it reminded me that I've not visited User Friendly in a while.
Runner up: GAME THEORY. I could go on and on re: heuristics to beat GARRY but I'll spare you that and another link to War GAMES.
IM - After Thursday's rains, D-O, TxMs, & I have a cold front here too. Highs are only in the high-70s. Kinda chilly.
VirginiaSycamore - thank you. I was thinking Warren Commission and JFK. Conspiracists SAY IT was the mob and BUGSY's as good a name as any for a made man :-)
Cheers, -T
Musings
-Late start on a perfect fall day where chores had to be done before Husker FB
-Wow, what a lovely workout! E_FORSTER/O_A gave me my one bad cell
-NW quadrant required losing ARTE, IOWA and TURN ASIDE using mini theme “On THE LAM” and “LOSE a tail”
-USE BY dates usually indicate latest date to use for peak quality
-William Bruce Rose (aka AXL) then and now
-The amazing SGT YORK’s feat
-Dick LUGAR lost his senate seat when Indiana voters felt he had lost touch with people back home
-RMN for 19th century-born president left because NUCLEAR was not the EPA concern
-Leonard – “Raj, you should become a GYNoclogist like your dad” Raj, “Leonard, I can’t even look a woman in the eye!”
-I remember GAOL from a Sunday puzzle a few years ago and somehow it stuck
-POESY reared its literary head here just recently
-Frasier constantly reminded Daphne that his OBJET’S D’ART had to be displayed askew
-This fun movie was based on military GAME THEORY
-BTW, PK and I had a nice email exchange and she gave me permission to everyone she has not been posting because her new iMac has had issues with captcha and she can’t post
It was salutary, too, to see OBJETS D'ART, if only to remind me of the correct spelling of the term. It's the sort of near-miss to English that lures me into wanting to misspell it (although I am usually homme enough to resist the temptation).
31D Say It !
The short version
You're on your own with the long one.
Com'on Manac That was to easy [or is that what you want us to believe?] .
Oil Change and State Inspection done, Eldest is home from her Mehndi appointment (no we're not from India - there's a Senior Serve (us parents) themed dinner tomorrow - they stole my Aladin Lamp from Cairo for it), and Youngest is back from ballet. DW is resting, so, time for my NAp therapy [that's my original WAG for 13a :-)
Cheers, and GO CUBS! -T
Here I am again today, wide awake this time. Finished Friday (excellent cluing and write-up) but won't have time to start today's until late tonight - got UCLA-Utah recording now, and then Kershaw vs Cubs later.
I'm here to recommend the Scottish mystery Shetland again. For Southern Californians, Season 3, consisting of 1 story, 6 episodes, is starting again on KCET at 9pm Sunday, 12:30am encore Monday. For everyone else, I found a link for streaming all episodes.
It's really good - to me, comparable to Foyle. I just hope it's renewed; BBC/ITV/PBS have shown a tendency lately to cancel good-but-not-great shows like Indian Summers and the one about nurses in the British army in WWI. Both were planned for extended seasons - IS through Independence and the nurses through the end of WW!. After all, Mendelssohn wasn't as great as Beethoven, but we still play him. End of rant.
GO BRUINS! GO DODGERS! If the Dodgers lose, then GO CUBS!
Anon-T and D-O, glad y'all got rain on Thursday. Hasn't rained in the 610/290 area since September 10, unless you count 1/8" twice in those six weeks. But it's been nice with low humidity and cool temps that will last until tomorrow. After that, we're back with high humidity and high-80 temps.
Got Arps, Axl, root canal, et tu Brute, Rubens, and Kalahari (which helped with rheumy) on the first run; after that, middlin' to slow-go. "Cry of the Kalahari" is one of my favorite books (study of lions by Mark and Delia Owens). Also got misdirected by Warren commissioned film - Bugsy? The gangster died decades before Warren of the JFK era. After reading the blogs, aha! Thanks.
HG - forgot the hilarious Raj line - thanks!
Damn Dodgers. Way to go Cubbies! I'm happy for them and all of their fans.
I had a great rant going and I fumble fingered. In brief, I thought I was doing Monday but Sat slipped in. And NE is Monday level
I finally noticed it was Sat and didn't think I had it in me, but I managed to finish. Except, I forgot to go back and get the M inEM Forster
Richie Ashburn is the wrong answer to my FERRIS Fain trivia. Ironically, the clue: Day(s) off will get the response"Was there a player named Ferris" from baseball challenged.
Now it's too late for Mon.
WC of noreadsville
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