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Sep 16, 2021

Thursday, September 16, 2021 Jeff Eddings

 


Today's constructor Jeff Eddings has appeared previously in the LA TIMES with these puzzlesThe following site contains a brief bio on Jeff and a freebie puzzle he constructed for them (I can't say anything more about it or they might have to shoot me!).  As an erstwhile cryptographer, Jeff apparently likes to hide things, and today he riffs on one of the many meanings of the word CLUB (card suit?, primitive weapon?, deformity?) and hides them in the themers.  In this case Jeff intends them as: 

BIRDS OF A FEATHER

Here's the reveal:

60A. Order served with toothpicks ... and what each of the other four longest answers is?: CLUB SANDWICH.  That is, a group of people sharing a common interest, held together by toast and toothpicks.  Here's the toast and meat:

17A. Alternative medicine treatment: AROMATHERAPY.  The toast in this sandwich is Aromatherapy, a holistic healing treatment that uses natural plant extracts to promote health and well-being.  And I suppose that MATH is a form of therapy to some of our more quantitatively minded Cornerites, e.g. Anonymous -T, Picard, and Jayce (did I miss anybody?).  Were any of you guys in MATH CLUBS as kids?

25A. Publicity packages: PRESS KITS.  A CSO to my ALTER EGO JOE, who had to have learned to SKI somewhere.  As for the toast, if any of you have something to hype or sell, you might find this helpful.

36A. "Night on Bald Mountain" inspiration: WITCHES SABBATH.  The only one of these clubs I was in as a kid, but as I was routinely trounced by my BFF, I eventually switched to GO.  Which I can best describe as CHESS:EUROPE::GO:ASIA.  As for the toast, here's the version of Moussorgsky's  masterpiece used in the 1941 version of Disney's masterpiece Fantasia (11:30):


 52A. Perspicacious: EAGLE EYED.  I have mixed feelings about this, as I have painful memories of flubbing my 4th grade audition for the school chorus.  But these kids really made it:
Oh, and the toast:
 

Come to think of it we're a CRUCIVERBALIST CLUB toasted at sunset each day by Tinbeni!

Now there's nothing more to hide:

Across:

1. Disappearing sounds: POOFS.  Say poof to this and it'll disappear!
 
6. Bridge support: TRUSSA structure of connected elements forming triangular units used to support a bridge.  Here's how they work.

Truss Designs
11. __ rule: ASA.

14. Principle: TENET.

  15. Arrived at a dock, perhaps, with "to": SWAM UP.  Small docks I hope.  I wouldn't want to get hit by a yacht!

16. Bars often scanned, for short: UPC. The Universal Product Code is a barcode symbology that is used worldwide for tracking trade items in stores.  There are many different standards for generating bar codes and also QC codes (2 dimensional codes).  That's the great thing about standards - there are so many of them!   Here's a barcode I generated using a freeware CODE 39 generator (which can include alpha characters) to uniquely identify today's LA Times Crossword puzzle:
 

19. Masters figure: PAR.  This refers to a score, not a player.  I never learned to play golf, as I'm a lefty.  If I'd been lucky enough to know lefty Phil Mickelson, he might have lent me some old clubs.  In May 2021 at age 50, Phil became the oldest player to win the PGA Championship:
 
Phil Mickelson

20. "Where are you?" response, perhaps: IN HERE.  So are you!

21. Staple of African food: TARO.  I've seen this in the grocery stores, but didn't know what it is, as it's usually unlabelled. Taro: What It Is And How To Eat It.

22. Poet Gorman who read at President Biden's inauguration: AMANDA.  She read her poem The Hill We Climb:

29. Puts up a fight: RESISTS.

31. Tijuana titles: SENORASLadies. The start of today's multi-word Spanish lesson and a CSO to our lady Lucina.

32. FEMA supplies: COTS.  The Federal Emergency Management Agency has really been stressed the last few years in dealing with major storms and fires.  Here's what they're about.
 

33. High-end Apple line: MAC PRO.

42. Arrive, as clouds: ROLLIN.

43. Take in a heist: LOOT.

45. Market in advance: PRE SELL.

transitive verb

1 : to precondition (someone, such as a customer) for subsequent purchase or create advance demand for (something, such as a product) especially through marketing strategies

2 : to sell in advance raised money to publish the book by pre selling film rights

See "25A. Publicity packages" for one way to do this.


