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Feb 9, 2009

Monday February 9, 2009 Ed Voile

Theme: Location, Location, Location

17A: Past it: OVER THE HILL

36A: Focuses: CENTERS

56A: Pressurized: UNDER THE GUN

11D: Precedence: RIGHT OF WAY

27D: Like a southpaw: LEFT-HANDED

Nice puzzle. Simple theme. Perfectly executed. Every theme answer is gridded in its proper position. I would prefer a singular CENTER, but the grid rule dictates an odd-number word in the middle, so CENTERS has to be in plural form.

Disliked the clues for YENS (63A: Yearnings) and OCTET (12D: Octopus arms, e.g.) due to letter duplication. The stale "Group of eight" is just fine for OCTET. As for YENS, I would use a simple "Desires".

Liked the fresh clue for ENTS (54D: Adjective-forming suffixes, as in different). "Tolkien's trees" clue bores me. Happy to see our editor dumped "Poet's dusk" for EEN (37D: Ending for car or cant). But the clue was rather bland. Why not "Car tail?"

Across:

5A: Edouard's paintings: MANETS. Here is "Olympia" again. My favorite MANET. I love those daring eyes, so confronting.

14A: Porto-__, Benin: NOVO. See the bottom. Literally "New port" in Portuguese. I strung the answer together from down clues.

15A: Painter Modigliani: AMEDEO. The Italian painter. Like van Gogh, he died penniless.

21A: Slide, like a snake: SLITHER

24A: Market protests: BOYCOTTS. Named after Charles BOYCOTT, a British land agent who refused to lower rent for his tenant farmers in Ireland.

28A: $5 bill: FIN. Half a sawbuck.

29A: U.N. agcy.: ILO. Nobel Peace winner 1969. I did not know they belong to the UN.

31A: Eur. carrier: SAS. Sometimes the answer is KLM.

35A: One-time female mil. grp.: WAF. Women in the Air Force (1948-1976). New abbreviation to me.

38A: Female GI, once: WAC. Women's Army Corps (1943-1978). Saw this clue before.

39A: Compromise: SETTLE. Litigation-wise?

41A: Stephen or Chris: REA. Know Stephen REA ("Michael Collins" & "The Crying Game"). Have never heard of the British singer Chris REA.

42A: Polanki's Sharon: TATE. Was aware of the murder story, did not know her name. I am accustomed to the TATE Museum clue.

45A: Point NW of San Francisco: REYES. See the map. REYES is the plural form of REY, Spanish for king. Vs the Spanish Queen REINA.

50A: Made to join a mortise: TENONED. Did not know TENON can be a verb.

59A: Carolina river: PEE DEE. New river to me. Named after a Native American tribe.

62A: Lost sheep: STRAYS. Kept reading the clue as "Lost sleep".

Down:

5D: Olympic skier Phil: MAHRE. Foreign to me. British spelling to Maher (Bill Maher)? He does not look as cool as Bode Miller.

7D: Bk. after Ezra: NEH. Before Esth.

9D: Actor Savalas: TELLY. Have never heard of this actor. Wikipedia says he is the godfather to Jennifer Aniston, who is also of Greek root. I thought he has British blood, with this name TELLY.

10D: Importunes: SOLICITS

18D: Sales rep's domain: TERR

22D: Enameled metalware: TOLE. French for "Sheet metal". Most of the TOLE trays seem to have flowers painted on.

24D: Small bars: BISTROS. Some of the BISTROS are quite big.

26D: Winglike parts: ALAE. ALA is singular for Latin "wing". I wonder why the plural is not ALAS.

32D: Monterrey Mrs.: SRA. Alliteration again.

33D: Lot: FATE. The answer did not come to me easily. I was not in the "destiny" direction.

40D: Ex-Yankee Martinez: TINO. Yankees' ex-first base. Was replaced by Jason Giambi in 2001.

