Jun 30, 2008

Monday June 30, 2008 Norma Steinberg

Theme: Cut the Painter? (If you have a better theme title, please let me know)

20A: Cost of some French art?: DEGAS PRICES (The GAS PRICES)

39A: Dutch/Mexican portraitist?: HALS OF MONTEZUMA (HALLS of MONTEZUMA)

53A: Surrealist in the White House?: DALI MADISON (DOLLY MADISON)

I cannot say I DIG (3D: Beatnik's "Gotcha"!) this puzzle. The INSECT (30D: Bug) is screaming for an "Extreme Makeover" on the clue for FLYPAPER (40D: Hanging insect trap). And I wish AVEC (8D: Opposite of sans) were clued as Picasso's famous "Colombe AVEC Fleurs". We would have got an impressionist (DEGAS), a portraitist (HALS), a surrealist (DALI) and a Cubist's work in the grid.

Otherwise, an OK Monday puzzle, no stumper or obscure word. Some of the clues are pretty refreshing.


1A: Conspicuous jewelry: BLING. Gimme for those BLING-BLING obsessed rappers I am sure. Their music is just so difficult for me to understand, lots of slangs. What's so amusing about "Lolli Lolli (Pop That Body)" anyway? I like how BLING intersects I DIG.

15A: Rod in a hot rod: AXLE. And 18A: Figure-skater's leap: AXEL

17A: Online periodical: EZINE. is probably my favorite. Together with NPR, they produce "Day to Day" (a radio newsmagzine).

24A: Majority of V: III. Very creative clue.

33A: ___ you the clever one!: AREN'T

43A: Kissing equipment: LIPS. I have forgotten "What LIPS my LIPS Have Kissed, and where, and why..."

45A: Glasgow's river: CLYDE. Not familiar with this Scotland river. Only know Bonnie's CLYDE.

62A: Felon, to a cop: PERP (Perpetrator). Or "Crossing reference" (Perpendicular cousin) here in this twisted blog.

66A: Wallet fins: FIVES. For those fellow solvers outside US, "fin" is a American slang for a five-dollar bill.


4D: Santa Maria's sister? NINA. And Pinta. Look at this ridiculous NINA Ricci shoe!

5D: Divides evenly by: GOES INTO. I don't understand this one, why?

6D: Puppeteer Lewis: SHARI. I don't know her. Got her name from the perps.

11D: Put forth effort: EXERT. I like how it parallel with FLAIL (12D: Thrash about).

13D: Trustbuster Roosevelt: TEDDY. I had no idea that Trust Buster is also TR's nickname. Which one is correct, "Trust Buster" or "Trustbuster"?

28D: Bedouin, e.g.: ARAB. I did not know who/what was Bedouin. Would have never got it without the crossing references. According to Wikipedia, the Bedouin are a group of nomadic Arabs who live in the desert.

37D: Writer Oz: AMOS. He knows "How to Cure a Fanatic".

38D: Fuzzy rests?: NAPS. Good clue.

57D: Hindu deity: SIVA. Or SHIVA, "The Destroyer"of the Hindu Trinity. I simply forgot. Pieced it together from the across fills. Brahma is "The Creator" and Vishnu is "The Preserver".



Bill said...

Half a cup today! Not really simple but enough to make me think.
I really don't understand the theme Norma was putting forth so, until someone does better I guess I'll have to agree with C.C..
I know he won't be here for a while but I can't help thinking of Dennis and his procedure today. Sincerely hope all is well.

C.C. Burnikel said...

Is "Cut the Painter" a well-known idiom? Why GOES INTO for 5D: "Divides evenly by"?

Bill said...

C.C., GOES INTO---When in grade school we learn to do division by saying X GOESINTO Y, IE: 5 GOESINTO 30 six times. As we practiced those, now simple, exercises we generally said we were doing GOSINTAS!!
Same thing as we committed multiplication tables to memory... commonly called TIMESTABLES.
I used to think it was dumb but as I grew older I realized that a person uses MATH every single day of their lives in one way or another.
So now I rail on my grandkids KNOW THE 3 R'S intimately and you'll never go wrong.

