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Jul 30, 2018

Monday July 30, 2018 Matt McKinley

Theme: HAIR SALON (60. Permanent place ... and where to find the starts of the answers to starred clues)

17A. *ATM user's code: PIN NUMBER.

38A. *Contact sport on skates: ROLLER DERBY.

9D. *Forest threat: BRUSH FIRE.

35D. *Business known for overcharging, in slang: CLIP JOINT.

Boomer here.  OR I could ROLLER the ball and BRUSH by the 6 PIN and CLIP the ten.

Good Morning!  I was never too fond of Mondays in the old days, but since I retired they are not too bad.  C.C. and I are looking forward to later in the week to attend the 3M PGA Champions tour (over 50) in Blaine, Minnesota. I do not get to play, even though my 9 hole scores have been over 50 for a few years. But of course the pros must be over 50 years of age. What a great format! We drive to a small airport about a mile from the course and park (no charge). A shuttle bus takes us to the golf course entry and we walk in. (no charge). 3M has a tent set up and we walk in and some 3M volunteers hand us a bag full of 3M products. (no charge).  There is an area where you might purchase souvenirs, but there are also various businesses set up in the tent.  Last year we received free samples of Osteo Biflex ease and Nature Valley munchies.  Next year 3M is sponsoring a regular tour event at the TPC in Blaine, however the "free of charge" will be history.

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Across:

1. "__ la Douce": IRMA.

5. Beat decisively: DRUB.  Looks like D Rub.  A muscle pain relaxer.

9. High-80s grade: B PLUS. My high school gave number grades, 70 was passing, I think B+ was about 88-90.

14. Not nice at all: MEAN.  Whaddya MEAN, not nice ?

15. In __: as placed: SITU. I think I saw this word in a previous crossword.  I did not know what it meant then, and I still don't.

16. "Spider-Man" trilogy director Sam: RAIMI.

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19. It usually shows AK and HI as insets: US MAP.  I think I was about 12 when Alaska and Hawaii were added states to the U.S.  Welcome.

20. Subordinate to: UNDER.

21. Newspapers, collectively: PRESS.  Minneapolis has only one local paper, but you can also receive USA Today or a Wall Street Journal.  New York has a ton of press, I would not be able to keep up.

23. Lightning-to-thunder interval, e.g.: TIME LAG.  Lightning is quite a phenomena.  Who would think that a couple of harmless clouds would rub together and produce a million volts?

26. Play with Iago: OTHELLO.  No this was not Alexander Graham Bell's suggestion to answer a phone.  He suggested Ahoy - Hoy.

30. Naval rank: Abbr.: ENS.  I think I covered Ensign last week.

31. Crosses (out): X'ES.  Most people use "Wite out" now.

33. Fearful: AFRAID.  Three strings went into a bar.  Two of them were refused service because they were strings. The third went into the bathroom, mussed up one end and tied himself.  He returned to the bar and ordered but the bartender said, "Wait a minute, are you a string?"  No was the reply. "I'm a frayed knot"

34. Start of Act II, say: SCENE I.  I never saw a purple cow.  Have you SEEN ONE?

37. Needs to be submitted by, as a term paper: IS DUE.

40. Garlicky sauce: AIOLI.  There's that five letter word with four vowels again.


42. "Fringe on top" carriage of song: SURREY. Chicks and ducks and geese better scurry.

43. LIKE THIS CLUE: IN CAPS.  Like a baseball team too.

45. GI's internet suffix: MIL.

46. Director Lee: ANG.

49. Exec's aircraft: LEAR JET.

51. Elizabeth Warren or Lisa Murkowski, e.g.: SENATOR.  Minnesota is one of only 6 states that are represented by two women in the U.S. Senate.

54. Elizabeth Warren or Lisa Murkowski, e.g.: WOMAN. Hear me roar.

56. Bush 43 successor: OBAMA.

57. Diameter halves: RADII.  Interesting plural - not radiuses.

63. Sch. east of Hartford: UCONN.  Great women's basketball power.

64. Grand Ole __: OPRY.  In the service, I was 40 miles north of Nashville. You would not believe the impact the OPRY had on the population there.

65. Civil wrong: TORT.  Silly me.  I thought tort was something you can eat.

66. Cake pan trademark: BUNDT.

67. Make less difficult: EASE.  Not sure why the medication was called Osteo Byflex EASE.  Odd name but it did not do much for me.

68. Lambs' moms: EWES.

Down:

1. Ascribe (to): IMPUTE.

2. Get control of: REIN IN.  Let the sunshine, don't let the rain in.

3. Classic colorful candies: M AND M'S.  Famous and absolutely great candy.  Not for me anymore though.  Blood sugar too high.

