Oct 9, 2009

Friday October 9, 2009 Dan Naddor

Theme: Go Back - Go is attached to the end of a familiar two-word phrase/name.

16A. Tropical fruit that grows underground?: CAVE MAN(GO). Caveman. Mango is tropical fruit. Funny entry. Reminds me of two GEICO cavemen in a restaurant commercial. One told the waiter, "I'll have the roast duck and the MANGO salsa". The other caveman said, "I don't have much of an appetite, thank you."

21A. Church game played with cans and bottles?: RECYCLE BIN(GO). Recycle bin. Do dump out the extra liquid in your cans/bottles before you put them in the recycle/recycling bin.

37. Italian cheese from the Florida Keys?: SOUTHEAST ASIA(GO). Southeast Asia. Florida Keys are a chain of small islands off the coast of southeast US. Asiago cheese is named after the Italian town Asiago where it originated.

44A. Fled what was once Zaire?: ESCAPED CON(GO). Escaped con. Congo was called Zaire between 1971 to 1997.

57A. Jargon of ancient Yucat√°n?: MAYA LIN(GO). Maya Lin. Best known for designing the Vietnam Memorial. I suspect this is the seed entry. Or perhaps CAVE MANGO.

Today's Dan Naddor Index (total non-theme entries with 6 or more letters) is 15, higher than the previous weeks'. Plus the 5 theme answers, a total of 20 entries with 6 or more letters, Dan's own standard.

Very clever theme. Again, I worked the puzzle from bottom up. Got MAYA LINGO immediately, then ESCAPED CONGO, then I filled in all GO's at the end of each theme entry.

Had to look at the cheat sheet for the middle-right edge of the grid. Huge trouble with RIG, BAAL & T. S. GARP.


5. Run in a traffic jam?: IDLE. Nice clue.

9. "__ fan tutte": Mozart opera: COSI. Literally "so"/"thus" in Italian. fan = do, tutte = feminine form for "all". Cosi fan tutte = "Thus do all (women)". I just forgot. It appeared in Jerome's puzzle last time.

14. Aquarium clapper: SEAL

15. Be silent, in music: TACET (TAH-ket). No idea. Same root as tacit.

18. Autobahn autos: OPELS. It does not belong to GM any more, does it?

19. Exceeded, as a budget: OVERRAN

20. Ankle-swelling cause: SPRAIN. I am prone to ankle sprain, esp after some drinks.

24. Workout unit: REP (Repetition)

28. Not away: IN TOWN

32. Michigan college town: ANN ARBOR. The University of Michigan.

39. Snobs: ELITISTS

40. Fictional author of "The World According to Bensenhaver": T. S. GARP. The character in John Irving's "The World According to Garp". T. S. stands Technical Sergeant. Stumped me.

41. Spot to get off: STAIN. Get the STAIN off. Had problem understanding the clue properly.

43. Grant opponent: LEE (R.E.)

51. Body shop offering: LOANER

52. SWAT team supply: TEAR GAS. Pittsburgh police just used TEAR GAS during the G20 Summit. Surreal.

56. Jet trail: VAPOR

59. Nanos and minis: IPODS. Both Nano and Mini are iPod models. Mine is Classic, so is Melissa Bee's.

60. Drive the getaway car for, say: ABET

61. Prefix with dollar: EURO. Eurodollar is U.S. dollar deposited in a European bank.

62. Last word sung with champagne in hand: SYNE. "Auld Lang SYNE", sung on New Year's Eve.

63. Presidential power: VETO. Governor has the VETO power too.

64. Future J.D.'s hurdle: LSAT (Law School Admission Test). Should be a gimme for our J.D. now.


2. Patron saint of Norway: OLAV. Always have to wobble between OLAF and OLAV.

3. Like glowing coals: LIVE. I kind of like fake fireplace. Clean.

4. Hall of Fame second baseman Bobby: DOERR. Got his name from Across fill. Wikipedia says he played his entire season with the Red Sox.