46D: One Barrymore: ETHEL. Dennis quoted her last Monday: "You must learn day by day, year by year, to broaden your horizon. The more things you love, the more things you are interested in, the more you enjoy, the more you are indignant about, the more you have left when anything happens."

47D: Jerry Stiller's Anne: MEARA. Ben Stiller's mother. I obtained her name from across fills.

52D: "The Night of the Hunters" screenwriter: AGEE. Also the screenwriter of "The African Queen". He drank a lot a lot.

53D: Actor Moses: GUNN. Completely unknown to me. Wikipedia says Moses GUNN was in "Roots". I don't remember seeing him though.

C.C.

60 comments:

Dennis said...

Good morning, C.C. and gang - got through this without g-spotting, but I definitely needed perp help to do it. Didn't know Amedeo Modigliani, Moses Gunn, Porto-Novo or Reyes. I didn't like seeing both 'icy' and 'ices', and 'WAF' and 'WAC'. And I only knew the PeeDee River because I cross it every time I run down to Atlanta to see old (and I mean old) classmates.

Today is both Toothache Day and Clean Out Your Computer Day.

Today's Words of Wisdom: "To me, life is like the back nine in golf. Sometimes you play better on the back nine. You may not be stronger, but hopefully you're wiser. And if you keep most of your marbles intact, you can add a note of wisdom to the coming generation." -- Clint Eastwood

C. C. said...

Dennis,
You must have crossed the River Lethe, AMEDEO has appeared in our puzzle at least twice before. Golfers sometimes play the back nine better because they are tired and they don't swing so hard. Balls needs to be coddled, don't you think so? Nice and easy, it goes a long way. I meant to complain about ICE and ICY too, but I forgot.

C. C. said...

NYTanonimo,
I am all for "Early to bed, early to rise".

Lemonade,
Do you get LA Times/NY Times every day or only on Sundays?

Wolfmom,
Congratulations and Good luck on Friday.

Crockett,
Same question: Premier puzzle (Frank Longo) and NY Times every day or only on weekend? So happy that you found me a year ago. I am still fascinated to read what you have to say about the puzzle every day.

Dennis said...

C.C., Amedeo could've appeared yesterday and I doubt I'd remember it.

Balls needs to be coddled, don't you think so? Nice and easy, it goes a long way.

Yeah, you've gone to the dark side. Welcome.

Off to the gym.

C. C. said...

Dennis,
Ah, I forgot. You don't like your eggs to be coddled. I also forgot to ask you earlier: Do you know the forgetful herb Nepenthes?

Dawn,
I tried, but my scanner simply refused to work.

Clear Ayes,
Thanks for the "woman scorned" explanation. Liked the examples you cited.

Ink,
Your Saint & Key & Peter connection is very interesting.

C. C. said...

PromiseMe,
I am all for natural food, except brown rice. It's not true that US introduced the white rice to Asia during Vietnam war. Polished rice has been in consumption in Asia for a long long time. And there is a reason for that. Brown rice is simply too hard for human to digest. You can find plenty of sources for Vitamin B1. And the fiber lost during the milling process is very negligible. Plus, Asians eat plenty of fresh veggies and fruits on daily basis to compensate for any nutrient loss, subconsciously I think.

Dick said...

Good morning CC and all,...this was a difficult puzzle for me. If I ever saw Amedeo Modigliani I simply forgot. Other unknowns are Moses Gunn, Porto-Novo, PeeDee and Reyes. I had "push"" for 45D which gave "Peyes" for 45A and that looked fine to me. I guess for a Monday this one seemed very hard for me.

Most of the snow melted here this weekend. Once again we can see the grass and that is a good thing. Hope you all have a great Monday.

Martin said...

Well, I bought the newspaper today and worked on this puzzle for fifty minutes until I had to stop because I had Chinese class. When I got home I goggled MANETS, AMEDEO, ETHEL, MEARA, TINO and PEEDEE. I still couldn't figure out TOLE or ILO but by this time the puzzle was online so I checked out the answer. Turns out ILO is the International Labour Organisation. I was thinking of either the IMF (International Monetary Fund) or the WHO (World Health Organisation).