49. Stuffy: AIRLESS.

55. "¿Cuánto __?": "How much is it?": CUESTA.  More Spanish.

56. More than listen: OBEY.  Last Friday this was clued with "Mind".

57. Lengthy account: LITANY.  The kind of accounts I give perhaps?  But I'm more familiar with the term as a lengthy prayer, usually with many repetitions, pleading for divine help. 

59. "Washington Week" airer: PBS.

66. English __: LIT.

67. Phillips 66 brand: CONOCO.

68. Former first daughter: MALIA.  Barrack and Michelle's oldest.

Malia Obama

69. Exobiology subj.: ETS.  Clever clue for that crossword staple, Extra Terrestrials.  However the science of Exobiology (aka Astrobiology) is a much broader topic than just looking for "bug-eyed monsters".  It is closely related to SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence.  Progress in these fields can be best summed by physicist Enrico Fermi's rhetorical question regarding extraterrestrial life: "Well where are they?", best answered by an unknown Zen master: "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"

70. Holds up: SLOWS.

71. "Battlestar Galactica" enemy: CYLON.  Speaking of bug-eyed monsters:



Down:

1. School support gp.: PTA.

2. Poetic adverb: OER.

3. Tokyo's Yoko: ONO.  Those juicy vowels keep bring her back.  But this time I'll pass.

4. Like "The Handmaid's Tale," to many critics (but not to the author): FEMINIST.  The clue seems to apply to the novel written by Margaret Atwood, rather than the later TV series based on it.  Here's a review of the novel which at least partially supports Jeff Eddings' caveat.
 

Margaret Atwood
5. Arena section: STANDS.

6. Squirt: TWERP.  A silly or annoying person.
 

7. Less cooked: RARER.  I like mine to MOO.

8. Thurman of "Batman & Robin": UMA.  If this review had been written by Roger Ebert, he might have told the producer "Your Movie Sucks", but I'll let you decide for yourself.  Here's the allegedly "best scene" in the show:

9. "Yo, what's new?": SUP. Derived from the English phrase, "What is up?"

10. Word with glass or ware: SPY.  We did the SPYWARE in Jeff's BIO.  How about SPYGLASS, an essential tool for pirates.  Nowadays they're called REFRACTING TELESCOPESHere's the largest one in the world.  BTW, International Talk Like a Pirate Day is just 3 days from now.

11. Worker with a host family: AU PAIR.  4 gluey vowels - count 'em.  Could be why this is the fourth time I've drawn this clue.

12. Helen's homeland: SPARTA.  She really stirred up a hornet's nest all over the Mediterranean.  Hey, I thought Greeks had black hair?
Helen of Troy
(for about 10 years)
 

13. To the opposite side of: ACROSS.  These are the DOWNS actually.

15. Pop duo __ & Him: SHEShe & Him is an American musical duo consisting of Zooey Deschanel (vocals, piano, ukulele) and M. Ward (guitar, production).  They were nominated for a Grammy Award for Best Song Written for Visual Media for "So Long" in Winnie the Pooh (2012):


18. Unnamed object: THAT. So what is it?  My mother told me it was impolite to point.

21. Ring ref's decision: TKOTechnical Knock Out.  The ref's judgement that the loser has suffered enough.

22. Hoops three-point line, e.g.: ARCThe three-point line in basketball is an arc-shaped line near each basket that determines how many points a successful shot is worth in basketball. If a shot is made from on or inside this line, it is worth two points. If the shot is made from beyond the line it is worth three points.

23. "Where's my Fancy Feast?": MEOW.  I'm so glad Hahtoolah is back!

24. Bubbly brand: ASTI.  Everything you might want to know about Asti Spumante.

26. Land bordering los Pirineos: ESPANAPirineos is  Spanish for the Pyrenees mountains between Spain and France.  In 1999 Teri and I visited the little town of Lourdes,  nestled at the foot of the Pyrenees on the French side.  We will always remember the roar of the rapidly flowing Gave de Pau river as it passed our hotel, just below our window.  Lourdes is where a 14 year old peasant girl named Bernadette Soubirous had a series of visions between February 11th and  July 16th of 1858. 