5. Stern with a bow: ISAAC

6. Chain that serves the Grand Slam breakfast: DENNY'S

8. "Strange Magic" band: ELO. What other 3-letter band can you think of?

9. Bay of Naples isle: CAPRI. Capri pants got its name from this isle.

10. Continental divide?: OCEAN. Another great clue.

11. Baseball commissioner since the '90s: SELIG (Bud). He'll stay as commissioner until at least 2012. Boo! Hate him. He used to own the Milwaukee Brewers.

12. "__ big deal": ITS NO

15. Military higher-ups: TOP BRASS

17. G.I. ration: MRE (Meal Ready to Eat)

20. Witnessed visiting: SEEN AT. He was witnessed visiting his ex-girlfriend. He was SEEN AT
his ex-girlfriend' house? I don't know. Can't equate the two grammatically. Maybe you can give me a better example.

22. Enduring opus: CLASSIC

23. Navel buildup: LINT

24. Bailiff's request: RISE. OYEZ is "Bailiff's request" too, correct?

25. Compound containing a hydroxl group: ENOL

26. Spitting sound: PTUI. Man, he's back again.

29. Giant great who wore #4: OTT (Mel). Ah, the #4 giant of the moment belongs to Brett Favre. It's his 40th birthday tomorrow.

30. Library volumes?: WHISPERS. Clever clue.

31. Avian homemaker: NESTER

33. Hook (up): RIG. Why? I wanted TIE.

34. False god: BAAL. The Semitic "False god". Mine was IDOL.

35. Brute: OGRE

36. Weapon in Clue: ROPE. Have yet to play this game.

38. Hardly at all: A TAD

42. "When I'm ready": NOT YET. I've developed a fondness for multiple words now. Like them better than long single words. Clear Ayes used to prefer the latter, maybe she still does.

44. The King: ELVIS. Saw several lovely ELVIS candy tins at the flea market this summer.

46. Food fowl: CAPON. Maybe Jeannie can give us another recipe. I'll try her marinated salmon on Saturday. Have never used orange juice in cooking before.

47. Battery terminal: ANODE

48. "Peachy keen!": NEATO

49. "For Me and My __": GAL. Judy Garland/Gene Kelly musical.

50. Bay window: ORIEL (AWR-ee-uhl). Like this window, jutting out from the wall.

53. Wildebeests: GNUS

54. Indian mausoleum city: AGRA. Taj Mahal.

55. Flue coat: SOOT

57. Dallas cager, briefly: MAV (Mavericks). And with a maverick owner Mark Cuban, who was all gaga over Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead".

58. He's next to Teddy on Mount Rushmore: ABE

Answer grid.

Picture of the Day: Here is a recent photo of our fellow solver PJB-Chicago at work. Looks like it's taken from a cell phone. This one is the pregnant picture he mentioned on the blog the other day. It's taken 7 years ago at his admin's baby shower. He said both men and women were invited and the invitation said "Dress pregnant" so "I stuffed a couch pillow under my shirt. The lady to my left was another admin, a fireball & a whipsmart bundle of energy. She didn't "dress pregnant" so I'm the chunky one here. Now, my hair is thinner and grayer, & the face more lined. My eyeglasses are not as loud."



Martin said...

Prefix with dollar: EURO. Eurodollar is U.S. dollar deposited in a European bank.

Um, no, EURO is short for Eurodollar or European Dollar. It was originally supposed to be on par with the American dollar but then it dropped in value and then it was briefly on par again about a couple of years ago and now I think it's worth about a dollar fifty or so.


Martin said...

Oh, I forgot to mention: C.C. asked me to set a blog of my own (which I called "Martin's Blog"). The name "Martin's Blog" is apparently taken by somebody else so you have to go to to see it. Anyway, this will make it possible for me to comment on the daily puzzles before C.C. has had a chance to do hers.


Hahtoolah said...

Good Morning, C.C. Your commentary is as fun to read as the puzzle is to complete. This was a fun puzzle to end the week, albeit, just a tad too easy. The theme was fun and there were some really punny clues.

