Jun 19, 2014

Thursday, June 19, 2014 Jerry Edelstein

Theme:  Michael Jackson

17. Harebrained schemes : CRAZY IDEAS. They are often off the wall.

22. Noted sitter : HUMPTY DUMPTY. He fell off the wall and cracked himself up.

36. With 37- and 38-Across, big hit : LONG.
37. See 36-Across : FLY.
38. See 36-Across : BALL. If it's not a home run, it probably bounced off the wall.

47. Cause of bad luck, so they say : BROKEN MIRROR. All I have to do is look in one to break it - it doesn't have to fall off the wall.

56. Bizarre, and what 17-, 22-, 36/37/38- and 47-Across can be, in one way or another : OFF THE WALL.

There are lots of ways to be off the wall. Here we have one figurative off the wall reference, one fictional, and two that could literally either bounce or drop off the wall.  Marti here, to pick up the pieces.


1. Licensed med. personnel : RNS. Checking the perps didn't help much - between RALPH, NAURU and SALEM, all I got was the "S"!!! Cross referenced at 64-Across. Workplaces for 1-Across : ERS.

4. Heavens : EDENS. Edens to Betsy!

9. Relations : KIN.

12. Wireless mouse batteries : AAAs.

14. Fuzzy __ : NAVEL. Peach schnapps and OJ. Great for brunch.

15. How-to presentation : DEMO.

16. One of a kind : LULU.

19. Lay the groundwork : PREPARE.

21. Live-in help, perhaps : NANNY.

26. Squirt : IMP.

27. Hardly a deadeye : POOR SHOT. Any takers?

31. "We __ amused" : ARE NOT. (Oh yes, we are!)

34. Role for Liz : CLEO.patra. Elizabeth Taylor.

35. Personality part : EGO.

39. Catchall abbr. : ETC.

40. Miscellany : OLIO.

42. Pushed : GOADED.

44. Makes tawdry : CHEAPENS.

46. Acct. datum : AMT. I wish the amount in my account were a little higher...

52. __ New Guinea : PAPUA.

55. Gets : OBTAINS.

60. Half DX : CCLV. I prefer this type of clue much more than "Year in so and so's reign…"

61. Campaign funders, briefly : PACS. Political Action Committees.

62. Guts : MOXIE.

63. 1980s surgeon general : KOOP. The only surgeon-general to become a household name. Do you remember why?

65. Jacket material : TWEED.

66. Elevs. : HTS.


1. "Invisible Man" writer Ellison : RALPH. Full name RALPH Waldo Ellison, named for - (guess who?)

2. World's smallest island nation : NAURUMap.

3. Capital south of Olympia : SALEM.

4. Protect, in a way : ENCRYPT. I am fascinated by the Navajo Code Talkers of WWII.

5. Challenged : DARED.

6. PerĂ³n of Argentina : EVA.

7. Pince-__ : NEZ.

8. Like some dogs and devils : SLY.

9. Sharp : KEEN.

10. One-named supermodel : IMAN. I can never remember if it IMAm, InAm or IMAN.

11. Prone to prying : NOSY.

13. Dining : SUPPING.

15. Decisive times : D-DAYS. Do you know what the "D" stands for? Spoiler here.

18. Short beginning : INTRO.

20. Sphere lead-in : ATMO. Meh. And another: 33-Down. Confer ending : ENCE.

23. Able to give a firsthand account : UP CLOSE…and personal.

24. "Holy __!" : MOLY!

25. "The Pit and the Pendulum" author : POE. Would you believe, I filled it in as "EAP" at first? D'uh!!

28. Proceed : HEAD.

29. Stare rudely at : OGLE.

30. Related : TOLD.

31. Baldwin of "The Cooler" : ALEC. In gambling parlance, a "cooler" is a player who seems to cause other players to get unlucky, thus "cooling" down their hot streaks.

32. "Portnoy's Complaint" novelist : ROTH. It came out in 1969 - and immediately created a public outrage.