4. Year in France: ANNEE.  NFL players are no longer allowed to take A KNEE during the Anthem.

5. U.S. Army award: DSM.  High award for distinguished service.

6. Barbecued piece: RIB.  Don't forget the Sauce!

7. Sch. near the Rio Grande: UTEP. El Paso, right on the U.S. border with Mexico.

8. Grand Canyon critter: BURRO.  In Minnesota, it's something we say when it is COLDO


10. Ones who may stop to help: PASSERSBY.

11. Peru airport abbr.: LIM.  This is the International Airport in Lima.  But Peru has about 8 more.

12. Thurman of movies: UMA.  So many three letter words. They might all be airports.

13. Taste of a drink: SIP.

18. Internet address: URL.

22. Incoming flight info: ETA. When will we get there or WWWGT.

24. Ice skater's jump: AXEL.  When I was a kid, there was a TV show featuring "Axel and his Dog".  He would close his show every night with a "Birdie".  Like this - "Birdie with his yellow bill, hopped upon my window sill.  Cocked a shining eye and said "Hey, What did you do when your wife dropped the cake?  Batter ?"

25. Heredity units: GENES.  If you have bad Genes, try Levi's

27. Title for Godiva: LADY.  Could be a Kenny Rogers song

28. Actress Lucy: LIU.  One of Charlie's Angels.  Only in the movie though.


29. "__ to Billie Joe": ODE.  It was the third of June another sleepy, dusty, delta day

32. Hospital supply: SERUM.

34. Sun emanation responsible for the northern lights: SOLAR WIND.  Solar means Sun.  I know what wind is.  I wonder how windy it is up there.

36. Elba of "The Wire": IDRIS.

38. Almond __: candy: ROCA.

39. Mystery writer Gardner: ERLE.  Many Perry Mason tales.  One of my favorites.

40. Feel sick: AIL.

41. Suffix with hero: INE.

44. Coll. term: SEM.

46. Hitting bottom, spirits-wise: AT A LOW.  Ran out of Vodka??

47. "That'll be enough": NO MORE.  Ain't a gonna rain _____

48. Research funding sources: GRANTS.  Coach of the Minnesota Vikings, Bud, and his son Michael who we lost last week.

50. Lake near Reno: TAHOE.  I have bowled in Reno and occasionally took the ride down to Tahoe.  I am from the land of lakes, but Tahoe is one of the most beautiful lakes in the world.

52. Refusals: NOS.

53. Taper off: ABATE.

55. Golden State wine region: NAPA.  We have been there too.  Drove through the wine region north of San Francisco.

57. Coax (out), as a genie: RUB. A dub dub, three men in a tub.

58. Puncture prefix: ACU.

59. Shock jock Imus: DON. I have never listened to him.  I think he belongs in a tub of something.

61. Tax form org.: IRS. Careful.  Crooks are calling on the phone, claiming you owe money to the IRS. The IRS will never contact you by phone. They use our great postal service if there is a question or problem with your return.

62. Deli bread: RYE.  I like pumpernickel best.

Boomer



60 comments:

OwenKL said...

IRMA always forgot her PIN NUMBER,
She'd forget in a room what she came fer.
But she vowed NO MORE
As she stamped the floor --
And wondered if that noise could be THUNDER?

A ROLLER DERBY is a place to display
That WOMEN are MEAN in a ruthless way!
They're not always flirty,
They love to play dirty!
And helmet-HAIR is no match for hairspray!

Here is a question that has often recurred:
Who else in GRANT'S Tomb in interred?
There's really no source
For the claim it's his horse.
And his wife would be greatly disturbed!

{B+, B+, B.}

fermatprime@gmail.com said...

Greetings!

Thanks to Matt and Boomer!

Nice puzzle. No problems!

Hope to see you tomorrow!

D4E4H said...

Thank you Mr. Matt McKinley for this easy Monday CW. I FIR in 22:03.

Thanks Boomer for making me groan over and over in your review.

Ðave

Krijo said...

Hi,

after no luck on Saturday and Sunday entries, I thought I would ace the Monday crossword.

Too much Americana (schools, Don Imus?, Opry - country music is not popular here in Europe, ROCA, BUNDT, LEARJET etc.) but all collected by perps.
Only mistakes in US MAP and BPLUS, probably due to lack of concentration and the terrible heat waves here in Vienna.

In Situ is used for example valuation technique of an asset, for the variant when the asset will be used as is on its place and not moved to a different place.