27. Belgrade native: SERB.  After WWII my Uncle Eli came from Serbia to England, where he met and married my Aunt Evelyn.  They immigrated to the US and he went to work in the steel mills in Gary, Indiana.  He was quite a character.  He made wine by the barrel, moonshine by the gallon, and he played whistles that he whittled from little green twigs.

28. Classist type: SNOB.

30. Foul: SMELLY.

34. Silent speech syst.: ASLAmerican Sign Language (ASL) is a complete, natural language that has the same linguistic properties as spoken languages, with grammar that differs from English.
I Love You

35. CBS series with multiple spin-offs: CSI.

37. First Nations tribe: CREEOne of the largest native groups in North America, the name “Cree” comes from “Kristineaux”, or “Kri” for short; a name given to them by French fur traders.
 
Plains Cree Warrior
by George Catlin, 1832.

38. Doughnut __: HOLE.

39. Common dumpster spot: ALLEYWAY.

40. Ring sites: TOESEARS didn't perp and when TOES appeared I thought it was some HIP new craze.  They turn out to be a centuries old tradition in India.  A toe ring (also known as bicchiya) is commonly worn by married Hindu women in India. The bicchiya are worn on the second toe of each foot and are usually made of silver metal.
Toe Rings

41. Entertain: HOST.

44. Airport safety org.: TSA.  The Transportation Security Administration was founded 20 years ago in the aftermath of 9/11, events that are still on our minds.
45. Folks: PEOPLE.

46. Peter or Jessica: RABBITJessica Rabbit is a fictional character in the animated movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit, voiced by Kathleen Turner

Peter Rabbit is another cartoon character who inhabits a universe created by English author, illustrator, and philanthropist Beatrix Potter. Full disclosure: as a gardener I'm not particularly fond of rabbits:  in fact I earned the moniker Farmer McGregor from the two little girls who used to live next store.  However I've softened a bit after visiting Miss Potter's estate in England (and also after putting up a rodent proof deer fence!).  Miss Potter wrote many tales about Peter Rabbit, each published in a series of beautiful little books.  And eventually someone told a tale about her:

47. Expels: EGESTS.

48. Calculating: SLY.

50. "Leave it to me": I CAN.

51. '80s hip-hop pioneers: RUN DMCRun-DMC (also spelled Run-D.M.C.) was an American hip hop group from Hollis, Queens, New York City, founded in 1983 by Joseph Simmons, Darryl McDaniels, and Jason Mizell.  Here's their take on the nursery rhyme Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers and some other rhymes as well (these are the lyrics):

53. Macaroni type: ELBOW.

54. Brake parts: DISCS.  Not something you want to take for granted.  Here's how all the parts fit together.


58. Yin/yang principle: TAO. Roughly the union of the Female and Male principles.  Formulated by the great Chinese philosopher (a CSO to C.C.!) LAO TZU. He is the reputed author of the I Ching, a book of divination; the founder of philosophical Taoism; and is also considered a deity in religious Taoism and traditional Chinese religions.  His influence was also widespread in the West, particularly among physicists pondering the mysteries of quantum mechanics.  The great physicist Niels Bohr actually incorporated the Yin/Yang symbol in his family crest.  The Latin scroll "Contraria Sunt Complenta" translates as "Contraries are Complementary":
Niels Bohr's family crest

60. Loops in, briefly: CCS.  Courtesy Copies ("Carbon copies" back in the day)

61. Texter's chuckle: LOL.

62. One in Mexico: UNO"Así termina la lección de español de hoy".

63. Far less than 100%: ILL.

64. AFL partner: CIO.  The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO:

65. Solo of "Star Wars": HANSmuggler. Scoundrel. Hero. Han Solo, captain of the Millennium Falcon, was one of the great leaders of the Rebel Alliance. He and his co-pilot Chewbacca came to believe in the cause of galactic freedom, joining Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia Organa in the fight against the Empire.  He died tragically, at the hand of his son Kylo Ren, in The Force Awakens:
 
Han Solo, RIP

Here's the grid:

waseeley

Cheers,
Bill

And again thanks to Teri for proof-reading the puzzle and finding videos for Amanda Gorman and the Gave Pau river.

37 comments:

OwenKL said...

FIWrong. Had e'ER instead of O'ER, and didn't notice it made PeOFS gibberish.

The theme escaped me until I got the reveal. Even then it took a bit of effort to suss out the high-school clubs, since I was looking for something like Kiwanis or Toastmasters.