37. Informer : FINK.

38. Dugout convenience : BAT RACK. It's where they hang their keys.

40. Talk show tycoon : OPRAH.

41. Durocher of baseball : LEO. "The Lip."

42. Bet : GAMBLED.

43. Skip past : OMIT.

45. Is up against : ABUTS.

48. "Cross my heart!" : NO LIE!

49. Maker of Caplio cameras : RICOH. Never heard of this camera:

50. Like septic tanks : ON LOT. Anyone else scratch their heads over this one? Septic tanks are always located ON the LOT of land that they serve.  Town sewer systems draw sewage through sewer lines to a central processing system at another central location. All you want to know, here. (Really, you actually clicked that link???)

51. SASE inserts, often : RSVPS. I used to get invited to a lot of weddings. Now I look through the obituaries to plan my social calendar.

52. Leader who wears the Ring of the Fisherman : POPE. Also called the "Piscatory Ring."

53. Quite a way off : AFAR.

54. Low-ranking GIs : PFCs.

57. CPR pro : EMT.

58. "Man!" : WOW.

59. Tool often swung : AXE. "Give me six hours to chop down a tree, and I will spend the first four sharpening the AXE.": Abraham Lincoln.

That's all I have for now!



OwenKL said...

HUMPTY DUMPTY had a great fall.
All the kings horses
And all the kings forces
Had omelets and quiche in the mess hall!

HUMPTY DUMPTY had a great Fall,
His Winter was slow
But Spring was a go
And Summer was best of them all!

Some might think it a CRAZY IDEA
To use onomatopoeia
As an OFF THE WALL tock-tick
To composing a limerick,
But sometimes it's a real panacea!

Barry G. said...

Morning, all!

I struggled a bit up north today after confidently entering RED for 8D and then eventually making things worse by inexplicably going with HOT instead. I don't know why, but HOT devil seemed to make sense at the time. Once I got that sorted out, however, it was smooth sailing until I got to the SE corner where I tripped over BAT RACK and ON LOT. The first was inferrable, the second was just unpleasant. Thank heavens I knew KOOP and can do basic math with roman numerals, however!

Lemonade714 said...

A simple Thursday and a very fun write up - bat rack indeed. I thought it was referring to this Bat Rack.

I liked the odd symmetry of the first and last row across fill were cross referenced.

Hahtoolah said...

Good Morning, Marti and friends. Interesting puzzle, but I thought the LONG FLY BALL was a bit contrived.

For the Noted Sitter, my first thought was Whistler's Mother, but she was too many letters for the spaces provided.

Hand up for thinking of EAP instead of POE.

C. Everett KOOP was best known for his advocacy against smoking.

QOD: Kind words do not cost much; Yet they accomplish much. ~ Blaise Pascal (June 19, 1623 ~ Aug. 19, 1662)

OwenKL said...

Not too bad for a Thursday. No red letter help needed, but a lot of do-overs. AAAA>AAAS (I've had two wireless mice, one uses AA, one AAA, and my car & gate fobs use AAAA), Fuzzy WUZZY>NAVEL, this SF fan wanted HARLAN>RALPH Ellison, but too many letters, NASAU>NAURU (Nassau is just the capital of the Bahamas), RED>SLY (same as Barry), IMAM>IMAN (same as Marti), PVTS>PFCS.
Do you know what the tiny island nations of Tuvalu & Micronesia have in common with Armenia and others?
KOOP may be best known, but Joycelyn Elders also became notorious in that office. Remember why?

Abejo said...

Good morning, folks. Thank you, Jerry Edelstein, for a fine puzzle. Thank you, Marti, for a fine review.

Bounced along and got the easy answers. The tough ones started filling in.

HUMPTY DUMPTY and BROKEN MIRROR were easy theme answers. The others took a while.

Wanted SAMOA, but NAURU appeared after SAMOA was definitely wrong.

OLIO was a piece of cake. We seem to get that one occasionally.