More generally it means that the evaluation of a phenomena will be done on the location.

Good to see Raimi and Lee, both excellent directors in their own way - Evil Dead trilogy and The Ice storm.

Lemonade714 said...

Matt McKinley, I loved your self-referential SO M AND MS as well the CSO to me - UCONN, go Huskies! The clecho to the senators was also fun. I know director RAIMI from the watching the movies but learned how to spell it from doing puzzles.

DRUB and RUB in the same puzzle?

Boomer, I really enjoy your stream of consciousness write-ups, and you provided my only unknown with your reference to AXEL AND HIS DOG which sounds a lot like Lunch with Soupy Sales that I was watching.

Happy last week two days of July and supportive thoughts to all dealing with friends and family health issues.

Bluehen said...

I take it that the Personal Identification Number number is what is used at the Automated Teller Machine machine??

desper-otto said...

Good morning!

Crunch cereal this morning, thanx to Matt McKinley. Thought 26a was "Play with lago," and was expecting the Italian word for "splash." No write-overs, but perps came to the rescue in several areas. Lotsa nines in this one, nice. I agree, Boomer, great stream-of-consciousness writeup.

SURREY: Reminds me of this.

IMPUTE: Familiar with this word from imputed income in payroll applications.

SOLAR WIND: We should be grateful to earth's magnetic core for protecting us from the dangerous radiation. We couldn't live on the surface without it.

Boomer, your Axel story reminds me of this line: What's that in the road a head?

Hahtoolah said...

Good Morning, Boomer and friends. I found this to be a bit of a challenge for a Monday. I really liked the misdirection for today's unifier: Permanent Place = HAIR SALON. I am not familiar with the term CLIP JOINT.

I have gotten ACUpuncture for back pain and gotten considerable relief.

I am not familiar with Almond ROCA. I only know Almond Joy, but not enough letters.

How Lake TAHOE got it's name.

QOD: There are three things you can do in a baseball game. You can win, or you can lose, or it can rain. ~ Casey Stengel (July 30, 1890 ~ Sept. 29, 1975)

Jinx in Norfolk said...

Dang it Boomer, can't you toss that V8 can a little easier? I couldn't for the life of me figure out what MANDM candy was. DOH!

Still don't know Almond ROCA, RAIMI, ANNEE or that Bundt is a trademark.

Like Bluehen, I thought the clue should have been "ATM machine user's code".

Oh well, a FIR is a FIR, even though I had to erase DSc for DSM.

Nice easy puzzle, Matt. Perfect for the first Monday of the week. And thanks for the tour, Boomer. I haven't been to a PGA Tour event since I retired and don't have vendors to pay my way. When Phil goes to the Senior Circuit in a couple of years I'll make it a point to give them a try.

Anonymous said...

PIN NUMBER is redundant. The N in PIN stands for number. As Bluehen more subtly said.

A high 80's grade is C PLUS. You need 90 to get a B.

It's X'S out, not XES.

A phenomenon, not a phenomena.

Anonymous said...

Cruciverb down :(

Yellowrocks said...

Simple HAIR DO today. RAIMI was all perps. ABC run for LIM, oh, Lima.
Hahtoolah, I laughed out loud at the QOD. I also liked your Lake Tahoe article.
Bundt is becoming a brand name which is used popularly, though not correctly as a generic word like Band Aid and Kleenex. I call my fluted pan a Bundt pan, but is not that brand. I bought it in the 60's when that kind of cake was popular. I don't use it much these days but I am sure if I discard it I will want it again.
I am glad the RIB was described as a piece and not a morsel, as it usually is. IMO it is too large for a morsel.
DO, 26 A, play with lago, me too. After getting -ello crosses I finally saw Iago.
It is interesting how, with continued use, a redundancy becomes ligit and in the language. For example, PIN NUMBER is now in the dictionary. La Brea Tar Pits is an official name.
What percentage merits a B+ differs from school system to school system. Where I taught it was the high 80's as Matt indicated.
Xes out. Dictioary: third-person singular simple present Xes out, present participle Xing out, simple past and past participle Xed out.
DRUB and RUB are as little related as PRAY AND RAY are, or MOTHER and OTHER. Merriam Webster says, "When drub was first used in English, it referred to a method of punishment that involved beating the soles of a culprit's feet with a stick or cudgel. The term was apparently brought to England in the 17th century by travelers."

Spitzboov said...

Good morning everyone.

CC has a cw in today's WSJ.

Easy one today. No searches; no white-out; no swearing. Even got the theme before coming here.
BUNDT® form - Strangely, in German they say: Napfkuchenform {f}; or Gugelhupfform {f}

Husker Gary said...

