Theme: WISECRACK (62. Snappy remark, and a feature of four long answers in this puzzle)
18. No matter the outcome: WIN OR LOSE.
25. Pairing at a cocktail party: WINE AND CHEESE.
38. Presidential warm-weather getaway: WINTER WHITE HOUSE.
49. Peripheral with a dongle: WIRELESS MOUSE.
C.C. here, filling in a blogging gap.
Today we have a 16x15 grid due to the central theme letter count (16). Patti allows bigger grids if the theme warrants it.
Consistently WI* *SE break. Pretty much a must for this type of book-ending theme. Either all different or all the same.
Across:
5. Superhero accessory: CAPE.
9. Bar food?: SALAD. OK, salad bar. Do you like green papaya salad?
14. Got rid of: AXED.
15. Smell: ODOR. If you can't stand fish sauce, then you won't like the above salad or most Thai food.
16. Overacts: EMOTES.
20. San Francisco-to-Salt Lake City interstate: EIGHTY.
21. Pig's digs: STY.
22. Make yawn: BORE.
23. Fingers: IDS.
24. Actor Cariou: LEN.
28. Nevada whose mystery novels are set in national parks: BARR.
31. Udon alternative: SOBA. Often eaten cold. The sauce is the key.
32. Trivial objection: NIT.
33. Irrefutable statement: TRUISM.
36. Greens over: RE-SODS. Boomer's Asiatic lilies came alive again. Made me so happy.
43. Stew: SEETHE.
44. Chestnut horse: SORREL.
45. "And there you go!": BAM.
46. Photoreceptor cell: CONE.
48. Jeans line: SEAM.
54. Spanish "that": ESO. 56. "¿Qué __?": PASA.
55. Minecraft material: ORE.
57. One in a zillion?: ZEE. In the letter zillion.
60. Shape on a bingo card: SQUARE.
64. Toyota full-size pickup: TUNDRA. 67. Unsuccessful Ford: EDSEL.
65. Diva's time to shine: ARIA.
66. At some point in the past: ONCE.
68. Costner's "The Untouchables" role: NESS.
69. Went green?: DYED. This looks cool.
Down:
2. Stage direction: EXIT.
3. Publicist's recommendation, perhaps: DENY.
4. Unmarried person's last words: I DO.
5. Subtitle intro: COLON.
6. Dig a lot: ADORE.
7. Pretend to be: POSE AS. 52. "__ directed": USE AS. Tiny dupe. Allowed.
8. Bardly before: ERE.
9. Some pods: SEEDCASES.
10. Sect that adheres to Ordnung: AMISH. I did not know the meaning of "ordnung", German for "order", according to Wikipedia.
11. Piece of firewood: LOG.
12. Style that includes designer yoga pants: ATHLEISURE. Lululemon style.
13. More than loathe: DETEST.
17. "Auld Lang __": SYNE.
19. Stat for a slugger: RBI.
23. "Seems highly likely": I'D BET. And
25. "Keep in touch!": WRITE ME.
26. Sushi wrapper: NORI. My grandma liked nori soup.
27. Back: ENDORSE.
28. "Speaking of which," briefly: BTW.
29. MSNBC host Melber: ARI.
30. Chases a toddler, say: RUNS AROUND.
34. "Catch my drift?": SEE.
35. Onetime breakfast option marketed by a 1980s TV icon: MR. T CEREAL. Never knew this.
37. "There it is!": OHO.
39. "__ side are you on?": WHOSE.
40. Farm layers: HENS.
41. Neptune's domain: SEA.
42. Tree with serrated leaves: ELM.
45. Langoustine soup: BISQUE.
47. Red Delicious kin: EMPIRE. So glad the peach/nectarine/watermelon season has started. Tired of apples.
49. Dominic of "The Crown": WEST.
50. "Casablanca" actor Peter: LORRE.
51. Spot for a much-needed drink, perhaps: OASIS.
53. Cul-de-__: SAC.
57. Amusingly unconventional: ZANY.
58. "Behold!" of old: ECCE.
59. __ out a living: EKED.
61. App annoyances: ADS.
62. Pallid: WAN.
63. Photoreceptor cell: ROD.
Jazzbumpa is taking sometime off the blog. Splynter will take over the Wednesdays in the next few weeks. Anon-T (Tony) will guide us on Tuesdays while Hahtoolah is on vacation. Thank you, my two sweet friends.