Merlin the MATHamagician dealt in proofs.
He could multiply by zero, make things go POOF!
But he took to crime
And at heist time
He'd magically escape with the loot!

A TWERP is RARER than a Dweeb
A difference the Leet may heed.
It would be absurd
To expect a Nerd
On a n00b's behalf to intercede!

An AU PAIR hired from SPARTA
Was to tutor the kids to be smart'a
But she taught them to fight,
And whomp the daylights
Of anyone who made fun of Sparta!

{B-, B-, B+.}

unclefred said...

FIR in an embarrassingly long 31 minutes, but a FIR none-the-less. As one might guess from the time spent, I struggled quite a bit with this CW. Only W/O SASHA:MALIA. DNK CYLON. With SASHA in there, the entire SE was in trouble for quite a while. HAN gave me the A which could have been SASHA . Also, at the end of the fill I could not suss the theme correctly, either. Dopey me looked for the word “club” sandwiched into the longest answers and when that wasn’t there gave up trying to figure it out. Oh well. Good CW, thanx, JE. You are too clever for me. Very nice write-up, Bill, thanx.

OwenKL said...

My school didn't have a MATH club per se, but we did have math tourneys. I won a trophy for my speed and accuracy with a slide rule. And lettered in math (my B for Benson had a sigma on it where others had a football or whatever). I've talked before about having offices in the CHESS club at BYU. SKI & GLEE, no way!

desper-otto said...

Good morning!

Entering THEM for the "unknown object" slowed me down up top. Further down, _R__ evoked ERIE, nope, CREE. Wite-Out, please. Finished in good time, so life is good. Thanx, for the elusive (d-o didn't get it) theme, and to Waseeley for the elucidating expo.

PK said...

Hi Y'all! Thanks for a doable Thursday puzzle, Jeff. Great expo, too.

Got the theme after considerable study, but thought it wasn't right. Duh! Our high school was so small it didn't have any of these clubs. Girls had YWCA (no sports) and boys had sports teams. That's it. Was busy all the time anyway.

DNK: CYLON, RUN-DMC, CCS. Never can remember that bar code thingy.

Anonymous said...

Today's puzzle took me 7:23.
I had no idea on the clue/answer for "Night on Bald Mountain"/"WitchesSabbath."

Nothing embarrassing about it, UncleFred. You got it.

Why is Malia referred to as the "oldest", when there are only two? Should it be "older"? Or, "elder"? Just curious. I hear that frequently, and it seems to be incongruent.

Wilbur Charles said...

Maitre corbeau sur un arbre perche tenait(tenet) en son bec un fromage
Maitre renard….

Phil is a righty that plays lefty. Jordan Speith the opposite(and Ben Hogan). Wilson made one of the only sets, a Sam Snead model. Later Ping made them.

I got naticked on C?ESTA, Obama's daughter the BG villains and 80s Hip-Hop. Aaarrrgggghhh!!!!. I was thinking R and?s. I thought it was MALIA. But finally I dropped a Z in(ZYLON) and RUNDMZ popped. Oops, not Z, C. FIW

ILL as in not up to PAR

I was in the Bridge CLUB at BC. I won a Master Point but my partner dropped me after I flubbed 5 Diamonds, doubled and redoubled. Couldn't get back to dummy. I told you the Nam Bridge story.

I suppose pop music clues are easy for most as sports are for me. Was I thinking (the)DMZ?

We had Jessica RABBIT singing just yesterday

WC

inanehiker said...

This was appropriately Thursday crunchy - definitely didn't get the theme until the reveal clue and I did see the CHESS in WITCHES SABBATH without seeing the counterparts in the other theme answers until I knew what I was looking for.

I would love to see a controlled study as far as the effects of AROMA THERAPY- but as long as it isn't harming anyone except their wallet- any positive placebo effects that help a person get through the day is fine by me!

When my husband and son walked the Camino de Santiago (500 miles from the French border to the coast of ESPANA) they started in France at Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port and headed over the Pyrenees- a rigorous start and early on separates those who have prepared vs those who have not!

Thanks Bill and Jeff!

ATLGranny said...

FIR in good time but needed the reveal to explain the connection between MATH and CHESS, which I spotted early. A few WOs were RAwER/RARER, SMELLs/SMELLY and FEMINISm/FEMINIST. As usual perps showed the way to straighten them out. I thought CUESTA would be difficult for some but perps were fine. Did not know about the TRUSS and triangle connection.