Musings
-Opening with IMPUTE, TIME LAG and ANNEE made for a great Monday puzzle
-Boomer, that Champions Tour was in Omaha two weeks ago enjoying the very mild July weather here. I loved your bowling phrase!
-I chose wrong on DRUB/ROUT yesterday too
-Presidents and the PRESS are at odds constantly
-A short TIME LAG tells you it is not wise to be holding a metal golf club above your head
-Me too, Otto, capital “I” looked like a small “l” and I wondered what play had a lake in it
-And now that pesky I is being used for SCENE 1
-UTEP historical accomplishment under a different name
-ERLE was the first guest on this episode of What’s My Line. What a personality!
-A TAHOE is also a huge Chevy SUV I saw usually driven by a WOMAN to deliver and collect their kids at school
-CA wildfires are raging in NAPA county

SwampCat said...

Raced through this one but enjoyed it. Thanks Matt and Boomer.

BRUSHFIRE was difficult for me. My son in Northern California is only 50 miles from that awful fire in Redding. It certainly is more than a brushfire. They tried to evacuate down the coast but were cut off by the fire.

I know there is nothing I can do, but it is worrying.

Unknown said...

Situs in Latin means “place” or “site”. When a relic is found and photographed (let’s say) before it is moved, it is said to be shown in its original site. Situ (without the “s”) is the ablative case (used when preceded by a preposition) of situs.

oc4beach said...


Monday treat today from Matt. Boomer added more treats with his treatise on the puzzle, plus a few (as my kids would say) Dad jokes.

Only real stumbling block was RAIMI. Never heard of him, but perps took care of it.

Anon @ 7:36am: Although the apostrophe is technically correct in X's, this is a crossword puzzle where apostrophes aren't used. Only letters. So some artistic license is allowable.

Also, Anon @ 7:36am: in my educational pursuits, every institution that I attended used different grading systems where a letter grade may or may not be matched with a numeric grade. In college there usually were no pluses or minuses. It didn't seem right when a GPA, which was calculated to 2 or 3 decimal places, came from a letter based system with an A being a 4, B a 3 etc.

Raining again today and the forecast is dreary for the rest of the week in the East. It's too bad that some of this rain can't be sent out west.

Enjoy National Cheesecake Day and National Father-in-Law day.

Irish Miss said...

Good Morning:

This was an easy, breezy Monday with a cute theme that escaped me until the reveal. I kept associating Pin with Rolling Pin, even though the fill was Roller. Don't ask! But as least I had company in seeing Lago instead of Iago, so there's that! My only w/o was Rout/Drub.Thought of Lemony at UConn and Hatoolah, as well. I like Lucy Lui in "Elementary."

Thanks, Matt, for a fun romp and thanks, Boomer, for your sense of humor! You outdid yourself today.

Swampcat, please keep us posted on your son.

FLN

YR and Lucina, I'm sorry for the loss of your dear friends.

Jinx, I hope you found some solace in Michael's poignant words.

Krijo, from your comments, I'm guessing that you are an ardent fan of film, AKA, the Silver Screen.

I have a busy day ahead as I'm having dinner guests, one of my dearest friends and my sister, Eileen.

Have a great day.

Picard said...

For some reason I found this crunchy for a Monday. DRUB/DSM/UTEP/BURRO took me awhile. I also wanted HOCKEY for awhile before getting ROLLER DERBY. Anyone else? A bunch of unknown names like RAIMI and ERLE. Learning moments. FIR!

When I was a child, my father was a biology professor at UCONN. It was an ag school and we lived out in the woods as I mentioned before. A few years ago I went back to visit. The area is still woods, but our street is paved now and there are even street addresses now!

UCONN still has a dairy bar where you can get the most delicious ice cream in the world. While looking at the cows who produced it! My best friend's father was Frank Ballard who taught puppetry. He went on to be quite famous and there is now an entire museum dedicated to his work.

Here are my photos from that recent visit. Check out the dairy, the cows and the Ballard puppet museum!

In 2000 here I was visiting Frank Ballard and his wife. They were still in the same house as when I was a child!

Lemonade: Way cool that you also have a UCONN/Huskies connection! Can you say more about that?

From yesterday
Misty: Good luck at the eye doctor. Please keep us posted.

Lucina: Thank you very much for the kind words about my photos. Yes, I feel very lucky to live in a place that is so small yet has so many world class visitors. It is surprising how few people take advantage of these opportunities. I am grateful!

I am very sorry that your dear friend is near the end. Good that you were able to visit and say goodbye.

Anonymous said...