I especially liked:
Stern with a bow (5D): ISAAC. Of course my first thought was something ship related.

Continental Divide (10D): OCEAN and Library Volumes (30D): WHISPERS were other good clues.

Maya Lin (go), as you noted is most well known for designing the Vietnam Memorial. She was only 21 when she was awarded that commission. She turned 50 last monday (October).

Your comment about the LSAT and that "our J.D." should know this now. Ironically, the degree that one earns after completing law school is a JD (Juris Doctor).

QOD: A difference, to be a difference, must make a difference ~ found in a fortune cookie.

Anonymous said...

CC - 19 across is overran, not overan and 6 down is Dennys, not Dannys

Barry G. said...

Morning, all!

Relatively challenging puzzle today. Once I got the theme I was able to add GO to the back of all the remaining theme answers, though, and that helped a bit.

Two big stumbling blocks were when I put IDOL for BAAL and AT HOME for IN TOWN. Both had one correct letter which had me convinced they were right, and it took awhile to see the error of my ways. I also had AUDIS for OPELS for awhile, but I wasn't particularly committed to it and therefore it didn't take long for me to fix it.

I don't think there were any real unknowns for me today, although I'll admit to staring at MAYALINGO for awhile thinking, "What the heck is a MAYALIN? Is it related to a violin or a mandolin?"

Gonna go put my leg back up 'cuz it's hurting again. Have a great one!

Mainiac said...

Good Morning CC,

Quite a bit of head scratching for me on this one. I didn't come close to getting the theme. I was looking for something related to Go Go girls or Goin to a Go Go. All kinds of problems which caused me to go online to finish. We are starting to approach previous Friday difficulties. I enjoyed this one which is typical with a Naddor grid.

I Hooked Up the wood stove last weekend. It was great last night to back my butt up to the warm fire after football practice. It seems the season has definitely changed for good now. Once the sun went down the temps are dropping to the low forties. Some of the kids started to shiver.

After our game this weekend I'll be heading to camp. Dad is meeting me on Sunday to pull the docks out and get his boat hauled out. Seems like we just put that stuff in the water.

Have a great day and a wonderful weekend!

Martin said...

Barry G,

We had IN TOWN clued as "Back from a trip" before and I wrote in AT HOME so I knew it _could_ be IN TOWN even though I started with AT HOME (because if you are not at home then you are away from home even if you are still in town).


Lemonade714 said...


EURODOLLARS were around long before they invented the EURO.

Love Dan's twisted puns, they really make you think.

Hahtoolah said...

Have a good weekend, All. I won't be back until Monday, as this Sunday marks the final Fall holiday in the Jewish calendar. The holiday is called Simchat Torah.

It is a festive holiday that celebrates the completion of and the beginning of the yearly cycle of weekly Torah readings. Each year the complete Torah is read publically in weekly portions, beginning with Genesis and ending with Deuteronomy.

During the Simchat Torah celebration, all the Torah scrolls are removed from the ark and are carried around the synagogue. The congregation gets up and follows the Torah scrolls procession while singing and dancing.

For those of you who have Columbus Day off, Have a great day!

KittyB said...

Good Morning C.C. and all.

YEA!! A Dan Naddor puzzle! This was a lot of fun.

I had to guess where DOERR and CAVEMANGO crossed, and on ELO. The perps helped me with AGRA and "nanos and minis." I keep forgetting that those are types of IPODS.

My favorite clues were "stern with a bow," and "Library volumes."

Tomorrow is my husband's last chance to sail. On Sunday they will take down the mast, and next weekend the boat will be lifted from the water for the winter. It's been a chilly, rainy week. I hope he'll be able to enjoy that final sail for the season. Mainiac, I have to agree, the year has gone by too fast.

Have a good weekend, all!

Jeanne said...