Thanks, Jeff, for today's entertainment and thanks, waseeley, for a super review with Teri's support. Hope you all have a super day.






Big Easy said...

CLUB SANDWICH- never noticed. Just hoping to FIR with unknowns and luckily I did.
WITCHES SABBATH, FEMINISM, AMANDA, CUESTA, CYLON, SHE- filled by perps.

My paper was messy today after making changes. Misspelled EGESTS as EJESTS. ON IT before I CAN. Wrote RAWER first before RARER. Misread the clue for 42A, thinking "The" cloud and wrote DIAL IN before CREE made me change it to ROLL IN.

Exobiology- the 'science' of studying something that you don't know if it even exists.

FEMA- that agency wastes a lot of money on non-essential things. Overpay big time for some things but deny claims for people that need it. My favorite was last week, TEN DAYS after Hurricane Ida they came out with a policy that they would reimburse up to $800 for a generator and $250 for a chain saw. People who didn't need either went out and bought them, compliments of the taxpayers.

ATLGranny said...

Sounds like they earned their scallop shells!

Bob Lee said...

It took me a while, but I got everything eventually. I saw CHESS and MATH in the long answers, but that didn't really help me with the others (I got the idea retroactively when done).

As a big sci-fi fan, I knew CYLON instantly. Of course I've watched the original series as well as the reboot.

LOL...I liked the Jessica and Peter RABBIT answer. Also SUP and Donut HOLE.

The only reason I know TARO is from vacations in Hawaii, since that is what poi is made from. For some reason, I always assumed only Hawaii used it--never thought of Africa.

Jinx in Norfolk said...

FIW, filling in "im in" instead of I CAN. I thought I missed CCS because Bill's grid shows CsS, but his narrative is correct. DNK AMANDA, Night on Bald Mountain or WITCHES SABBATH, exobiology, CYLON and SHE. Erased pro for PAR, fill in for ROLL IN, and sonoco for CONOCO.

Phil is to oldest to win ANY PGA major tournament. Interesting why he only plays golf left handed. The story goes that he learned to play by standing opposite of his dad and emulating his dad's swing. Of course, his swing would be a mirror image of his dad's, so he learned to play left handed.

So Bill thought Greeks had black hair. I always thought they had back hair.

Isn't the three point line an arc with two straight lines on the termini? I know that's too much for broadcast use, and for a lot of sportscasters to understand. The NCAA made the straight parts closer to the out of bounds line, resulting in more turnovers from shooters looking to take advantage of the "short" three point shot.

Thanks to Jeff and Bill for the fun challenge.

waseeley said...

IH @8:17AM The only reason I wanted to go to Lourdes was due to my life long love of geology and a desire to see the Pyrenees. Little did I suspect that the trip would change my life.

CanadianEh! said...

Testing Thursday. Thanks for the fun, Jeff and waseeley.
I started well, but like others, bogged down in the SE corner.
I found the DM combo, and finally Googled RUNDMC to confirm. CYLON was also forgotten, and it took a moment to get around the misdirection of MATH to enter ILL.
I did find the MATH, CHESS, GLEE clubs, but had PRESS instead of SKI (I should have realized that Press was not SANDWICHed!)

I echo waseeley about SWAM to the dock.
I answered I’m HERE, before perps changed it to IN HERE.
I thought of Mob rule before AS A.
We had a different Pop Duo today.

This Canadian has never heard of CONOCO (we do have Sunoco), but I am familiar with Canadian Margaret Atwood’s writings. Like AMANDA, Atwood is also a poet. Her poetry is quoted in Louise Penny’s Gamache series of books. (For SwampCat et al., I just finished reading Penny’s new release, The Madness of Crowds; a great read and very topical!)

We had AIRLESS and AUPAIR, SMELLY and AROMA THERAPY.

Wishing you all a great day.

Husker Gary said...

Musings
-GLEE finally gave me the gimmick. Kudos to those who got it without the reveal
-A local lumberyard couldn’t compete with the big box store and so now they have a thriving business building roof TRUSSES inside for shipment to construction sites
-CLUBS around school have QR codes on their posters so kids can get info quickly
-Astronauts fly where it is AIRLESS in a deadly not stuffy way
-ETS – The Jody Foster movie Contact is one I have watched many times
-If your ticket is in the student STANDS at an athletic contest, you will probably STAND for the entire game
-If I have a question about a medical measurement, I could cc C.C. in on a note about cc’s
-FORE! It’s my third time this week which is the agreed upon weekly max I have with my lovely bride.