I've visited many a HAIR SALON and seen a crossword puzzle sitting on the break room table amongst the cigarettes and coffee.

It's a shame hairdresser's couldnt solve this one together as they are all off work today enjoying their weekend since they tend to work on Saturday. . Its a shame that Rich scheduled this for a Monday as I know the girls would've got a kick out of this one.

Misty said...

Thank you for a fun Monday puzzle, Matt. I worked my way through with no problems except, like Oc4beach, I didn't know RAIMI. But I got everything else, and was especially delighted to see LUCY LIU. I'm with Irish Miss in enjoying her role in "Elementary." I got UTEP without any problem because one of my graduate students got a teaching job there many years ago, and invited me to come and give a talk. A happy memory. And, of course, it was great to see OTHELLO in the puzzle. Again, many thanks, Matt, and I enjoyed your write-up, as always, Boomer.

Thank you, Picard, I will keep you posted on my eye problem. I loved your travel pictures, and especially the ones of the puppet museum. Thanks for posting them.

Swamp Cat, I'm so sorry your son is so near that fire. Will pray that he stays safe.

Have a great week, everybody!

Lucina said...

DRUM/ROUT again today! And PRESS not PRINT.

I see some CSOs to Keith in OTHELLO and SCENE I and even BPLUS which he may have graded a time or two.

Of course PIN NUMBER is redundant but once PIN is reduced to its acronym, does it matter?

My blood races a bit when I see IDRIS Elba's name. What a guy!

RAIMI emerged with all perps.

SENATOR over OBAMA which he once was.

Boomer, you made me laugh! It's a good thing I wasn't drinking coffee at the moment I read your jokes.

Have a special day, everyone!

CrossEyedDave said...

No trouble with the names...

Lago/Iago (also, I need a magnifying glass to differentiate m from rn.)

Could this be a clip joint?

Luckily, this puzzle didn't hurt my brain...

Jayce said...

I liked this puzzle, but for some reason had a difficult time in the NW corner. I wanted IMPUGN even though I know it doesn't mean "ascribe (to)". But then I couldn't think of a Navy rank starting with N. Having MAN starting 3d blinded me to M AND M, and I couldn't figure out what kind of LAG it would be. Randomly forcing in ENS (I suppose it also could have been ADM) somehow switched on the light bulb and I finally solved that corner. Entries like MANDM and SANDL always seem to fool me. The rest of the puzzle was Monday-easy, well, except for having to change ROUT to DRUB and MEDIA to PRINT to PRESS.

AnonymousPVX said...

This was a nice if typical Monday puzzle. No issue getting the solve.

Once retired I found I enjoyed Sunday evenings a lot more, no “Monday’s coming” angst. Also, I seldom do any shopping on weekends, why fight the crowds when the stores are a lot emptier during the week?

CanadianEh! said...

Well now I know why I thought I had a slightly more difficult solve for a Monday. My newspaper had a different CW!
I won't comment any more as perhaps it is the CW for Tuesday (or maybe the first of August by one clue?)
It was a workout but doable during the grandkids'"quiet" time AKA nap time.

Greetings to all.

Yellowrocks said...

Unknown @ 9:09, I totally agree. That, too, is my frame of reference for IN SITU.
From my research, Xes out and X's out are both frequently used. Machts nichts.
At Susquehanna U where I earned my BA, A was 3. B was 2, C was 1, and anything less was 0. I had a very high 2, almost perfect. When I went for my MA they told me the new college waived my "poor" college GPA because I scored so high on my Miller's Analogy. I was insulted. All this tells me we should have a standard scoring system. The strict standards listed by Anon @7:36 back this up.
Today our square dance club is having Plus class(intermediate level)graduation in addition to an open dance for newcomers,hoping to attract students for our fall beginner's class. Busy, busy for this co-president. This is my 5th dance in 8 days. Yesterday I attended a dance that introduced newer callers so that I could support them and vet additions to our schedule of callers. Our usual callers are aging out.
On Saturday night, one of my "off" days my square dance partner and I attended a club to hear a rock'n' roll band. Fun. If you don't want to rust out, you must keep on moving. My disc pains had me on the ropes, but I am making a comeback.
Thanks for the condolences on my dear Lorraine.
Swamp Cat, how scary. I pray for the best.

billocohoes said...

I think CLIP JOINT is kind of a dated term. My father used it for fly-by-night stores that sold shoddy merchandise at premium prices. Wiki talks about bars that serve watered-down drinks, or charge exorbitant "service fees" or "hostess fees" without delivering on the implied promise of sex, often preying on tourists, or sailors on liberty.