Yesterday tore the siding off a house somewhere on Rockaway. Took a dip in the Atlantic after work. Cold water!

Today doing drywalling and painting at a different house. Americorps is involved in coordinating these projects. I had never heard of that group before.

Tonight going to a Yankees game vs Toronto.

See you tomorrow.



thehondohurricane said...

Hello all,

Not much of a problem today, especially for a Thursday. Eraser had a minor workout. Needed perp assistance big time because of several unknowns, forgottens, ETC.

NAURU, IMAN, PAPUA,& KOOP the major "Who's".

I've never researched this, but LEO Durocher may have been the only baseball person who managed both the Dodgers & Giants. I'm sure he was in my lifetime. The hate between those franchises was unlike any other in baseball. Hell, when the Dodgers traded Jackie Robinson to the Giants after the '55 season, Robby, rather then play for the Giants, retired. Of baseball guys who was the Giants player in the trade?

See ya.

thehondohurricane said...

I'll be glad when I have the catarack's taken care of.

Kast sentence should start as OK, not Of.

Lemonade714 said...

HONDO it was lefty Dick Littlefield, but it was Chock Full O'nuts that convinced number 42 to retire.


thehondohurricane said...


Never knew it. Must have been how "money talks" worked in the '50's. But, I am sure I read that Robby was not happy about going to the Giants.

One more correction in my post, the year was '56, not '55. I saw Littlefield pitch in an EL game in Hartford. Can't remember the team though.

kazie said...

After yesterday I was expecting disaster today. It came in another form--the puzzle came fairly easily as it happened. After the first few hesitations, things started to fall into place with little effort and minimal perp help except for IMAN.

Fortunately, due to geograhic proximity in my youth, both PAPUA and NAURU were familiar to me.

No, the disaster is that our AC isn't working. Plumber is coming this afternoon.

Al Cyone said...

This was getting ugly. Maybe even stinky. I spent five minutes looking for the typo. Well, not really a typo. I knew it had something to do with the septic tank (doesn't everything end up there?) and, it turns out, my bad Roman numeral math skills. I was sticking with CCCV (305?) but couldn't imagine how ONCOT could be right (and, of course, it wasn't). I'm not sure if I remembered that L was a Roman numeral or just plugged it in to make ONLOT make some (minimal) sense but it produced the musical coda.


desper-otto said...

Good morning!

Late to the party this morning. We took our 3-mile march early and ran into slow-walkin', slow-talkin' Harold. That pushed the march into overtime.

I found a few ways to go wrong on this one, but managed to triumph in the end. I normally don't complain about clue/answer combos, but ON LOT has to be one of the most awkward in recent memory.

Cute BAT RACK, Marti.

Kazie, you've got a plumber who fixes air conditioners? Or is it one of those, "if it's in the house, we fix it" outfits? There's one of those in Houston named A-R-S, but locals just call it ARSE.

C6D6 Peg said...

Not too difficult today, and a fun theme. Thanks, Jerry. Marti, I loved your "bat rack", too!

Irish Miss said...

Good Morning:

For the most part, this was fair sailing, especially for a Thursday. However, ended up a DNF because of an "off the wall" mistake. Instead of poor shot, I had poor slob (don't ask, I have no answer) which gave me lead for proceed, which works and bold for related, which doesn't work! I'll defer to Thumper regarding on lot. Thought of CC at olio. All I could think of at Fuzzy______was Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear, etc.

Thanks, Jerry, for a cute theme, even though I messed up and thanks, Marti, for a fun expo. Loved the bat

Have a great day.

Magilla Go-Rilla said...

50D: Yes I clicked the link because I couldn't imagine what you wanted to show us.

Dudley said...

Hello Puzzlers -

Haven't been hanging around the Corner much due to busy life, but today's puzzle just seemed a little extra clever to me, so I wanted to praise it a bit.

No speed bumps other than Iman; I suspect we've had that before, but I don't remember it.