Ray - O - Sunshine said...

Lotsa problems with this one...(Yeah, Yeah I'm a sourpuss cuz 😡 I FIW, a Thursday puzzle, had RUNDMS crossed with SYLON, knew neither). Hats off to those who parsed the theme!!. A "squirt" to me is a kid, like a "tyke". A TWERP can be any age. I put "strut" for the bridge clue...

Three first daughters: Jenna, Sasha, MALIA....CIO settled that. EGEST appears just rarely enough so I always forget it. Got Jessica RABBIT quickly when someone mentioned her a few puzzles ago. Thought exobiology was science class on ZOOM. Where I come from it's a CLUB sangwidge.

Elbow pasta (Italian "gomito" GOH' mee toh, gomiti, plural) Cosí finisce la lezione d'italiano di oggi.

One inkover: strut/TRUSS. I should be able to eat as many Doughnut HOLES as I want. Zero calories.

Bill: the Mediterranean stereotype...We all have black hair..I went from blond to brown to white..

Some say AROMATHERAPY works, others say it stinks. (SMELLY)...."Lengthy Account": what follows when DW says, "But to make a long story short..."

Carrying a fancy handbag or sweating....Perspicacious
Fake nails sets....PRESSKITS
Take in a musical instrument store heist...LOOT
Gets acne again...RESISTS.

Waz and Owen Kl... I was VP (TWERP) of my HS math class...1966-67. One project was learning how to use a slide rule. There was a giant 4 foot long slide rule we used to demonstrate. (about as useful as an abacus today)

Anonymous T said...

'SUP Puzzle-PEOPLE!

Thanks Jeff for the puzzle. A bit much ferin' fill [Spanish, French, whatever 52a's clue was :-)] but perps were kind.

Waseeley - extensive expo but you missed the obvious(?!?). CLUB SANDWICH [Mitch]
Thanks for pointing out the theme... That whoosh you heard was it going right over my head.

WOs: hear -> OBEY, thought about Otoe at CREE (and ink'd the O), TENaT (I still get that wrong).
ESPs: CUESTA, AMANDA, WITCHES SABBATH
Fav: COTS for FEMA. It has two meanings - beds or Commercial, Off-The-Shelf supplies to be deployed ASAP.
//Y'all familiar with the Waffle House Index FEMA uses?

Runner-Up: I have a Splunk Tee that says "Run DMC [distributed management console] and make it less tricky." It's a nerd-rap-pun. //'cuz, see, Tricky is a RUN DMC song and... oh, never mind.

{B, B+, A-}

I don't think we had a math club either, OKL. In HS was in the CHESS club and the Physics Club. I did compete in Math at the Science Fair. Got a ribbon in the State (Louisiana) competition for developing a formula (and software) that, given any number, will spit out YES NO it's a Fibonacci number.

Unclefred - did you also find it disconcerting that CYLON crossed HAN?
Different Sci-Fi franchises!

@8a Anon - I call my Girls Eldest & Youngest and there's only two.

Hair? My Uncle (we're Italian / Sicilian) had red hair (he's old now; it's grey). Eldest is blond but neither I nor DW (naturally) are. Same with (CEO) Bro's kids.
//come to think of it, Bro was blond until he was in his mid-20s.

Cheers, -T

Anonymous said...

AnonT, thanks, but shouldn't you call them Elder & Younger because there's only two?
The point I was trying to make: eldest is a superlative, while elder is a comparative.

Ironically, the link in the expo to "oldest" refers to Malia as "older".

Picard said...

Bill Seeley Thanks for asking if I was in the MATH CLUB. In Montgomery County Maryland we called it the MATH TEAM. Yes, I was on it! TEAM vs CLUB actually slowed me getting the CLUB theme.

After my first MATH TEAM competition, a team mate offered me a ride home. She asked where I lived and I told her. "Oh, I used to live there." It turned out they were the family we bought our house from. Small world!

Bill Seeley Regarding Greek hair color, I worked with two sisters who were first generation Greek immigrants. Both had very blond hair.