Unknown said...

Thanks for the reference to Clellan Card. “....and what will the birdies do den da poor tings”. I’ll let you explain it (or not) to the group.

Ol' Man Keith said...

Thanks, Mr. McKinley, for a typically comfortable Monday pzl.

Sorry to be posting late today. I had minor surgery earlier & am only now sufficiently awake to play catch-up.

Thanks for the mention, Lucina, and, Yes, I did hand out some of those grades. A B-PLUS in my basic directing class was enough to qualify the recipient for entry to the advanced classes.

I imagine Misty had some similar standard, although when it comes to grad students, a B-PLUS would be more in the line of a warning shot...

~ OMK

____________
Diagonal Report:
Two today - the main line and the mirror. A shortage of vowels on either diagonal prevents any anagramming.

Abejo said...

Good afternoon, folks. Thank you, Matt McKinley, for a fine puzzle. Thank you, Boomer, for a fine review.

Tried cruciverb late last night, and no cigar. Used the paper today, which I like better anyhow.

Puzzle went fairly easy. Knew most everything. Theme was fine. Caught it after i was finished.

A few unknowns: RAIMI, AIOLI, ROCA, ANNEE, IDRIS. Thank you, perps.

M AND M S jumped out at me. I love those with peanuts. Any time someone puts those out, stay out of my way!

ERLE was easy. I Try to watch Perry Mason reruns each night. I also learned that Erle Stanley Gardner appeared in the last Perry Mason episode as a judge. 271 episodes were produced and aired.

Heading to an Allied Masonic Degrees meeting and dinner tonight. See you tomorrow.

Abejo

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Wilbur Charles said...

Quickly,I agree that there were late week clues buttressed by some easy perps . I fumble fingered so I have to post now.

Boomer, great, witty write-up. Axel leads to Soupy who somehow ends up with Philo Vance <a href="https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/vance-dazzy>(Dazzy?)</a>
Speaking of baseball... I said Ralph not Bill Terry yesterday. Pie in the face offense*.
Speaking of baseball, I notice the Jumble site lumps sports along with politics and religion as a no-no.
Anyway, I came here to lol at D-OTTO's "Surrey" link.
Wow, the things I learn here( re. Tahoe. )

WC

* Re. Soupy Sales

Lucina said...

Speaking of TAHOE, I read an article in today's newspaper about a man who found some old books in the garbage bin at Incline Village, which abuts TAHOE, and discovered they had belonged to Thomas Jefferson. It took him a few years to trace their origins, authenticity and how they ended up there. He managed to rescue 15 of them and a photo album belonging to the Kellogg family. The things people throw away!

Misty said...

B Plus wasn't terrible, if I remember correctly, Ol'Man Keith.

SwampCat said...

Thanks for the good wishes/prayers for my California son, Irish Miss, Misty, and Yellowrocks. I have no further details today but I don’t think that is bad news.

Hahtoolah, I loved your QOD!

WC, I have suggested several times that sports be a no no like politics or religion. You can insult my candidate but don’t mess with my team!

SwampCat said...

Someone posted a link to a story on how Lake Tahoe got its name. I loved it! Thanks !

Mike Sherline said...

Cheers, Bluehen and Jinx!

PIN = Personal Identification Number
∴ PIN Number = Personal Identification Number Number.

RPM = Revolutions per Minute
∴ RPMs per Minute = Revolutions(s) per Minute per Minute.

ATM = Automatic Teller Machine
∴ ATM Machine = Automatic Teller Machine Machine.

And, as Yellowrocks noted, La Brea Tar Pits = Tar Tar Pits (or is it Tar Pit Tar Pits)?
etc., etc.

My opinion - just because a lot of people are doing it, even if they're doing it enough to make it into a dictionary, doesn't make it OK. To wit, all the above, plus:
1) Where are you AT?
2) 's for plural's - and most who use it do so for some but not all.
3) "All of THE sudden" (instead of "a")
4) "Took me ON surprise" (instead of BY)
5) Confusing/equating persuaded & convinced.
6) Not knowing the difference between imply and infer.

SwampCat said...

Ah, Mike Sherline! Bless you! You are singing my song!

OAS said...