Morning Marti, hand up for liking the Bat Rack! Yes, I clicked your sewer link, because that kind of civil engineering is darned important to a homeowner on property like mine. As for Koop, wasn't he the guy who got the word "cancer" on cigarette packs? I recall admiring his tell-it-like-it-is manner.

D Otto 8:55 - our air conditioning is the newfangled Mini Split variety, installed and maintained by our plumber. It's hard to understand why this practical system took so long to emerge in the American market. The equipment is Japanese.

CanadianEh! said...

Busy week and I have completed the CW in the newspaper later in the evening. By then, it was WEES!

Enjoyable puzzle today but I resorted to red letters in the end because of lack of time.

Enjoy the game Abejo. The Jays have been up and down this season so I hope you see a good one!

Off to a strawberry social. Yum!

Dudley said...

A question about domain names: I came across a site called, and was surprised to see that it was manifestly a for-profit company, despite the "org" suffix. I always assumed you had to be a nonprofit to use such a domain. Can anybody set me straight?

HeartRx said...

Magilla and Dudley, I'm glad I wasn't the only one who just "had" to look at further information about sewer systems! I felt darned foolish after spending almost a half hour reading up on them, and figured if I could suck someone else into it, I wouldn't feel so dumb...

Off to lunch with a friend who just returned from Vienna. We'll have lots to talk about, I'm sure!

desper-otto said...

Dudley@10:06 -- I'd never heard of a mini-split system, so I had to look it up. I don't think they're very common down here in the southland. All the folks I know have central air. Large, newer homes even have multiple outdoor compressors to provide different cooling zones.

Misty said...

This puzzle was a total delight for me--not a speed run and I had to work a bit in several places, but a very satisfying Tada! in the end. So, many thanks, Jerry, and you too, Marti for the fun expo and cute BAT RACK.

How can I ever get OLIO and OLEO straight? They both come up in puzzles all the time and I never remember which one refers to miscellany and which one refers to margarine. Luckily the perps usually solve the problem.

Have a great Thursday, everybody!

Steve said...

Fun puzzle. I had to keep checking to make sure it wasn't a C.C. offering every time I came across another baseball reference!

Thanks for the write-up, Marti. I loved the bat rack picture. I'm with you on the IMAM/IMAN/any anagram thereof regarding Mrs. Bowie.

Time-shifting today. 8:30AM Eastern conference call meant a 5:30AM start for me. They're breaking for lunch in New York - I'm breaking for more coffee!

Steve said...

@Dudley - the .org domain suffix is just a guideline, there's no policing of the original intent.

As long as the name isn't taken, it can be registered for any purpose.

In contrast, the .gov and .edu suffixes are managed and cannot be used by non-US government agencies or US educational establishments.

The country-specific suffixes such as .ca or .uk used to be reserved only for organizations in those countries, but some years ago each country was given the ability to manage (and sell) their own domain names. The island nation of Tuvalu (.tv) has made a lot of money selling "television" related domain names.

Al Cyone said...

Dudley@10:21: Anyone can register a .com, .org, or .net domain name. There are, however, restrictions on registering .gov, .edu, and others. Read all about it here.

Lucina said...

Hello, fellow puzzlers. Thanks to Marti and Jerry Edelstein for a fun time today.

I had a slow start on this puzzle and finally EVA came through and helped fill the north center then CRAZY IDEAS prodded the n. eastern corner.

After that it was up and down, across and down. WITNESS fit perfectly at 23D but no cigar, then POE (Why EAP?).

When Portnoy's Complaint came out I made the mistake of reading it and have been disgusted with ROTH ever since and never read anything by him again.

I finally got IMAN straight after missing it so many times. I parse it as I-MAN though she is definitely very much a woman.

WEES about ONLOT because my Roman numeral function was faulty and I had CCVV but solved it as 255. It made no sense but I left it.

Still this was a good challenge and though I filled MACAU knew it wasn't right because I've seen it on Jeopardy but couldn't recall. NAURO showed up eventually.