C.C. Burnikel said...

Thank you for GOES INTO. What are the 3 R's? How about my question on "Cut the Painter"?

Dr. Dad said...

Not bad today.
Goes into for divides evenly by: e.g., 2 goes into 8 four times with no remainder, thus 8 is divided evenly by 2. e.g. of unevenly is 2 goes into 9 with a remainder of 1.
Shari Lewis and Lamb Chop brings back fond memories.
Nervy and steel were good together (nerves of steel?).
Not much else to comment on as far as answers in the puzzle.
Today is - Meteor Day - In observance of a meteorite crash (Tunguska Comet Impact) on June 30, 1908 in central Siberia, Russia. This impact was quite amazing and brought about numerous theories including an alien spacraft crash, a nuclear explosion, etc. I personally believe the meteor or comet theory.

Have a good day.

Bill said...

Never heard the term used other than in OLD sailing ship terms. A painter was what we commonly call a rope. And to "cut the painter" was to free something that couldn't be untied in the normal fashion.

Dr. Dad said...

The three R's (which is kind of dumb because only one actually starts with R): Reading, writing, and arithmetic. Called the three R's because they are spelled this way - Reading, 'Riting, and 'Rithmetic.

Bill said...

Reading, Writing and Arithmetic.....

C.C. Burnikel said...

Good point on STEEL & NERVY. Thank you for the 3 R's. What happened on weekend? No puzzle at all?

I decide "Cut the Painter" is a fine theme title.

Barry G. said...

Morning, folks!

It most be Monday and my brain isn't firing on all cylinders yet. I started at the NW corner for what seems like the longest time and just couldn't get into the groove. I had BORE for 1D and really wanted BAUBLE for 1A, but of course it didn't fit. I finally gave up and finished the rest of the puzzle. Fortunately, by then the caffeine had started to infuse my system, and I was able to come up with BRED and BLING, so the story had a happy ending after all.

Anybody else think the cluing for 27D was a bit odd? Shouldn't it be "Sound of laughter" instead of "Sounds of laughter"? I originally put HAHS instead of HAHA because I assumed a plural was wanted.

Never heard of the painter Hals, by the way. At first, I thought the theme was something about adding "DE" in front of common expressions. Oh -- and speaking of the theme, I'm afraid I've never heard the idiom, "Cut the painter". It may be a perfectly valid expression, but I wouldn't exactly call it "well-known."

Anonymous said...

20 A was cute...cut 'de gas prices'!

Dr. Dad said...

C.C - I did the puzzles early in the morning on both days but didn't get to the site because of all the yard work I had to do. Digging around in the dirt, mowing the lawn, grub treatment for the lawn, cutting down a few small trees and shrubs that were dying. All of that fun stuff for a Saturday. Sunday it was off bright and early to the Rhode Island National Guard Air Show. Boy! I could do without fighting the traffic to get to it.

flyingears said...

Generally I did OK, but some of the terminology used I'm not cued into... Two of the three paintings got me.

Dr. Dad said...

C.C. - response for yesterday. Rep was a gimme as Rhode Island has the "Trinity Repertory Company" which is shortened to "Trinity Rep."

NYTAnonimo said...

I did not know BLING-no surprise as I'm not a fan of hip-hop.

I find it amazing how much this painting(1642) by Rembrandt looks like this one(1633)this one(1633) by Frans Hals.

Reminded me of another book you might enjoy cc, The Lost Painting by Jonathan Harr, a novel about a lost Caravaggio.

Did not know AMOS Oz either but got it from the PERPs which reminded me of Dennis. Forgot today was DDay for him until I read Bill's comments.

NINA Ricci shoes are ridiculous!!!

Thanks for the writeup cc. Since Dennis isn't here to tell everyone to have an outstanding day here's your reminder to do so!