C.C.
36 comments:
Good morning!)
Threw down LUKE immediately at 1a. (Have I ever mentioned...?) After WIN OR LOSE and WINE AND CHEESE, I was sure we were looking for a set of three-word themers. D'oh. Noticed the CONE/ROD pairing. Thought a warm weather presidential getaway would be a SUMMER WHITEHOUSE. Nothing too tough in this one; Joe threw us a softball. Thanx for filling in, C.C.
FIR, but erased lou for LEN, comma for COLON, and id say for ID BET.
Today is:
NATIONAL VEGGIE BURGER DAY (not. on. my. watch.)
GLOBAL RUNNING DAY (some say that veggie burgers cause one to run…)
NATIONAL MOONSHINE DAY (perfect antidote to veggie burgers)
NATIONAL GINGERBREAD DAY (to chase the taste of veggie burgers)
NATIONAL KETCHUP DAY (only on top of mom’s meatloaf. I’ll have mustard on my fries, please)
NATIONAL START OVER DAY (Bill Murray’s favorite day)
The only WINTER WHITE HOUSE I'm familiar with is the one in Key West.
Is BARDLY a real word, or constructor's license? Either way, I like it.
IS ATHLEISURE a real word? And how did Joe Deeney know it?
If you are old enough to say WRITE ME and old enough to know ECCE, you are too old to wear ATHLEISURE.
I've never owned a pickup, but I once owned a Sequoia, built on the fabulous TUNDRA chassis.
How many milliseconds did MR T CEREAL last in the market?
I am continually amazed by the number of apple varieties. Never had one I didn't like.
Thanks to Joe for the fun midweek puzzle, and to CC for picking up the slack.
Well, it wasn’t the
easiest puzzle in the world, that’s for sure. For one thing, I had no idea what a “dongle” was. For another thing, I never heard of “Mr. T Cereal.” These and a few other obscurities kept things interesting . But the reveal was satisfying, as was finally solving this challenging puzzle. FIR, so I’m happy.
(P.S. “Forgot” to post until just now! Sorry about that!)
WI th little hesitation, this took 7:07 today for me to clo SE.
I didn't know either of the back-to-back actors (West then Lorre), and I didn't know today's writer (Barr), though I do love national parks. I wasn't sure of the last letter in today's Spanish lesson or any letters of whatever "ecce" is.
Thanks for pinch-hitting, CC, and for the revised lineup.
Hey, no circles!
Anon @ 6:53, ECCE homo (behold the man) is a fairly famous (meaning even my dumb mass knew it) quote from the Gospel According to John. Said by Pontius Pilate when he presented the bound and thorn-crowned Jesus to a hostile crowd shortly before His crucifixion.
Good morning and special thanks to those who have welcomed me back to the blog. I now have a 55" monitor and can make the blog large enough for me to read the clues, for which I am very grateful. I missed this start to my day though my solving skills have faded.
Since Joe Deeney has specialized in Saturday themeless puzzles, I was surprised at this very doable Wednesday. Athleisure was an inferable portmanteau and ECCE is just the Latin word for behold so it was not a bumpy ride.
JzB enjoy all your grandchildren and your impressive WORDLE skills and Splynter it is good that you are here.
Be well all
This was a straightforward but amusing puzzle with all the WI...SE answers
ECCE is the latin for behold and is often linked with homo for man in the phrase "ECCE homo" which are the words of Pontius Pilate to the rowdy mob after Jesus has been whipped and a crown of thorns put on his head. In art he often also has the purple cape draped as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecce_homo
ATHLEISURE is a portmanteau of Athletic Leisure wear or clothes. I would pretty much live in these clothes if I could. The Gap stores have a subset of stores focused on this called Athleta. There is one near my 92 year old mom and I get their pants for my mom - easy to change, comfortable and they have pockets, but have some style
I had shade before OASIS,
I live near Amish and Old order Mennonite communities so had heard of ordnung
Thanks CC for blogging today and Joe for the fun puzzle!
sorry for the repeat info on ECCE - I think Jinx and Lemonade and I were all typing at the same time!
FIR. This Wednesday puzzle had quite a bit of bite to it. I started off badly by throwing down Luke at 1A, and found myself staring at a mystery NW area. And proper names again, crossing like Barr and Ari, are not fair.