Interesting discussion about A/C systems. I'll have to look into it.

Have a beautiful Thursday, everyone!

Spitzboov said...

Good afternoon everyone.

Did the puzzle yesterday but couldn't post; cable out all day due to storms. A tornado touched down in western Oneida County, 20 miles west of us.

Today's seemed easy for a Thursday. Liked the theme. BALL helped get HEAD. No lookups or strikethroughs needed.
12a - My wireless Apple mouse uses 2 double A batteries.

Great day here today; hopefully the storms are past.

HG - Sincere heartfelt condolences on the loss of your special golfing friend during the Pilger storm. He sounded like a really fine person.

Ol' Man Keith said...

Fuzzy slowed me down. Not sure I ever heard of the drink. I complicated things by entering SUN for 8D. When I corrected that to SLY and finally hit upon NAVEL, I could only imagine a great deal of Lint.

Thanks to Jerry and Marti for a pleasant Thursday morning.

Tinbeni said...

Marti: Nice write-up & informative links.

Jerry: Thank you for a FUN Thursday puzzle. (That felt like a Wednesday).

Of course I've heard of a "Fuzzy NAVEL" ... just think it is a waste of "good booze" coming up with such drink concoctions (like the COSMO yesterday).
Please note: Martini's are the exception to this rule.

I'll stick with the "very-complicated-to-make" Scotch poured straight into a glass ... NEAT ... lol

Hmmm, that gives me an idea ...

Bill G. said...

That was a fine Thursday puzzle. Thanks Jerry and Marti. WEES (I didn't care for ONLOT either.) I'm guessing it's what the constructor needed to make everything else come together, so OK.

Does your dog like music? This dog seems to have an opinion. A Golden Retriever that likes guitar strumming.

Husker Gary said...

I’m back after a nice, peaceful morning of golf with the 3 remaining members of our foursome.

-The theme was fine and LONG FLY BALL OFF THE WALL was a hoot
-To my former sister in law after trying to borrow more money from us, “Here’s a CRAZY IDEA, don’t spend more than you and my brother make!”
-TD Ameritrade Park in Omaha where the College World Series is being played has a reputation of turning home runs into LONG FLY BALLS
-DEMO – Don’t tell me, SHOW ME!
-My daughter’s good friend in her $800,000 home has five kids and three NANNIES
-I can think of several things I got GOADED into in my life
-Attempting to restore a gun may CHEAPEN its value on Pawn Stars
-Line 1 – Enter your income. Line 2 – Remit AMT on Line 1
-I remember KOOP’s anti-smoking campaign
-Encrypted Jive from Mezz Mezzro in 1944 (any decoders?)
SECOND CAT: Hey Mezzie, lay some of that hard-cuttin' mess on me. I'm short of a deuce of blips but I'll straighten you later.
MEZZROW: Righteous, gizz, you're a poor boy but a good boy — now don't come up crummy.
SECOND CAT: Never no crummy, chummy. I'm gonna lay a drape under the trey of knockers for Tenth Street and I'll be on the scene, wearin' the green.

-UP CLOSE accounts of recent tornados are heartbreaking
-Jocelyn Elders was way too plain spoken for that position. That’ll always get you fired.

PK said...

Hi Y'all! This puzzle and grid were definitely, "OFF THE WALL". Enjoyed it, Jerry!

Great as always, Marti! I looked at the link since I put in a new septic tank and all other inner workings to bring my farm home into the 20th century. I think plumbers & electricians are unsung heros -- the most important people in modern life.

KOOPS beard was also unforgettable. Joycelyn Elders had this CRAZY IDEA that home-alone do-it-yourself sex would solve a lot of social problems like unwed moms & STD. Made sense to me.

Abejo, I'm amazed you have the energy for nightlife entertainments after doing remodeling work all day. You're the Energizer Bunny personified.

PK said...

Blue Iris (from last night), I'm relieved to know a nicer John Brown founded that University. I never could understand why they'd honor that old devil at a Christian school. I wasn't around my niece enough in those days to learn any different.