Morning all,
Enjoyed the puzzle today and didn't realize it was a Naddor puzzle until I got here. When I can do a Friday puzzle w/o googling, you know it is too easy.
Asiago cheese is one of my favorites to use on chicken, or roasted veggies. Very tasty. Thanks KittyB for the minestrone soup recipe. Copied and pasted recipe and will buy ingredients this weekend.
BarryG-passing good thoughts your way. Phillies fans are in mourning today. They almost came back; but almost doesn't win the game.
Have a great day all.

Martin said...


You know how a broken watch is right twice a day? Well, I reckon I'm wrong twice a day. I can live with that. Thanks for the correction.


PJB-Chicago said...

Brrrrr. So chilly, here. We'll probably be making "snow angels" before long.

I'm still fumbling & finding my way through today's puzzle, so I put my hand over the phone screen before "cheating"! I can't and won't promise that Google doesn't get searched before the grid gets filled in.

C. C. Yep, you're correct, as usual. The second pic is a 'photo of a photo'; the original was shot by a coworker's daughter who came to the office with a camera which she had made herself, as part of an 'after-school' program.' She built her apparatus from a card box found at home , too.
I was supposed to "be still" for fifteen seconds, which is truly harder to do than it may sound. She forwarded a copy--but no duplicate or negative, so I had to capture it via phone, because it shows me smiling & with a messy desk-- both are pretty typical aspects of who I am.

The last time I posted this snapshot, my friend L*** blogged:
He danced at my wedding. And I am now divorced. This is no coincidence.

Well, she's now actually still married, to the same guy, and happily so. I'm slow but that's a much a better line than anything I can come up with at the moment.
Breakfast: Cereal and berries beckon.
Heck, yeah, so do Cheetos, too! Don't want to miss my train.......
More later.

kazie said...

A fairly late post for me today, but I got through the puzzle a while ago--working on the newsletter.

I'm actually beginning to really like Naddor puzzles. I used to dread them but the last two have been quite enjoyable. Some of the sports references I had to guess, but no googling today. I pulled GARP out of the deeper recesses, and I thoroughly liked the theme, having got it after the first one, CAVE MANGO. No real problems.

Thanks for Euro dollars--I'd been wondering about that. As of last night, the €1 is worth US$1.48. I get a daily update of the world's major currencies and the Euro and aussie dollar are the two I check all the time. Tha aussie dollar used to be about AU$1.50 to our $1, and now it's almost the same at AU$1.10). Shows how the US $ has dropped.

I made the marinated salmon last night and it was delicious. Served it with whole grain curried rice and a salad.

I have the minestroni soup recipe waiting to try too.

Well IMBO to rescue my peppers from the garden. Tonight it really is going to freeze.

Warren said...

Hi C.C. & gang, we finished ~3/4 of today's puzzle and before my wife left we picked up the 'go' theme.

I didn't know about the Euro Dollars until the link from Lemonade714.

Does anyone else remember that Baal was also a character on the old Stargate SG1 series?

Clear Ayes said...

Good Morning All, I tried to finish this one without the aid of a wrong letter being indicated immediately. I've been doing this most days without much problem, not so today. The NE was a real mess for quite a while.

Sorry all baseball fans, the only commissioner I knew was Bowie Kuhn, so I stuck BOWIE in for 11D, although I was sure of COSI(9A). (To my credit, I knew OTT, but not DOERR.)

I started out with GENERALS(15D) and as far as I knew GACOT could have meant "Be silent in music"

I temporarily gave up on the NE and finished up the west side and SE of the puzzle. When I returned to the NE, I changed my preference to "indicate the correct letter", so I could see my mistakes. I chipped away and finally remembered SELIG. Not only several D'ohs, but I also felt D'oh-pey.

I really liked the theme answers. MAYA LIN(GO) was the first one I got and I worked backward from there. All of them were very clever.

Jazzbumpa, I forgot to tell you earlier that I really enjoyed your sonnet, In Prayer She Contemplates. I had a couple of blind dates in my time who might have inspired a similar prayer.