For BISTROS ("Small bars") I wanted HANDLES. You know, handle bars, like on a bike. Then I remembered that a $5 bill is a FIN and then things started to get going. I never did get EMANATES without perp help: I wanted RADIATES, even though I was pretty darn sure LEFT HANDED was the answer for "Like a southpaw". Oh and "Highland fellow" suggested an adult to me, not a LAD: I considered the possibility that "Highland" refered to Heaven and the answer was GOD! I also considered PUSH for RUSH ("Get a move on").

Besides "Yeraning" and YENS and "Octopus arms" and OCTET, I noticed the duplication of letters in "Slide, like a snake" and SLITHER. ICY and ICES, WAF and WAC and ROD and RON were strangely similar fills too.

Telly Savalas' real name is Aristotelis Savalas. That's a very Greek name. George Michael, the singer who started out as half of WHAM is also of Greek origin and his real name is Georgios Kyriacos Panayiotou.

Jerry Stiller was Frank Costanza on Sienfeld. Anne Meara was Veronica Rooney on Archie Bunkers Place. Ethel Barrymore was Drew Barrymore's Great Aunt and she won an academy award for her supporting role in the 1944 movie None But the Lonely Heart. Her real name was Ethel Mae Blythe.

Finally, Latin plurals don't end in S: they end in either I or E. It's odd then that modern words pluralize by adding an S.

Martin

Anonymous said...

14:32 for me today.

Martinez's nick name from Yankee fans was the Great Bam Tino. a variation of of the Great Bambino (Ruth)

Tino retired from baseball and took a job with ESPN 2006

In 2008, Martinez agreed to be a special instructor for the Yankees to help their first basemen with defensive skills. After Spring Training, he was named Special Assistant to the General Manager.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tino_Martinez

I remember Moses Gunn as Bumpy Jonas in Shaft 1970(Richard Roundtree) Moses was also in Shafts Big Score in 1971.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-8w4GR4UiY

Col_Gopinath said...

Good evening from India,
reasonably easy one today, got delayed with the names in the SE corner. Remember bald guy Telly Savalas from movies during my college days especially MacKenna's Gold with Gregory Peck and Omar Sharif and also in the TV series Kojak
I liked the words of wisdom on gof, very true indeed as I am learning golf at this age!!
Off for a walk with the dog
Cheerio

Barry G. said...

Morning, folks!

Not a bad puzzle today. Like Dennis, I didn't care for ICY and ICES & WAC and WAF in the same puzzle, but I can live with it. And I agree with C. C. that the cluing for OCTET was bad (although I had no problem with "Yearning" for YEN).

The only real problem I saw was the clue for HIE. It means hurry, not encourage to hurry. Oh -- and once again we saw ADES clued as an actual word and not just as the mere suffix it actually is.

My unknowns today were AMEDEO, REYES, NOVO, GUNN, TINO, PEEDEE and EDA. I was able to get all of them via the perps except for the crossing of PEEDEE and EDA (which I got via a semi-educated guess). I know I've seen both PEEDEE and EDA in the grid before, but they just didn't stick to my Teflon-coated brain.

Barry G. said...

Oh -- and it was also nice to see a $5 bill be a FIN instead of an ABE.

Anonymous said...

Kojack episode Birthday Party

Special guest star Richard Gere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYCaoNOYxmU

Anonymous said...

Happy Monday:

ADE is a word; it is a descriptive noun. We get those puzzles only on Sunday. Latin never added S to make things plural; with the AE ending the most common. http://www.class.uidaho.edu/luschnig/EWO/1.htm; there are many words that end in "S" for which the plural is the same, like virus. There also are words that change from "IS" to "ES" for the plural. I think some of the constructors think it is witty to use similar words in puzzles, like WAF and WAC.
The greatest golf story , is when Arnold Palmer burst on the scene, winning the Masters, he and his wife, Winnie, appeared on Johnny Carson's Tonight show. Johnny asked her if there was anything she did to inspire him before a tournament. She calmly said, "Oh yes, the night before, I kiss his balls for luck." Many are still laughing

Anonymous said...