Here is a photo of our company beach party egg toss. The young woman at the left is the younger Greek sister Sophia with blond hair.

Had CRow before CREE and TubS before TOES. Anyone else?

Here is a railroad BRIDGE TRUSS structure at Gaviota State Beach.

I will be leading a hike starting there again on Saturday. All of the National Forest areas are closed due to fires, so this was the only place left to lead a hike with much elevation gain.

From Yesterday:
Bill Seeley, Spitzboov, Chairman Moe and Malodorous Manatee Thank you for the kind words about the photos with Malodorous Manatee. I very much appreciate the effort you and Valerie made to come visit us, Malodorous Manatee!

Lucina said...

Hola!

Thank you, Jeff Eddings, for a fine Thursday puzzle and thank you to Bill for an excellent expo and thank you for the CSO. Yes, Spanish is my first language which I spoke until going to school. My dad was a college graduate so he spoke excellent English as well as Spanish. Our ancestors were Spanish soldiers who settled in New Mexico, per one of my cousins who delves into genealogy.

I liked this puzzle for its use of real words and no gibberish. HAN Solo died? I had no idea.

During Lent we sometimes have a service in which the Litany of the Saints is recited with each side of the aisles reciting in alternate sequence. I love it.

CYLON? Thankfully perps filled it.

I had no idea what WITCHESSABBATH referred to. Again, thank you, Bill.

Learning moment that TARO is available in Africa. I, too, though only Hawaii and Southeast Asia had it.

Have a great rest of the day, everyone!

waseeley said...

HG @9:47 AM Foster was really great in Contact and the movie is pretty close to Sagan's novel. There is some really incredible stuff at the end though that can't be easily depicted in a movie.

waseeley said...

Ray - O @10:21 AM I fess up to posting the Jessica link earlier in the week. Just tryin' to help some of you old guys out with a preview of a coming attraction. 💃 But then this old guy can't remember the pretext!

waseeley said...

Picard @11:37 AM Some Northern Italians, e.g. Venetians, have blond hair due to the influence of Austria just across the border. Perhaps something similar has happened with the Greeks.

AnonymousPVX said...


Another bit of crunch in this Thursday grid.

Write-overs…IMHERE/INHERE, SUNOCO/CONOCO, UNA/UNO.

I can’t believe I dug up CYLONS from where ever…never watched that show.

“All Greeks have black hair” is just another untrue trope, we all have genes and no one knows or can predict how they will combine.

Have a good day, see you tomorrow.

OwenKL said...

I have a picture of two CYLONS for which I penned this short ditty:
Resistors are red,
Capacitors are blue
You have a socket,
I've a plug, so let's screw!

jfromvt said...

Once I got 60D - CCS, CLUBSANDWICH and the them became obvious. A little heavy on the Spanish, but all were easy. RUNDMC/CYCLON was a Natick IMO.

I’ve cancelled my paper delivery, so print out the Sudoku and Crossword most days. So far, so good. I would have kept the paper edition, but they (a Gannett paper) add $5-$10 each month for “special” Sunday inserts that cost them next to nothing and are just a ruse to generate more revenue.

Spitzboov said...

Hello everyone.

FIW today. Sigh. Had 9 bad squares mainly on the west coast; Got the reveal but translated it badly into the schtick itself. Waseeley explained how it should work. Kinda knew where the Bald Mountain thing was going but didn't execute it well.
Probably had my mind on a nuclear stress test at the local heart center today, Tracer has a half-life of 6.02 hrs. so I'll be "hot" for a couple days. (Tc99).

Big OPED piece in WSJ today entitled "Canadians Hate the Metric System." Seems that when potatoes are priced by the kg, it sounds rather expensive. By the lb., not so much. Written by a dual US-CAN citizenship guy from Loyola at NOLA. Thinks the market-place will ultimately take care of business. (Thought of CanEh! while reading it.)

Jinx in Norfolk said...

j - In my local paper those are just glorified special advertising sections. At first we were able to opt out, which I always did. They made it non-optional, then also stopped extending subscriptions for vacation suspensions (which we used a lot), and then they stopped extending the subscription for missed delivery. Bye bye delivery. I still subscribe to the online version for local content and for lesser puzzles.

Jayce said...