PJB, nice photo. After your self portrait a while back, I would have recognized you anywhere.

Al said...

Three letter band names? Rather a lot, really. If you don't count the leading "The", there's also WHO, JET, and THE. Yes, that's "The THE".

Did any of you ever stare at a common repeated word and suddenly think it looked really strange? How do you all pronounce "THE", as "thuh" or "thee"? I think I use it both ways at different times, but I don't know why...

Mainiac said...

Nice pictures PJB. I agree with Lemonade that its nice to put faces with the names.

The schools are having an "early release" day. We used to call them half days. At any rate, that means in order to take advantage of the bus' dropping the kids off at the High School (where we practice), I have to have an early release from work. Oh darn!


Jazzbumpa said...

Hi gang -

Wow - what an enjoyable puzzle. My favorite among the last several weeks. Clever clues that pun-ish me are always a treat. Got a big kick from the theme.

CLASSIC puzzle, the PTUI STAIN not withstanding.

But - I do not get Italian cheese from the Florida Keys?"

What do the Florida keys have to do with SOUTH EAST ASIA. I am genuinely baffled.

ENOL is more crosswordese than chemistry, often horribly clued as carbon compound. Unless there is something else special about the molecule to stabilize the combination of alcohol with a C=C double bond, the carbonyl tautomer will predominate. Having said this, I now realize I have but a sequence of words together which it totally unsuccessful at transmitting information. An ENOL is unstable, and usually rearranges to an aldehyde or ketone. AL - got anything to add?

C.C. -
He was witnessed visiting the scene of the crime = he was SEEN AT his ex-girlfriends house. Does this help? "Witnessed visiting" is a bit stilted in a sentence, but still a valid phrase.

Oooooh - I hates me some Geico cavemen.

C.A. -
Thanks. That's why, when I went on a blind date, I always left my dragon at home.

Jerome -
U have no idea how much effort I put into that. The U is for hUmility. I was rather proud of stir bon mot, though.

Wings finally won a game. Yay!

Gotta run. Have a stack of boring documents to read.

JzB the unlikely-to-rearrange-into-something-more-stable trombonist

Al said...

Oh, yes, I did get the "GO" theme right away. For some reason a little square picture appeared in the upper right part of my vision...

And I agree, nice pics, PJB. From a male perspective, I can't be entirely sure about this, (sometimes freedom toast is just freedom toast), but my opinion on those proposals you always say you get is that they are just using the food as an excuse or an ice-breaker so they can outwardly pretend that they weren't serious, just in case you didn't reciprocate the interest...The food prep skills are just icing on the cake, so to speak.

Moon said...

Good Morning!
Off from work today (Mandatory 6 days of PTO before Oct24, today is my third) and got up late.
The Nobel Peace prize news ...WOW!..the news kept me busy.

Reached the puzzle late and it was enjoyable...the best of this week.
As usual (when will I improve?), I finished the puzzle but did not get the theme. I have never heard of MAYA LIN but that was my first theme fill.
Got ESCAPED CONGO and tried to fill in NGO at the end of the themes. But ASIAGO foiled me there but the perps helped.
Again, forgot MRE though its appeared often and CC always explains it...DUH..DODO again.
Had AT HOME instead of IN TOWN and that part took some time to fix.
Some clues were marvellous:
Stern with a bow?
Continental Divide?
Library volumes?
Ensuring opus?

Good to finally see your pic, PJB.

Now thinking of stuff to do for the day..DH is off to work and has plans to play badminton in the evening. Might try some cooking and will watch the Twins-Yankees game.

Have a great Friday, everyone!

Warren said...

For C.C. & Jazzbumpa, I wish Mr. Naddor would comment but I think that Florida is in the South East and Asiago is the Italian cheese. It's probably accidental that South East Asia is part of the word, something like yesterday's covertops
Cover Tops or Covert Ops it's all in where you break the words?

Dan Naddor said...

Good morning everyone. I'm glad you all seemed to enjoy my "Give it a Go" puzzle today.