I missed the theme idea of splitting wise, but that didn't hurt me. And I still don't get deny as a publicist's recommendation.
But I finished, so there's that.
Thank you Joe for a wonderful Wednesday wander thru the crossword world. Didn't use the theme to assist in the solve, but was WISE to it when revealed.
And thank you C.C. for pinch-hitting for our favorite trumpeter.
A few favs:
1A JEDI. This fill right away I did get. I didn't fall into the LUKE trap by checking 1D, which had to be JAWS.
5A CAPE. Not all superheroes -- frinstance Yoda and the JEDI knights.
9A SALAD. Clever clue. Your pic looked so delicious C.C. that I looked up a recipe.
36A RESODS. Beautiful and inspiring picture. You and Boomer will meet again someday C.C.
48A SEAM. This one had me in stitches.
64A TUNDRA. We've always had pickups, the latest being a FORD 150. We gave it to our son last year because the insurance costs weren't worth keeping it. Now, every time I have to borrow it back I remember how useful they are!
68A NESS. Capone thought he was a monster.
10D AMISH. In some sense they are like a religious order (ORDNUNG).
35D MRTCEREAL. Knew MR T, but not his cereal, but perps rule.
57D ZANY. The SSW was the last to fall, and I didn't get it until I realized that 57A was a meta. EN fit the clue, but didn't fit the space. 58D ECCE was part of Pilate's words to the crowd to help Jesus avoid the cross. But in the end, with the washing of his hands he let it happen anyway.
Cheers,
Bill
Good Morning:
Seems it's been a while since we've heard from Joe but it's always a pleasure to solve his offerings. Today's was a perfect Wednesday level of difficulty, with enough kind perps to smooth the edges. The only truly unknown was Mr. T Cereal, which sounds about as enticing as castor oil. I saw the WI /SE split early on but the reveal was unexpected and spot on. I liked the clecho cluing for the Rod/Cone duo, as well as the duos of See/Sea and IDs/I Do. Joe gave us some cute cluing and some fresh fill along with those solid themers. Perhaps Joe's own toddler sparked 30D C/A?
Thanks, Joe, for a fun Wednesday outing and thanks, CC, for wearing two hats, once again. Loved all the yummy food photos and Boomer's beautiful lilies. Thanks, also, for the update on the blogging schedule, your third hat!
Lemonade @ 7:44 ~ It's nice to have you back and I'm glad that your new monitor is allowing you to enjoy solving and participating in the blog once again. When you have a chance, I'd love to see any recent photos of Charlotte, Harper, and Owen, all three probably looking so grown up.
Have a great day.
Last fall my daughter Karen, my son Jim ("Arizona Jim"), and I were on the bullet train in France. Jim had brought along some New York Times and International Herald Tribunes to work on the crosswords.
It was there that Jim passed along to me a crossword hint that often works: start at or near the bottom (where the reveal is often lurking). Today's puzzle serves as a good example.
The SE was not particularly challenging, and I soon came up with WISECRACK. So it looked like in the long theme words, Joe had split (cracked) the word WISE into either W____ISE or maybe WI____SE. After some work, it was clear that the latter was what I was looking for.
The NE was probably my most challenging district. As an example, two of my weakest areas are probably fashion and yoga. And 12D covered both areas! Perps saved the day, including Robbie Burns and the Scottish language!
Some random observations:
--Is this a pangram? I noticed a J, Q, X, and Z. So Joe must be close.
--Two days in a row we've had an ARI. A different Ari today.
--Many clues that one might have assumed to be nouns were actually verbs, such as fingers, stew, back, and my favorite, farrm layers.
--We talk about help from perps. So as an adjective, is this perpal help? Perpic help?i think I prefer perpic, because perpal sounds like a color.
--Joe is so talented he turned Shakespeare into an adverb! (Bardly before)
Joe, you provided us a midweek exercise that was enjoyable, creative, challenging, and in the end satisfying. I hope a return engagement is in the works.
Being married to Thai woman who is a chef I do want to post a recipe so the adventurous may try this special dish. The recipe https://www.eatingthaifood.com/thai-green-papaya-salad-recipe/. We have planted a papaya tree in the front yard and it is providing perfect green papaya.