Vidwan827 said...

How to differentiate an ImaM from an ImaN ....

The one l lama, he is a priest,
The two l llama, he is a beast,
and I'll bet you a pink pajama ....

The ImaM, he's a priest,
The ImaN ( - she's got her MAN ! ), she's a beast ....
and I'll bet you a pink pajama ....

(with apologies to OwenKL - )

Hahtoolah, a similar line to your QOD -

We cannot always oblige (everyone ) ; but we can always speak obligingly. - Voltaire.

A brilliant philosopher and iconoclast, but unfortunately, inexplicably, a noted anti-semite.(?)

Seriously, Imam is a priest.

ImaN means faith, but in context, can also stand for honor, respect, or dignity.

InaM* is an award or medal or prize .... (but no MAN, included !).

*also a 1960's-1970's U.S.veteran's refrain ... as in .... I was 'inam.

Great job, Marti. Loved your sewer link article. Took us 5000 years to figure out the system. Per the UNDC, 70% of the world's population does not live within a sewage treatment plant. I live in a township with a privately owned sewage treatment plant. We pay 20% of what the rest of the 'consumers' of the regional sewer district pay. Go figure.

desper-otto said...

Vidwan, I'd bet it's closer to 100% -- the number of people who don't live in a sewage treatment plant. ;)

Unknown said...

Fun, easy for Thursday puzzle. I also didn't like ON LOT much. Otherwise, I really liked this puzzle and solved it with no write-overs.

Have a nice weekend.

kazie said...

Well, we'll see after he gets here. It's actually central air, so if it needs replacing we're in for a big bill.

Vidwan827 said...

Desper otto - I got that but too late to correct. ;-)

Even sewage treatment workers, exceedingly well paid, as they are, go home at night. Originally, I did mean to add, 'within walking distance of a - ' but it got too clumsy in the construction.

BTW, our privately owned sewage treatment plant, which is fully automatic, is not considered a restricted security area, under the purview of the 2001 U.S. Patriot Act, so I have often taken my grandchildren to tour the facility .... for a pleasant afternoon stroll. ;-)

Children are rarely as finicky as adults ....

Chickie said...

Hola Everyone, Lots of proper names and mis-directions for me today.

Thanks Marty for clearing up some questions. Mainly what a Fuzzy Navel is! Never had one, never heard of one. It does sound good though. Mimosas are my choice for a brunch. I'll have to try a fuzzy navel next time.

Ralph Ellison and Nauru were also unknowns, so I had to Google some answers today. But as I keep telling myself--I'm learning. But how long those answers will stick is another matter. My brain is full of holes, like Swiss cheese.

I had a hard time with the East center part of the puzzle today. I had put in Ego, took it out, then put it in again. Told was the telling word. I thought related as by blood, not as in a story. I put the puzzle aside for a while, came back to it and that area filled in without a hitch. I just needed to give my brain a rest.

After all was said and done a fun puzzle--after I finished it!

Hatoolah, A classroom teacher uses your QOD always to get the results he/she needs. It works wonders.

Have a great day, everyone.

Lucina said...

Your Lea is precious!

kazie said...

Lucina, and all who commented on Lea yesterday as well,

Thanks for your comment--we certainly think so!

Bill G. said...

I still can't watch Dodgers games live thanks to the monopoly by Time Warner cable company. But I can watch them delayed by a couple of hours on, a subscription my wife pays for so she can watch Yankee games. So, I just finished watching a no-hitter by Dodgers ace, Clayton Kershaw. It was very exciting and emotional.

Yellowrocks said...

This was an easier puzzle than yesterday's. Marti, I always enjoy your wit and wisdom. You never disappoint. Loved the bat rack.
LONG FLY BALL was my fave.
Ralph and Nauru were the only completely unknowns, but perpable. COH gave RICOH.
Vidwan, very interesting and enlightening post. IMAM is so familiar to me with the news, so I know it is not that, so IMAN.
A fuzzy navel doesn't turn me on.