CC, I was at dinner when I spotted ASIAGO on the menu. Hmmm, my twisted crossword brain said, that's ASIA + GO. And that became the seed idea for the puzzle. Good thing SOUTHEAST had 9 letters. MAYA LINGO and CAVE MANGO gave me two entries short enough to put in Rows 3 and 13. RECYCLE BINGO and ESCAPED CONGO, by being 12-letters long, would have forced ugly 3x3 black masses in 2 of the corners.

Oh, and JazzBumpa -- there is no connection between "cheese" and SOUTHEAST ASIA. "Florida Keys" clues SOUTHEAST, and "Italian cheese" clues ASIAGO. Same as there's no connection between "Church" and RECYCLE BIN.

See y'all Sunday!

Hahtool said...

I know, you all thought you wouldn't hear from me until next week. I had a free moment during lunch.

The word "Baal" literally means "master" or "lord." although it generally refers to idol worship, especially when used alone, that is not the only context is which it can be used.

There is a very famous rabbi who lived in the 18th century who is/was known as the Baal Shem Tov. This means "The Master of the Good Name."

Al said...

Gee whiz, Jazz, you don't fear anything, do you? That requires a pretty deep dive into organic chemistry again, but maybe this one part will be interesting to the nutrition-conscious among us.

The most likely place you might see ENOL as something recognizable and important to you is as part of the Vitamin E complex.

There are eight forms of Vitamin E: (alpha, beta, delta, gamma) tocopherols and the same for tocotrienols. They all have a very similar structure, that we will pretty much ignore, except for the long chain attached to the end.

Remember how I said carbon can link together in a "catenated" chain? The trienol part basically means the "straight" chain has three double bonds (unsaturated). The tocopherol form has only single bonds (saturated). Saturated is actually an overused term that is unnecessarily vilified. Not all saturated things are bad. All eight forms are necessary nutrients.

If you flip back and forth between those two pictures, and only focus on the long chain portion, you can see the corresponding places where there are double lines instead of single ones. The doubles are the ENOLs in this case.

That's probably enough of that, huh? I'll just conclude by saying that you need to be careful buying Vitamin E supplements. Most of them are cheap knockoffs, that only contain one of the forms, the alpha tocopherol. Sometimes it is even a synthetic form. Beware of studies that would have only used this one form of the vitamin to test with. In isolation, it is unlikely to provide any benefit to anyone. If you buy Vitamin E supplements, it is important to have them:
a) Say "all natural" on the label
b) Contain mixed tocopherols and tocotrienols, all 8 forms, because E is a complex that works together, not as isolated nutrients.

OK, is that too much? I might have even managed to bore myself to death there...

JD said...

Good morning CC and all,

What a fabulous puzzle. Loved the theme and the clues, but have to admit I left many empty spots, such as the GA (Garp)and al(Baal). Had many WAGS: cosi,tacet,opels, and even ipods! Should have taken the time to G, but have lots to do today.
Fav. clues were library volumes and aquarium clapper.Got asiago right away, although I don't really like it, but had a difficult time filling in southeast.

Jeannie, the chicken was delicious.

Sharks opened at home last night with a win and a hat trick. I bet Melissa's daughter had a great time.Two of their 1st 3 "on-the-road" games were discouraging.

Tonight I'm going to see Cinderella as a musical with my daughter.Have never heard any music from it, so it should be entertaining

Treefrog, I still have that plumber under our house.Shall I send him your way?

I did remember LSAT, but at 1st glance I wondered how Mr Naddor knew that many of the bloggers are not happy with me."How high do I need to jump?"

Anonymous said...

Hello all,

This one was more like it. Very enjoyable and I had to think about some of the clues.


Jazzbumpa said...

Al -

I know I can also count on you easily digestible nutrition.

But I'm not as intrepid as you might think.

Dan and Warren -

What threw me is that the other theme entries are recognizable, if parsed at the terminal GO. And, since all the root parts of the fills, except the central one, are the complete fill minus GO, that seemed to be the construction protocol. SOUTHEAST ASIAGO is assembled differently.