Managed to FIR, but it was kind of a struggle for me. The clues were just a tad out of my wheelhouse, and I never got the theme until CC 'splained it! D'oh! That said, it wasn't a bad way to spend some time, although MRTCEREAL has got to be about as obscure as you can get!
Publicist 's recommendatiin: DENY everything. ADMIT nothing
Musings
-After blogging so many of Joe’s Saturday puzzles, I expected a fun solve and I got it.
-My ideal puzzle is not a sprint but a stroll where fill and cluing require some cogitation
-FDR suffered a stroke and died at his WINTER WHITE HOUSE in Warm Springs, GA while sitting for a portrait. His girlfriend Lucy Rutherford was there at that time and Eleanor was not.
-ODOR is so different from scent, fragrance and aroma
-I-80 follows the Platte River for 2/3 of the way across Nebraska
-Seeing Boomer’s Asiatic Lilies makes me happy too, C.C.
-My new MacBook left off many ports and so I had to buy this DONGLE
-My very conservative “America First” friend is proud of his Toyota TUNDRA
-DYED hair and fake fingernails are fine until they grow out and are left untended
-Subtitles were very helpful watching Downton Abbey and The Crown
-Finding MR T CEREAL must have been a real help to Joe
-Yada, yada BISQUE
-What Irish said, AGAIN!
BAM! Another fun one done. The reveal at 62 across gave me the WI in WINTER; like desper-otto, I was looking for the wrong season or location. I like it when the reveal helps with the solve.
DNK the mystery writer, the Ordnung, the breakfast cereal, the EMPIRE apple, or Mr. BARR (although I enjoyed the show). Was a little worried where BARR and ARI crossed, but perps were fair.
Jinx @ 5:34 AM, thank you for letting us know about National Veggie Burger Day! Maybe I'll defrost a couple of Impossible Burgers. They're delicious!
Many thanks to Joe for an excellent puzzle, to Patti for editing, and to C.C. for blogging.
Whoops! Should have said I DNK Nevada BARR, nor Dominic WEST, although I enjoyed The Crown. I rarely take note of actors' names.
Enjoyed the WISE CRACK theme, which definitely helped with the solve. WESTERN WHITE HOUSE did not fit the squares or the theme. AHA before OHO.
KS I agree that BARR/ARI as clued was unfair and unnecessary. Could have been BURR/URI unless you know those names. Which I don't. WAG to FIR.
Merlie and I were privileged to see Al Stewart perform The Year of the Cat. Which starts out with a line about PETER LORRE in CASABLANCA.
I was grateful this theater let me make this bootleg video. So many places and/or artists now are nasty about even taking a photo, let alone making a long video of an entire song! Al Stewart was just delightful.
The keyboard player started out with a humorous riff of the CASABLANCA theme song. Then at around 1:45 Al Stewart started that line with PETER LORRE. Below are full lyrics of that opening verse. Every time I am in a foreign land this verse runs through my head. Anyone else?
===
On a morning from a Bogart movie
In a country where they turn back time
You go strolling through the crowd like PETER LORRE
Contemplating a crime
She comes out of the sun in a silk dress running
Like a watercolor in the rain
Don't bother asking for explanations
She'll just tell you that she came
In the year of the cat
No WISECRACKs from me today. I didn't really pay attention to the WE-SE because I was trying to finish. Finally completed the BARR, ARI, MR. T. CEREAL, WINTER, TRUISM area. Barr and the cereal were unknowns. "I pity the fool" who didn't FIR today. Uh oh, that's a wisecrack. Sorry.
SOUTHERN and WESTERN wouldn't fit. There's a WINTER PALACE in Russia but I've never heard of a WINTER WHITEHOUSE. FDR spent winters in GA with his girlfriend(s).
AMISH was a WAG. WEST was all perps.
RE-SODS- I did that for my back yard and parts of my front yard a couple of months ago. Chinch bugs, mole crickets, and the extremely dry weather last summer turned large areas to bare ground. Three pallets and a wheelbarrow over three days.
Tehachapi Ken-" start at or near the bottom (where the reveal is often lurking)." That makes the puzzles too easy; I try to never look at a reveal clue for a unifier.
PS:
CC Yes, Merlie and I both love Papaya SALAD!
It took a while to change Summer to WINTER. I visited Truman’s WINTER WHITE HOUSE in Key West.