Thanks for the writeup cc-I always find your insight impressive.

Jeanne said...

Morning all, Had a little trouble with the top left corner but managed to fill in after doing the rest of the puzzle. I didn't do the weekend puzzles yet since we were away. Hard not reading comments section but I don't want to give myself any clues to the puzzle.
Anyone from Fredericksburg, VA? We were there for the weekend meeting the soon to be in-laws of my son. It was a beautiful area and we were treated to a beautiful boat ride on the Potomac ending in MD at a crab house. Lots of fun.

C.C. Burnikel said...

Barry, Bill, Drdad & Anon @6:52am,
Now I start to think that the theme of this puzzle is playing on words:

DEGAS PRICES: The Gas Prices

HALS OF MONTEZUMA: Halls of Montezuma (Marines' hymn)

DALI MADISON: Dolly Madison

C.C. Burnikel said...

It's not surprising. Rembrandt & HALS are contemporaries.

Jeanne et al,
In your Lancaster county neighborhood, do those Amish men wear only black clothes?

Bill said...

How about WORDPLAY for a theme? I caught that the clues actually pointed in a different direction and I know there is a term to describe the answers, but yesterday was a really long day and my brain is still a little slow today.

Bill said...

C.C. ,
Yesterday we were in an Amish area of NY, (Madrid in St. Lawrence County).
And, there, yes, the men ,at least, dress in black.
The children sometimes wear different colors, but always earth tones. Women the same. Nothing flashy.
It's as if they do not want to draw attention to themselves.

Jeanne said...

C.C.: I have seen Amish men only in black slacks and jackets. They do wear white shirts. Did you know that Amish dolls are made without facial features? Their belief is very humble and do not like vanity and do not like to have their pictures taken.

Bill said...

And yet, with their clothing and mode of transportation, (horse and buggy) exactly the opposite happens.
People not familiar with their ways tend to stare.

MH said...

Really fast. I couldn't write fast enough to keep up with my brain. Didn't even get through half a cup of coffee. Maybe the theme could be "artistic license". Kind of a combination of using artists and wordplay as in poetic license. At least Dennis will have an easy puzzle once he recovers.

Anonymous said...

I am having so much trouble getting comments on this site. Maybe this time.
Last week the question was raised about period being the solution for full stop. Full stop is the way the Brits refer to the period at the end of a sentence. I may have found this long ago in the excellent "Eats, Shoots and Leaves".

C.C. Burnikel said...

Bill & Jeanne,
Thank you for the quick replies.
"Wordplay" is probably too general a theme title. Maybe someone will come up with a clever one later. Do those Amish men wear gray/earth tone cloths at all? Or black and white are their only color choices for clothes?

I've never seen an Amish doll before. The Amish girls I've seen are very humble indeed. They make the best strawberry/raspberry jams.

KittyB said...

Hi, c.c. and dfs.

c.c. I'm amazed at the scope of your knowledge. I would not have thought of changing the clue for AVEC to achieve four styles of art in one puzzle!

Shari Lewis was a wonderful puppeteer who had a white sock puppet called "Lamb Chop" who tended to be saucy, if not badly behaved.

Thanks for the tip on and "Day to Day."

I missed wallet fins" but got it on the perps. It's one piece of slang I haven't heard.

I want to take over my landscaping for the summer! "Rep" can also be applied to bands. In Illinois, exceptional high school musicians from across the state are chosen to attend "AllState." In order to let more students have the experience, some are chosen to prepare a concert, and work on just 8-10 selections. Others are invited to be in the "Rep" band, and those students play as much music as they can get through in about three days. "Repertory" in this case refers to the volume and variety of music, rather than plays.

I think I've seen Amish women and girls in dove gray or slate blue when they are working at home in Indiana and Illinois, but in public places, I think you tend to see the women in dark green, or maybe navy blue, in addition to black. I could be wrong, but I think the colors they wear are determined bythe leader of their particular circle of worship, and my understanding is that the further west you travel from Pennsylvania the more variation you see. The men wear black. White is reserved as a funeral color, perhaps with the exception of the men's shirts.