One of my may bad habits is over-analysis. Lo siento.

JzB the taking a break from legalese trombonist

Jerome said...

Dan's an eternal fountain of cleverness and fun. I could stare at RECYCLE BIN until hell freezes over and fail to make anything funny out of it. I'm guessing it took him minutes... or way less. Here's a perfect example of Dan's warp speed wit. A few days ago I was looking for a humorous clue for GELDING. In about 30 seconds Dan e-mailed me this-
"Gone nuts, horsewise?"

Good stuff- Wide open grid and no isolated black squares.

There's an Old Norse saying that goes, "SO, SUE A THAI'S GOAT" if you don't like SOUTHEAST ASIAGO.

Lastly, a warning to our host about Mr. Knotts. When he sees ESCAPED CONGO, DON GOES APE, C.C.

Clear Ayes said...

A couple of quick comments and then off to one of those busy afternoon things.

Al, about "THE". I belong to a community chorus group and our director insists that we pronounce it as "thee", at least while singing. But then, she insists that we sing "Christmas" as "Cri-smas" and "remember" as "reh-membeh". She doesn't like those hissing "S's", or growly "r's".

Another Al comment. Jazzbumpa may be fearless, but you are the most optimistic of us all...."Remember how I said carbon can link together in a "catenated" chain?. :o)

JD, If I had more time/talent, I'd put my thinking CAP ON and write AN ODE to you. I sure hope no OGRE has been saying PTUI to you. You're a CLASSIC GAL in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

C.C., your interview would be well received if it ran on another blog. Thanks for the continued effort.

Lurker J

JimmyB said...

I didn't recognize the name Maya Lin as the designer of the Vietnam War Memorial until being enlightened here by C.C.'s explanation. Which brings up an interesting aside. According to our son (a Yalie) Maya Lin submitted her design as an undergraduate class project at Yale. She later (or maybe simultaneously) submitted her design to the national competition. Although she would eventually win the national competition (over something like 2000 designs submitted) her architecture class instructor only gave her a C on the project!

Jerome - Thanks for sharing that little gem about Dan Naddor's suggestion for cluing GELDING. That was priceless.

Bill G. said...

Questions for anybody. Why is it that Joe Krozel's puzzles have not been in the LA Times? Why do Dan Naddor's puzzles not show up on the United Syndicate? Is it just that constructors have their favorite editors and vice versa? Or is there some rule about appearing on more than one site? There doesn't seem to be much overlap.

embien said...

10:12 today. Gadzooks! A wonderful puzzle; clever theme; and we seem to be returning to the fun clueing (Library volumes a favorite). As a bonus, everything fell into place without much "whaa?" feelings. What's not to like?

c.c. How could we forget the three-letter REM band? And CSN (Crosby, Stills and Nash, before Neil Young joined in) is pretty well-known. I suppose ELP (Emerson, Lake and Palmer) is too obscure, but I did love their music.

To Jazz and AL: I love all that chemistry talk, though I confess to having much of it go over my head.

Chemistry was one of the fields I was considering for a major eons ago in college. The problem: the only section of honors chem at the U of O was at 9AM, which was waaay too early for my late-night habit of spending the wee hours in the computer lab. Result: I passed the course, but missed most of the classes, and my grade wasn't good enough to consider a chemical future for me. So I was thrust into taking on computers for a career. Worked out fine in the long run.

Jazzbumpa said...

Do letters sent in dead languages end up in the dead letter office?

Impatient people say

At Yale,

CAVE MANGO easily tautomerizes to GO, CAVE MAN.
But, where to go to? My guess is he legs it out to

Meanwhile, the grain farmer rode into

Jerome, help: Looking into the RECYCLE BINGO, I C GREEN COB.

Otherwise, I might suffer a twisting injury to the thorax:

JzB the refusing to apologize for any of this trombonist

Jerome said...