This week I am distracted and edgy. In the past seven days Alan has had episodic break-throughs lasting about an hour each, once a day, in spite of increased medication.
Yesterday from from 3:00 PM until 2:00 PM today we had a very long lasting break-through. Frightening for both of us! The events are minor, but could signal a major upcoming catastrophe.
The doctor and I have surmised that a too late application last week of a long lasting injection triggered this outbreak. We are hoping to get back in sync, rather than going to the emergency room and taking off in a wholly speculative, uncoordinated new direction, which would take many weeks to settle. Now that we understand what happened, hopefully we can overcome it.

Pat said...

Thanks, Jerry E.! I thought this was easy for a Thursday. Or maybe I'm getting smarter--NOT. I enjoyed your expo, Marti; thanks!

I didn't like or understand ONLOT. I grew up with a well and septic tank, but had never heard of it being ONLOT.

I didn't have any other problems that perps couldn't take care of. Now I get to enjoy all the comments. Thanks to all of you for more learning moments and entertainment.

It's our turn for thunderstorms. I hope they don't get to be severe.

Have a nice evening.


JJM said...

You gotta love that it's baseball season!

PK said...

pje: your house is on a lot. The septic tank for that house is also on the lot. When used as an adjective "the" and "a" are left out. "The ONLOT septic system was installed by a plumber." ONLOT is opposite to being piped off the lot to a waste treatment facility.

Tinbeni said...

PK's explanation, notwithstanding, it seems to me that ON-LOT was a crappy answer today.

Jayce said...

I got clobbered yesterday by the Stanton, Mott, Joe Ross, SYN corner.
I did solve today's puzzle without having to look anything up. Marti, I very much enjoyed your writeup.
Some things you remember, some things you forget. From now on I will always remember Omega as "big O" and Omicron as "Little O." NAURU and all MVPs I almost immediately forget.

SwampCat said...

Amen, Tinbeni! I Laughed Out Loud!

Great puzzle. Marti, fun write-up.

Owen, you and Humpty are really on the! Loved it, specially the third verse.,

Avg Joe said...

I'll "pipe" up on the on lot topic. I deal with that issue frequently, and always ask when looking at acreage properties if the septic (or lagoon) is entirely on site. I've never run into a situation where it wasn't, but have heard of it happening. That said, I've never asked if it was on lot and find that fill to be a clunker.

But...I got over it and found the puzzle to be very entertaining.

Al Cyone said...

As much as I hate to admit it, PK, @4:29, has a point. Click here.

And, for those of you who think you've got septic tank problems, shortly after buying my little house I was informed by my neighbor that my septic tank is on his property. That was over thirty years ago but it remains a sort of Sword of Damocles.

HeartRx said...

Lucina, I have to agree with you about Roth. I, too, had to read the book when it came out (it was the late 60’s, after all), but TMI !!!!! And, I have no clue why I entered EAP. There was no hint of abbr. in the clue, but with only three letters, I figured it had to be a monogram. D’uh!! POE is three letters. And thanks for the mnemonic on I-MAN. For sure, I will remember it next time!! Vidwan – loved your explanations, too!

Bill G., thanks for the guitar-loving golden link. Too funny!!

Chickie, if you enjoy an occasional Mimosa, I am sure you would like a Fuzzy Navel!!

Tin @ 4:37, (^0^)

Pat said...

PK, thanks for the explanation. It makes sense.

Al Cyone- I've read some of the article. I'll come back to it later. I'm getting an education tonight in a topic I didn't know concerned me.


Anonymous said...

Anyone else think 24-down started with an "S" ?...

PK said...

Tinbeni: You are right, anything concerning sewage is a "crappy" subject. Chuckle, chuckle!

PK said...

YR: is Alan epileptic? My heart aches for your stress.
I just hope your health isn't adversely affected. Prayers for you.

PK said...