MH said...

Or maybe the theme should be "Lexical Ambiguity", but I still like "Artistic License" better.

Dennis said...

Good morning, C.C., and fellow DFs - finished the procedure in "Dennis time" - she was in and and in under 10 minutes; no empty spaces. And no problems; thanks again for all the good words. And for those still waiting for the first one, even the prep wasn't a big deal.
As to the puzzle, smooth sailing even in my somewhat foggy state. I liked, of course, "Hals of Montezuma".
I'll check in later with some comments; thanks again.

NYTAnonimo said...

For theme, how about New Perspectives on Artists?

NYTAnonimo said...

or Painters in new Perspectives?

melissa bee said...

good morning c.c. and all,

did not love this 'theme,' if you could call it that.

no stumpers or googling, but i never heard of wallet fins, or trust buster, and i knew shiva but not siva.

i have a dear friend who married an arab .. when their kids are dissheveled or dirty her husband says 'you look like a bedouin.' the dead sea scrolls were discovered in a cave by a bedouin.

@mh: i like 'artistic license.'

@kim: are congratulations in order??

@dennis: yay.

Dr. Dad said...

Dennis - I couldn't help but notice in your comment that you said "she was in and in under 10 minutes." No mention of an "out." Is it still in? If so, you should ask Lois to help you take it out.

Anonymous said...

Hi y'all
amazingly, I finished the puzzle except for the Northwest corner. Had to rely on C.C. for that part.

Answered 5d correctly, but why clue it "divides evenly
by"? Could'nt it be uneven

Chris in LA said...

Good morning CC etal,
Smooth sailing today, although some of the clues were challenging.
Dennis - glad to hear everything went in and out smoothly.
Happy Monday!

lois said...

drdad: be more than happy to oblige. Come with me, Dennis!

lois said...

Dennis: so glad it went well and that even the prep was no big deal..which just shows me that you evidently are just not full of it. No surprise. Afterall, you are such a 'morel' guy!

carol said...

Hi C.C. and you D.F's,
The NW corner had me at a loss too, I never heard of Bling. The rest of the puzzle was not too bad although there were some areas that had me stumped for awhile but I made it without help.

Anon at 6:52, clever!

Dennis, glad everything turned out ok...also nice to know you weren't full of S--- as Lois so wisely pointed out :) :)

Der Katze said...

20A,39A,53A. Then there's this one:
Recently a crook in Paris almost got away with stealing several paintings from the Louvre. After planning the crime, breaking in, evading security, getting out and escaping with the goods, however, he was captured--- only ten blocks away, having run out of gas.

When asked how he could succeed so masterfully in getting in and out of the building but then make such a stupid mistake, he replied:

"I only stole the paintings because I was very poor. I had no Monet to buy Degas to make de Van Gogh."

Anonymous said...

To divide evenly means to have no remainder. For instance, 3 goes into 12 four times evenly. But 3 goes into 10 three times with a remainder of 1, so it is not even.

Crockett1947 said...

Good morning, everyone! Fairly easy one today. 24A was a nice clue. C.C., when one divides a number B by another number A, we in the U.S. are taught to think "How many times does A go into B." If there is no remainder, then the numbers "divide evenly." 16 divided by 4 is 4. 15 divided by 4 is 3.75, so it is not evenly divided. I see Bill already explained this. He's probably responded to the "3R's" question. It's slang for "Readin', wRitin', and aRithmetic." Nope, drdad explained first. Barry, I agree wholehartedly on your cluing comment for 27D. Sallielight, "STOP" also indicated a period in telegrams. Derkatz, ROFLMAO!

Anonymous said...

Der Katz

lovely joke, much appreciated.

mark Buenos Aires

Anonymous said...

I thought it was easy.

Shari Lewis was popular a long time ago. She had a hand puppet called Lambchops.


Anonymous said...