Bill- Most constructors will send their puzzles to the New York Times first because there's a perception that it's the "Cadillac" of publications. Plus, they pay the most. More than double what others pay. Just like the Yankees, I might add. If your puzzle isn't acceted you're still going to want a shot at a sale. So, you send it elsewhere. Both Dan and Joe are a little unusual in their approach. I believe Joe only sends to the NYT, and Dan, until recently, only the LAT.

I think it was Elizabeth Gorski who had 4 puzzles published on the same day in 4 different publications! That's a near impossibility.

Jerome said...

Dang it, Jazz! You can't use U for you and you can't use C for see!

Lemonade714 said...

You are all in rare form today, but the GELDING clue had me both in stitches, and crossing my legs. Great stuff. Girls, you all have been absent or quiet, the cool weather up north too much for you?

Yes, we jews have been in serious holiday mode since mid-september, with shmini atzeret and simchat torah ending the run. How many places celebrate Columbus Day ? Are schools closed where you live?

Andrea said...

Greetings on a chilly but sunny afternoon -

I enjoyed this puzzle. After a couple passes and lots of blanks, I wasn't so sure, but once I got a couple was able to chip away and finish unassisted. Although I quickly recognized go at the end of the theme answers, I didn't exactly put it all together until seeing CC's answers. Wondered what in the world a Cave Mango was... Caveman Go makes much more sense.

One of my favorite movies is The World According to Garp, so I enjoyed the images that the clue evoked. One of my favorite parts has always been when Garp talks about how he loves his kids so much that sometimes he goes in their rooms at night just to look at them. Now that I have my own beatiful daughter, that scene is more meaningful than ever, and I have been known to happily spend time watching her sleep.

PJB - nice to see your pix and put a face to the posts. You never fail to make me laugh. Happy belated birthday.

We're off for a weekend road trip to visit my parents. I may take Minestrone fixins, as it is supposed to be quite yucky out. Possibly even snow. Yikes!

Have a great weekend.


Jazzbumpa said...

Jerome -

That's why I was asking for help.

Twins are playing the hated Yanquis tough tonight!

JzB the helpless trombonist

Jerome said...


Title of an ode to Tammy Faye Bakker-


Jazzbumpa said...

Jerome -

The only place to buy a fishing basket is the

(Yes, that took me an hour!)

Twins looking pretty good!

JzB the MAGNA ARTSI tromonist

Anonymous said...

Good evening everyone.

Jazz, I totally agree with your analysis of Southeast asia go.

Jeannie, my DH has been trying to make a really good meatloaf for a year or so. Tried yours and we both consider it to be a winner. Thank you.

PJB, Nice to see your handsome face.


Jazzbumpa said...

Fabulous, fantastic job by the umpiring crew tonight.

Fabulous: almost impossible to believe, incredible.

Fantastic: conceived or appearing as if conceived by an unrestrained imagination; odd and remarkable; bizarre; grotesque:

So fabulous that I wanted to say to the plate umpire: It's ten o'clock. Do you know where your strike zone is?

And what a bizarre and grotesque feat of imagination to call a ball foul that falls well within fair territory.

Truly awesome! Cost the Twins the

As if anyone needed another reason to hate the Yankees.

Humbug -- I mean,
Cheers, anyway!
JzB the aghast trombonist

Bill G. said...

Jazz said: "So fabulous that I wanted to say to the plate umpire: It's ten o'clock. Do you know where your strike zone is? And what a bizarre and grotesque feat of imagination to call a ball foul that falls well within fair territory."

That was pretty amazing. He was standing right there staring at the ball and the foul line and called it wrong by six inches. My condolences.

Meatloaf: Don't forget about sandwiches. White bread, meat loaf, mayonnaise and ketchup.

Clear Ayes said...

It is a lot of fun watching a baseball game while not being a dedicated fan...Six Months Out Of Every Year.."You're blind, Ump, you must be out of your mind Ump!" GAH was hopping up and down...Damn Yankees!

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