Swamp cat @9:04


Your comment on BRUSHFIRE took me back about ten or eleven years when wildfires fueled by Santa Ana winds destroyed about 1200 homes in S California , many of these in San Diego County. I served my first stint in volunteer relief work in San Diego County. Being of Construction background I was called on to supervise the construction of new builds. Essentially supervising and coordinating volunteers. Often this would lead to being a crew leader or lead carpenter as the need arose. The generosity 0f individuals , corporations and other organizations continues to amaze and warm my heart. San Diego County was my and DW's introduction to volunteer service. We have since served in Louisiana and Maryland S Carolina and West Virginia. The hospitality shown in all of theses places has been over the top. Volunteers of all ages continue to amaze as well as we have seen youth groups and people in their seventies and eighties lend their experience and energies to put people back into their own homes , be it clean up, repair or complete new builds. I hope your family is safe.

SwampCat said...

OAS, thank you for being part of the solution. These things are awful and the heroes who risk their lives to battle nature are beyond any appreciation. There is no way to thank them.

So far my family is okay.

MH said...

@Hahtoola - enjoyed reading the Tahoe story. It's ironic that "Tahoe" is the result of a typoe ;-)

MH said...

Oh, and when you are in Reno you actually have to UP (quite a bit up) to visit Lake Tahoe. Next time there, be sure to visit "Gar Wood's Grill and Pier". And make sure to have a Wet Woodie (named for the numerous classic wooden speedboats that call Carnelian Bay home).

SwampCat said...

Hahtoolah, I see now that you were the one who posted the Lake Tahoe information. THANKS,

After my husband died, my California kids, the same ones now facing the fires, invited me to go sailing on Lake Tahoe, knowing I loved sailing and would now never sail into San Francisco Bay.

They joined us into a chartered boat tour of the lake. No, I didn't get to pull strings or say when to tack. But I got to lie back on pillows, boat drink in hand, and bask in the beauty of this goegeous lake. It is one of my fondest memories.

Ol' Man Keith said...

Not absolutely terrible, Misty, but definitely a sign to a grad student to knuckle down and do the *#@! work. Our school policy required grad students to get all As or risk going on probation.
I know that seems weird, but I understood they weren't to be treated as leniently as undergrads. They had to perform at the highest level to keep one of the limited positions we had for grads. We just imagined their grade scale differently:
A+ = A
A = B
A- = C
B+ = D
B = F

~ OMK

Jinx in Norfolk said...

Mike Sherline, add my favorite "knots per hour". A knot is, of course, one nautical mile per hour. Also, you would never hear Vin Scully say "RBIs", or runs batted ins.

IM, thanks for the heads-up on Michael's words from late last night. And thanks to Michael for those words. They add perspective, if not comfort. I'm glad you are both here.

Jinx in Norfolk said...

OMK, when I got my MBA there was definitely a stigma for getting other than an A. I managed to get two Bs: One from an ultraliberal tort lawyer who taught business law, but hated businesses. I was the naive one who actually believed that contrary views were encouraged. The other was from an Econ professor because I missed a class and was holding the disc our study group prepared as input to a class simulation. I don't blame him one bit for that one. It really wasted a class. My flight from LAX to PHX was delayed - who would have guessed that would happen. I got an education in "real world" that night.

Roy said...

where, whither, whence
here, hither, hence
there, thither, thence
In contemporary English, these have merged into where/here/there.
In Western PA, I learned the forms to clarify which sense is intended: where ... AT, where ... TO, and where ... FROM; etc.

Mike Sherline said...

Swamp Cat - I knew I liked you for something besides being a wild woman (coolest thing around)! Language preserver...

D4E4H said...

Today's fun at Hoskinson House:

- - On Monday and Friday at 1030A we have chair exercises. Today I felt good, and pushed myself. When I came out of the room, I felt light headed so I had our aide take my blood pressure. It was low. The Nurse Practitioner repeated the test with a reading of 77/43. "You're going out." I had my first ride in an ambulance to my favorite hospital. Lynn met me there and stayed till they kicked me out.
- - They drew blood, collected urine, and ran a CT of my head. They found nothing. The scull was empty. The conclusion was dehydration resulting in a difficiency of H2O. I enjoyed another scenic ambulance ride home.
- - I expect many questions tomorrow.

Ðave

Mike Sherline said...

Jinx - absolutely add knots & RBI to the usually misused list.

SwampCat said...

Oh Mike dahlin’. Flattery will get you anywhere!

I’ve given up on split infinitives even though the alternative is much more emphatic. To boldly go... is not nearly as positive as BOLDLY to go.. or to go BOLDLY.

Sigh.. we are losing so much.

OwenKL said...

Now, now, it's not totally a no-no!
"Normal civility rules apply. No bullying, limited tolerance for profanity, politics, religion, sports."
Limited tolerance means it's okay, as long as it doesn't get out of hand. 😏 More lenient than here on religion and politics.

SwampCat said...

Owen, you are so wise....as well as talented.