Several names were unfamiliar but perps were kind. This morning we have another ARI, not Shapiro this time but Melber, unknown to me.
Last night I wasn’t very hungry so I dined on WINE AND CHEESE, with an apple, though a Gala, not an EMPIRE.
Sub-Genius , how could you forget?
Thank you C.C. for the recap and food photos.
Thanks for filling in CC. Nice to hear from Lemonade. Got a kick out of unmarried person's last words. Didn't get the theme until CC "splained" it. GC
Hola!
Thank you to the clever Joe Deeney whom we haven't seen in a while. It's so much fun to solve a puzzle that sizzles and this one does.
I haven't thought of Nevada BARR in years and can't recall the last time I read one of her books. I was still going out to the swimming pool to read so that was a very long time ago.
When my great-grandson is here I spend a lot of time chasing after him so RUN AROUND makes sense to me. However, I've never heard of MR T CEREAL and never knew it existed.
One of my friends lives on SORREL Drive.
Every city in southern Arizona could be considered an OASIS since we are surrounded by desert.
I love watching Peter LORRE. He has such an expressive face and he really EMOTES in Casablanca. Just thinking about the scene where he finds the gambling makes me laugh.
I hope Jazzbumpa enjoys his respite and welcome back, Lemonade. I'm so happy for you that you have a way to see better.
Have a wonderful Wednesday, everyone!
I went right after that presidential getaway and noticed the puzzle’s 16x15 configuration immediately. I realized quickly that Camp David, Maryland wouldn’t fit in any way, but Warm Springs, Georgia was also too long.
I was already on C.C.’s wavelength. The season’s first heat wave in NorCal has opened up the buds on our Lilies-of-the-Nile, which I usually call by their proper name, agapanthus. I think of them as light blue, but they’re really purple, of course. They dominate our landscapes in June/July, but seldom both. We need them more in July.
Hand up for Luke before JEDI.
As others are saying, I’d never heard of Mr T Cereal, but then I was in my 30s when it came out, and I was never much for gimmick cereals anyhow. As a child I enjoyed, as you might expect, the Chex Press on the back of boxes of Ralston’s cereals. I also didn’t know Ordnung, BARR as clued, and WEST as clued.
I did know Peter LORRE and am dismayed that anyone in our age demographic didn’t. I first really noticed him in 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea.I like to imitate both Lorre and that film’s Captain Nemo, James Mason. He also played a villain in The Maltese Falcon. As our Malodorous Manatee undoubtedly knows, Firesign Theatre had a Lorre imitator (Phil Proctor) on one of its most famous albums, voicing a character named Rocky Rococo. It appears, by the way, that The Big Bang Theory producer Chuck Lorre is NOT related to Peter.
I repeat: I’ve never heard a Spanish speaker say “que pasa.” Their idiom is “que paso,” with the accent on the o, which translates more like “what’s been happening?” To put this another way, Chong would say “que pasa.” Cheech would say “que paso.”
EMPIRE apples threw me for a while. I can’t say all apples are equal. I’m a big fan of Pink Lady apples, which are seldom insipid or caky. By this time of year, the best ones are imported from Chile.
Tehachapi Ken: I’d have to go with perpal.
I’m with H.G. about enjoying a stroll through a puzzle like today’s. My eyes don’t jump around from grid to clues and back as quickly as they used to, so I don’t try for speed, except on some Mondays.
For me this was a bit of a challenge, with many DNKs, mostly those already mentioned by others. SE was tough, DNK ECCE, and the "N" at ZANY/ONCE crossing took forever to occur to me. JEDI took a while too. Not HAN, not LIEA, hmmmm. Finally JAWS dropped, then IDO, and finally JEDI occurred to me. Eventually did FIR, but took almost 20 minutes. Thanx JD for this challenging Wednesday CW. ROD and CONE came easy, with all my eye problems.... C.C., thanx for filling in and for the nice write-up.
Not crunchy, just normal Wed, fare.
WEST, BARR, TUNDRA pickup, and MR T cereal were new to me, but easily filled.
My ex was a big fan of Peter Lorre and other horror movie icons. I watched all the movies he liked, but I watched movies alone if they were not his cup of tea.
Growing up in an Amish area, I knew ORDNUNG. I also read Amish novels.