I don't get how 7D, Hack, = Taxi. Thought it might have been raised here already but not yet it seems. Anyone care to explain?

C.C. Burnikel said...

Every new commentator seems to experience some trouble in the beginning. Things will smooth out quickly. I wish I had the patience to read "Eats, Shoots and Leaves".

Mh & NYTanonimo,
I like both "Artistic License" & "Painters in new Perspectives". What do you think of the theme title "Say That Again?".

Now I will remember "bedouin", thank you.

I am so happy that it's a quick in and out.

I have a feeling that you have not solved today's puzzle yet!

melissa bee said...

anonymous @5:08: i had the same question. from wikipedia: The New York terms "hack" (taxi or taxi driver), "hackstand" (taxi stand), and "hack license" (taxi license) are probably derived from "hackney carriage."

C.C. Burnikel said...

Der katze,
Is the thief a French?

Thank you very much for the additional Amish & REP information.

Thank you for echoing my view on III & the explanation on GOES INTO. I only know the Chinese words for the term. GOES INTO only meant ENTERS to me.

C.C. Burnikel said...

Where have you been? What's your answer to Melissa Bee's Saturday 9:29am question? I am curious to know it too.

Anonymous said...

Wallet fins are FIVES, not FILLS. A fin is slang for a five dollar bill. History, of course, is OVER, so how can you get FILLS anyway?

Dick said...

Drdad I guess yesterday was meteor day for Dennis. There must have been an awful crash.

Dick said...

Hello Cc and DFs. Easy one today without any help. I am here late and it looks like all of the questions have been resolved or at least adequately discussed. My only comment is that the Pennsylvania Amish also wear blue pants, shirts and jackets wearing a round straw hat at times, mostly when they are in work clothing.

Crockett1947 said...

Anonymous at 6:44 P.M., what is your reference to FILLS? C.C. had FIVES in her original discussion. I don't understand.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 12:14 pm
Thanks for your answer and I understand your explanation; But my idea is that "goes into" can be either way. for example, 3 will go into 12 four times with no remainder. 3 also goes into 10 three times with one remainder. My point is, it still "goes into". Can you clarify that a little better for me?

JimmyT said...

First time poster on this board and wanted to respond to kittyb. The term "fin" is a term commonly used in carnival slang for a five, single for a one, sawbuck for a ten, half a yard for fifty, yard note for a 100 and a g note for 1000. Of course this is a prior life for me so I am not teaching carny language.

C.C. Burnikel said...

Do you have internet access now?

Thank you very much for the information. Hope to hear from you often.

KittyB said...

jimmyt, had the clue just been "fin," I might have gotten it. For some reason the word "wallet" threw me off. I've heard or read "fin," "sawbuck" and "g-note," but I've never heard of "yard," or "half a yard." Those two would really throw me, because I'd be thinking in gardening terms. Dear Husband needed to refresh my memory. I asked him if he knew the term, and the ensuing discussion helped nudge my memory.

dick, I realized that I should have added shades of dark purple are also used by the Amish. I'm no expert on the subject. Most of what I have learned has come from studying Amish quilts, and by extension, their beliefs. Thanks for the info on the Pennsylvania Amish.

Dick said...

Cc in response to your 5:57am post yesterday I had to come home yesterday because of the severe storms in our area and there were tree limbs all over my property and my tool shed. I cleaned up all of the debris this am and will be going back to my camp this pm and hope to remain there until after the 4th. I do not have access at the camp but if my wife brings her business lap top I may be able to sneak a peek at the site. Probably will not contribute because the connection is a phone modem and it is very slow.

Anyway all of you have a safe and happy fourth of July holiday!

Der Katze said...

25D. I once heard Lasorda explain why so many Italian-Americans are named "Tony". It started at the port in Naples where the authorities, wanting to insure that all their non-English speaking passengers made it to the new world, stamped the destination on their forehead-- To New York (TONY). When they reached Ellis Island the the immigration officals dutifully recorded the name "Tony".