Oh, Stiller and Meara were a very successful stand up couple, touring and on television. The red headed catholic Irishwoman, all tall and elegant, and the little ascerbic Jewish man was fodder, for much silliness. Kojak made lollipops cool for a while.

NYTAnonimo said...

Did not know Moses GUNN. And I had ESTS for 54D making UNDERTHEGAS-LOL! (Time for more coffee.)

Had heard the song by Chris REA but did not know of him.

Had to use the down clues to get some of the others also-AMEDEO, NOVO, PEEDEE.

Have you checked out this Famous Paintings site yet C.C.? I bet you'd be good at it.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Adlai Stevenson. He dated Lauren Bacall for some time, right?

I wasn't able to find a mention on his wikipedia page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adlai_Stevenson

On hers it mentions that she was a supporter and gave speeches but doesn't mention the affair either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Bacall

She was married Bogart around the time Adlei got divorced. SO maybe that was the reason.

February 7, 2009 8:52 AM

CC,

Allow me to introduce myself I'm Red Smitty

Chris in LA said...

Good morning CC etal,

Been lurking for a while but had to comment re: Telly Savalas. Besides "Kojak" (who loves ya' baby?) my favorite role was in the film "Kelly's Heroes" - star-studded cast (besides Savalas it included Clint Eastwood, Don Rickles, Donald Sutherland, Carol O'Connor, and many more). Picked it up via Netflix a couple of weeks ago. If you haven't seen it, it's worth a look-see, if it's been a while, check it out again. Great laughs and, as I understand, it was the rough basis for the sit-com "Hogan's Heroes" for those of you insomniacs who might occasionally check out TV Land on late-night cable.

Otherwise, nothing much to add that hasn't already been mentioned except I thought ROD was kind of a stretch for "gat" and didn't like the "verb-ization" of TENONED.

Hope all have a happy Monday!

NYTAnonimo said...

Forgot to mention-intersting blog by a guy volunteering with the peace Corp in Benin.

Argyle said...

56A: Pressurized: UNDER THE GUN

This is the clue I liked least. I could see Being pressured or Late for a deadline but not an increase in PSI.

lois said...

Good morning CC et al., First one out of the chute was 'ades' and I thought of Barry G right away. What a way to start a Mon! 51A is awkward to me....way by? That one is way out there. Got it but don't like it. Like Dennis, I know the PeeDee River. Both the PeeDee River
and the Neuse River are crossed in Carolina. I always wondered if they were connected...somebody in a 'noose peed de river'... I sure would've...and added some boulders as well.

There seemed to be a little touch of violence to the puzzle to me w/the Tate and all the gun references plus tensely, redder (blood?),sorties, settle, prey, terr(itory), strays (as in oops! missed! let me try again for infidelity (straying)), WAC (whack!), clean up & baler (bailer). Just wonder if Ed Voile is having some personal issues that are subtly being exposed. Maybe it's all a warning. Just look: with Edison adjacent to Telly?.'Eddie's son' 'telly'=told on the slithering snake for a 'fin'? Well, if any of this is true, I will personally raise the PeeDee River to flood level!

Enjoy your Monday!

redsmitty said...

42A: Polanki's Sharon: TATE. Was aware of the murder story, did not know her name. I am accustomed to the TATE Museum clue.

Wasn't Sharon Tate the girl who was killed by Charlie Manson family?

I wonder what the motive was.

kazie said...

Hi all,
Like the rest of you, I expected the outcry over ICE/ICY, but also GUNN and "under the GUN". I got several via perp/cross help and guesses today, but missed the A of AMEDEO/MAHRE and the D in PEEDEE/EDA.

I really liked Telly's Kojak roll. He was also good in "The Dirty Dozen".