I wondered about winter white house at first, but it is always in a warm weather location.
I tried an Impossible burger once, not knowing it was vegan. Meh! I won't try it twice.
I like cold soba noodles in dipping sauce.
Athleisure is a popular trademark.
I very seldom agree that fill is made up by the constructor, except for punny themes. This time I think BARDLY is not legit. Can anyone justify it. I can't find any examples.
Welcome back, Lemonade. You were missed. I'm so glad you can join us again.
Clever Wednesday puzzle, many thanks, Joe. Also, thank you for filling in, C.C., and giving us your helpful commentary with neat pictures. And Lemonade, it's nice having you back.
As soon as I saw SALAD, I hoped we'd get some food in this puzzle, and we did. After having some CEREAL we got some BISQUE along with WINE AND CHEESE and a SALAD. Not a bad lunch.
But there was also a real downside here, with DENY, DETEST, SEETHE, EXIT, and WISE CRACK, which is unlikely to cheer us up. But I suppose we were also encouraged to ADORE and ENDORSE, so I wouldn't mind having the constructor WRITE ME.
I think I'm ready for that lunch now.
Have a great day, everybody.
Wonderful Wednesday. Thanks for the fun, Joe and C.C.
I FIRed and just remembered to look for the split WI. . SE theme before coming here.
Almost a pangram, but I can’t find a K or a V.
Hand up for Summer before WINTER.
I debated between A or U but ARI decided BARR.
Parsing was required for MR T CEREAL
T Ken- this Canadian immediately omitted the U in ODOR, and entered ZEE and not ZED. Sigh! The compromises we make!
Like YR, I knew ORDNUNG from Amish novels, particularly the Kate Burkholder series by Linda Castillo.
Wishing you all a great day.
Yellowrocks: I agree with you about "bardly." As I said a few days ago, it's too much like some of the icky wording that has cropped up as clues on Jeopardy!
I've been teaching Shakespeare as drama and as literature for years, and I find bardly so ludicrous and unexpected I really like it. Moreover, the bard himself did so many outrageous things to the language, I'm confident he would give it a thumb's up.
Puzzling thought:
FIR - thanks Joe and C.C.
I have always liked Joe Deeney's puzzles and would have liked his today were it not for the glaringly obvious "Patti-isms" sprinkled throughout it. Examples of that include:
- the aforementioned "Bardly";
- Diva's time to shine: ARIA (the diva's time is while singing the ARIA, not the ARIA itself);
- Dominic of "The Crown": WEST (pick some actor in some show);
- "Casablanca" actor Peter: LORRE (pick some actor in some show again);
and the paraphrases:
- "And there you go!": BAM;
- "Seems highly likely": I'D BET;
- "Keep in touch!": WRITE ME;
- "Speaking of which," briefly: BTW;
- "Catch my drift?": SEE;
- "There it is!": OHO.
Best wishes to you all.
I'm not sure how you could identify so many clues as Patti's. But I just want to discuss the first, Bardly, clearly referring to Shakespeare.
I taught Shakespeare for decades, and marvelled at his skill in making up words. So many that quite a few are still being used four hundred years later. In fact it is difficult to read or say a sentence today that doesn't have a word or two invented by Shakespeare.
My Shakespeare Lexicon goes 1500 pages, and a fair proportion of those words are ones he made up. The reaction of many of his peers, though, in inventing them was negative.
I marvel at whoever invented Bardly. It is unexpected, funny, borderline outrageous, and may be around for hundreds of years.
Hi All!
Count me in as one who enjoyed Bardly. DW is PhD in English Lit and she enjoyed the wordplay too.
WOs: aHa -> OHO, WHich -> WHOSE, SORREL
ESPs: BARR | ARI (lucky guess), names other than LORRE
Fav: MR T CEREAL. My (CEO) bro begged (now ex) step mom for that 'cuz the A-Team was the coolest thing for a 12yro. It was made by Quaker (AMISH?) so, um, nutrition(ish).
Lem - so glad your new 55" monitor (does that thing hang on a wall or sit on an industrial reinforced desk? :-)) lets you enjoy your morning and play with us again.
I enjoyed reading everyone today! Thanks for my mini-breaks.
Cheers, -T
Anyone who can fit mr t cereal into a puzzle is a genius. But the crossing of soba with nori surely did me in. Steve
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