My son built a business building at one end of 20 acres and a house at the other end. A waste lagoon was built on the edge of middle acreage which was also farmed. After living there for a number of years, the business building was sold to one person and the house site to another person. My son still owns the lagoon & farm land. Don't know how that will play out eventually.

fermatprime said...


Keep falling asleep!

Thanks for interesting puzzle, Jerry, and super review, Marti!

Took several passes but finally got the TADA with no cheats.


Avg Joe said...

That's a complicated situation, PK. The biggest problems will arise from lender requirements, not zoning or health dept. mandates. Most of it can be effectively dealt with via easements. But secondary market mortgage underwriters can be very difficult if the residential part of the property ever transfers or is refinanced with a long term loan. Physical and financial feasibility are the major tests. On the first, it's not likely it could ever be connected to a municipal system. On the second, building a new on site lagoon would likely be financially feasible, so I could see that being a prerequisite to financing. We have a saying: Whats the difference between a terrorist and an underwriter? You can negotiate with a terrorist!

Anonymous T said...

Eve All!

It took a long time for me to grok this theme. And I didn't help myself with POORSHOTs at answers. Many clues were totally orthogonal to my thinking. I eventually got it and loved it. Thanks Jerry. Marti - WEES BATRACK - LOL. The rest of the write-up was pretty darn good too!

I made many errors EES. Add narK before FINK, MARRY POPPINS at 22a (Not knowing R & P count, I never wrote it, but it mentally kept me from perps), and dyslexically putting in 245 (CCVL) at 60a.

51d. RSLPs almost made sense. SASEs are clued with manuscripts, so RSLPs == "Rejected: Smells Like Poo!" Turns out the poo was one answer to the left.

Anon @8:00 - Yes at 24d, but I knew the editor would have rejected it. Otherwise - yet another ink blot.

D-O - I'm one of the POORslObs with 2 compressors. One for upstairs, one for down. 5 months of the year I'm BROKE.

Adding to Steve @11:07 (and follow-up posts) you also can't get a .mil. My first two email addresses were .edu & .mil. This was before there was a browsable-internet (i.e. The Web).

Cheers, -T

Dudley said...

Late getting back to the dance, busy day.

Steve and Al Cyone - thanks for informing me about orgs. I just assumed there was a more rigorous categorizing done when registering a new site.

D Otto 10:42 - your research probably showed you that the mini split differs mainly in the size and location of each evaporator. The benefit is that a house like mine that has no other air handling equipment or ductwork can have the same powerful, quiet cooling as one with central air. I have two zones, each with its own variable-displacement compressor. Those things are so quiet you really can't tell they're running.

Anonymous T said...

Since it was last night and no one guessed again at Bill G.'s well fed monkey... The answer is 25.

In case Bill G.'s second question is keeping you up at night...

25, 106, 187, 268, 349, 430, 511, 592, 673, 754, 835, 916, 997, 1078, 1159, 1240, 1321, 1402, 1483 ... 2374.

1d. RALPHS "Invisible Man." As a HS Frosh, our English teacher had a shelf of books and said pick one, and read for 15 minutes. I thought it was the book the monster movie was based on. Turns out there are other monsters in the world.

Cheers, -T

Bill G. said...

AnonT, very excellent!

I just came across a NOVA show about the undersea relics from DDay. Very interesting. I was always disappointed with the Social Science curriculum in our middle schools. They covered ancient history and American history up through about the Civil War but never got into Viet Nam or WWII in detail with especial attention to DDay. That's an amazing era in US culture and history.

Martin said...

I didn't even realize this was an Thursday puzzle. I was able to do it quickly. It was only when I bought the paper today and reflected upon the fact that today is now Friday that I realized yesterday's puzzle was Tuesday's. If I can do today's puzzle without googling then it will be the first time I ever did Thursday and Friday in the same week without googling. (I had to google on Wednesday: I thought the Wednesday puzzle was much harder than the Thursday puzzle this week.)