I liked this puzzle but didn't see the clubs until waseeley's terrific write-up. As for the Obama sisters, I put in -A--A and let the perps do the rest of the work.
HEED --> OBEY. IM HERE --> IN HERE.
Wasn't it George TENET who claimed "It's a slam dunk"?
The only CLUB I was ever in was a debate club, and I learned a lot from it.
Sorry, Picard, I had CREE and TOES right off the bat.
I think the Code 39 barcode is pretty cool.
Helen of Troy reminds me of Lemonade's "milliHelens" unit of beauty. (A one milliHelen woman is beautiful enough to launch one ship.)
SMELLY always makes me think of Phoebe in Friends.
Very neato about Niels Bohr's family crest.
I think LaoTzu is the source of the Tao Te Ching, not the I Ching.
Good wishes to you all.

waseeley said...

Jayce @6:39 PM ROTFL re "milliHelens"!

You're right about the I Ching. I used to use it to guide meditation and because of its use of yin/yang lines had just assumed that LaoTzu had written it. Here's the Wiki reference:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching

Anonymous T said...

Y'all remember when I said I was at OU two weekends ago to see Eldest sing?

It's online. Recital. [starts at 6:24 of 55m] Not a great production but she's got voice.

Jayce - SMELLY Cat.

Cheers, -T

CanadianEh! said...

Spitzboov- I found that OpEd. LOL Mr. Block must have lived too long out of the country. Most Canadians are quite used to using two systems of measurement. I buy my potatoes in 10 lb. bags (I must look to see if there is a metric 4.5 kg in the labelling🤔). My meat is priced both ways (and yes the larger print in the ads is the price/lb.). My gas is priced by the litre ( and I am aware that if I could cross the border and buy it in the USA, the gallon size would not be the same, nor would the value of my dollar). Our road speeds are marked in km/h. My DH has tools in metric and standard.
I think most Canadians are aware that we sit between the USA and the metric nations (our children are taught the metric) and since we are known to be accommodating, we adjust to both. Besides, the metric is so much easier to calculate.
We are also used to having our labels in French and English, and having metric and standard does not bother us. It is similar to being ambidextrous. But we are irked when they use metric rounding to downsize the package, but keep the same price!😮


AnonT- your Eldest (or Elder😁😁) has a beautiful voice. I will listen to the whole recital later, but the taste that I had was marvellous.

Anonymous T said...

C, Eh! Maybe then you'll understand the French in Eldest's music.
She had to sing in German (Spitz - whadshe say?), French, Italian, and English.

I know Bill likes opera so there he is.

I'll be real: It was like going to Latin Mass. No idea what they're saying [singing] but I knew when to sit, stand, & applaud and it was only 45 minutes :-)

As far as metric system goes - that's all we learned in EE. I had to take Thermodynamics and spent 1/2 my time converting to metric so I could solve the formulas. WTheck is a BTU? :-)

Cheers, -T

LEO III said...

FIR. My first fill was CLUBSANDWICH. (I always look at the theme and reveal clues first). Unfortunately, I was never able to figure out the how they fit together. Now that Bill has explained it to me, I’m kicking myself.

Had a few more unknowns, such as AMANDA, WITCHESSABBATH, CUESTA and CYLON. Perps got all of them. I had watched the original BATTLESTAR GALLACTICA when it was first on TV, but I couldn’t remember CYLON. I had killed THAT brain cell long ago. Yeah, ILL was my last fill, which saved the day.

The three-point line in basketball had been an on again/off again shtick for years. The American Basketball Association (ABA) used it, among other things, to differentiate itself from the NBA. (DEFENSE??? We don’t need no stinkin’ defense!!!)

The ABA/NBA merger occurred in 1976. I had season tickets for the San Antonio Spurs --- $3.00 per game in the nosebleed section opposite the foul line at HemisFair Arena --- one section over from the notorious Bleacher Bums. Got transferred halfway through the season, BUT since the schedule for the inaugural season had each of the other teams coming into each opposing city once during each half of the season, I got to see all the other teams one time.

The NBA finally adopted the three-point field goal in 1979.

I no longer like any professional basketball, and I only MIGHT pay attention to college basketball during the NCAA tournament --- especially if Turtle U is in it. (We won it all in 2002!)

Lucina said...

Anon-T:
What a gorgeous voice! Like you, I don't understand the words but the quality is superb!

Michael said...

- T @ 8:57: Yep, definite PIPES!