Anonymous T said...

Hi All!

Am I the only one that didn't know SUrrY nor IDrIS and UrLE? (Oh crud, I spelt DuRBY wrong too!) A Monday DNF for two lousy Rs (with those it'd be a FIW w/ U :-))

Thanks Matt for a puzzle with only two (for me) split-ends. B-PLUS :-). Naw, it was fun sailing through your grid; I'm just ignorant of those names and the two-seated carriage thing (I LIU #learn)

Boomer, an A-PLUS expo that relaxed my hair after the DNF. Next week, when we get LADY again, you can say Styx instead of Kenny Rogers (again).

WO: N/A
ESP: LIM (duh!), IRMA. RAIMI, ANNEE, ERLE
Fav: OTHELLO - took me -THE (je)LL-O to finally suss the play. I figured that was a gimme to OMK.
RUNNER UP: NO, I WILL NOT LIKE THAT CLUE (@43) :-)

{B, B+, B}

C, Eh! LOL! If the puzzle does show up Wednesday, do tell.

OMK - dang! You're a hard-ass! :-). In grad school Bs were acceptable (80-90%) but Cs (never got one in GS), not so much; Ds were right out. As an undergrad, Ds were fine if it wasn't your major. My Graduate GPA (in CS) was 3.5 so you know I got 1/2 Bs.
My undergrad GPA was 3.229 in EE and was rounded-up so I qualified for DOD's "we'll pay for your grad school" program. #SkinofmyTeeth :-)

Mike S. - I'm good on #6 but not #5; care to explain the connotations/usage? Both sound right in "I ___ him that"
On #2 - blame my fingers / lack of edit.

I'd be remiss if I didn't link the crossword staple ONO at Woman [Lennon from Double Fantasy, IIRC. 3:33]

Wishing Love, Peace, and safety Lucina & Swamp. Misty - eye Dr. tomorrow right?

Cheers, -T

Misty said...

You're right, Ol'Man Keith--B Plus did require grad students to shape up.

Thank you for remembering, Anon T. I'll let you know how the eye doctor meeting went tomorrow afternoon, after I get back and collapse and get my nap.

Mike Sherline said...

Anon-T - I convinced him that his information was wrong.

I persuaded him to change his plans and go with us.

Persuade someone to do something.
Convince someone of something.

That being said, it's my personal gripe. My cousin's daughter is an English professor. When she was in grad. school I asked her to back me up, confirm my point. She said they're properly used interchangeably. That was 20 years ago, but she didn't CONVINCE me!

Mike Sherline said...

Anon-T - see what your wife says about it - with her education & profession you have to honor her knowledge.

Anonymous T said...

Mike S. - I'm Consuaded; who else?
("I'm Consuaded, I'm Consuaded; piss off" typical Python Chorus :-))

I see the distinction in do / of; I'll ask DW when she gets home (she's on her way to OU to assist Eldest with move-in). DW was going to go w/ Eldest yesterday but had a shindig with a congress-critter at the College this eve.

Cheers, -T

Michael said...

Roy and Swamp Cat, on proper English. In my heart, I agree with you, but when I speak, out of necessity "whence" goes "thither."

We North Americans just don't speak English that way anymore ... in fact, there are some church groups that I know, who think that King James is the height of liturgical propriety, but when members try reading texts, it is embarrassing to see how badly -- even incomprehensibly -- they butcher the job. Who'd'a thought "camedst" could be a problem?

Wilbur Charles said...

I fell asleep, ran out of juice, got wrapped up in the Redsox extra inning game any or all of the above . This was in the notebook:
Prequel: I've got-T's link playing: I've got the Wilburys with I believe the voice of Roy in the chorus. Anyway, here's my jottings:

I too was trying to fit IMPUGN. IMPUTE is certainly correct.
Re. Sports. Granted, we don't want Redsox-Yankee vituperation. Also, there's Sports and there's Baseball. Ironically, it never caught on in Europe as it did in Latin America and Asia.

And our constructors seem to be fans of Baseball and other Sports. Led by CC of course; BTW have a great time at the Champions
When it was Legends one of the big tournaments was held in Concord MA.
I recall yakking while The King* was teeing off on 17.

I used to listen to Don Imus on my morning commute. When? '85-93?
(8:41 starts here)
Anyway Imus had Poindexter on and let him like about the Gulf of Tonkin and that was the end of I'm us for me

WC

* No, Elvis was not playing, it was Arnie of the famous Icetea and lemonade
Btw, being from Boston I can't enunciate that word intelligibly for Floridians to comprehend. Besides dropping all the R's I add them to Parmah
.