Anonymous said...

C.C. - Point Reyes was part of the setting for the Hitchcock thriller "The Birds". It can be seen from atop Mount Tamalpias in Marin County just across the Golden Gate Bridge from San Fran. From the top of that mountain, one can see the Pacific Ocean AND San Francisco Bay and The City. This is one of the most spectacular views anywhere. Anyone who hasn't visited there will do themselves a favor to get out there and take in the splendor of it all.

Hayrake

Martin said...

Wasn't Sharon Tate the girl who was killed by Charlie Manson family? I wonder what the motive was.

According to her write-up on wikipedia, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

"On June 15, 1970, Manson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten were sent to trial while Watson remained in Texas fighting attempts to extradite him. The details of the trial were reported throughout the world. Kasabian proved to be a reliable and consistent witness. She told of a hippie group and its leader Charles Manson, a thwarted musician who believed a race war was imminent. He believed the music of The Beatles warned of the coming holocaust, which he referred to as Helter Skelter, after the Beatles song, and also believed that only the 'chosen', his 'family', would survive. Briefly associated with Terry Melcher, Manson had believed Melcher would foster his musical aspirations; when this did not occur, Manson felt infuriated and betrayed. Manson believed that he would bring about the race war by having his followers slaughter wealthy people in their homes and cast suspicion on black militant groups such as the Black Panthers. In his carefully thought out scenario, Manson saw the blacks winning the war, but being too inept to run the nation. Manson reasoned they would then turn to him for help and make him ruler. He had been to the Cielo Drive address, and although he knew Melcher had moved, the house represented his rejection by the show business establishment. He instructed Watson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Kasabian to go to the house 'and kill everyone there', while he remained in their camp at Spahn's Movie Ranch."

Martin

wolfmom said...

First...C.C. Thank you.

I got dizzy from going round in circles on this one but finally completed it except that I had PeeVee, with eVa as the cross, never having heard of either. I actually figured out the theme which helped, except, like Argyle I had put in UNDER and couldn't finish out the line...thinking it had to do with pressurized air..Had MAHRE, then took it out, then put it back in as I wanted Emileo for some reason for Modigliani...and so it goes. Same objections to similar words.

Martin: Lad is a general term in Scotland as in "he's quite the LAD".One of my Scottish friends says things like "she's nae a bright lassie..."( she's a bit snarky at times).There is not an age connection to the terms.

Dennis: Great quote! I just knew that C.C. would DF on that one.

Crockett1947 said...

C.C. Thank you. The Premier puzzle is only on Sunday. The other days we get the TMS and NYT. Any idea about the size of that Nepenthes flower?

Welcome, Red Smitty.

Everyone have a great Monday!

Clear Ayes said...

Good Morning All, I got hung up on the cross of 57D and 59A. I had never heard of the PEEDEE River and EDA slipped my mind. Abbreviations are often difficult for me, so TERR, NEH, ILO and WAF were solved with perp help.

Other than Kojak, I best remember TELLY Savalas as Gomez, the prisoner in a neighboring cell, in The Birdman of Alcatraz, starring Burt Lancaster. Savalas was nominated for a Best Supporting Actor Academy Award for his role.

For Golf Addicted Husband, the back nine is usually his nemesis, so maybe I won't share today's Words of Wisdom. He might take it personally :o) He is out there again this morning. We had some much needed rain last night, so the 90-Degree Rule is in effect at our course. He doesn't care. The only time he won't golf is when carts aren't allowed out at all.

Argyle, Absolutely right. The clue for UNDER THE GUN should not be "pressurized".

Lois, Clever connections on today's puzzle.

Vincent Bugliosi's book, "Helter Skelter" is an up close and personal view (he was the prosecuting attorney in the Manson trial) of the "Who, What, Where, When and Why" in the Tate/LaBianca murders and subsequent trials.

Dennis said...

Do you know the forgetful herb Nepenthes?

No, but there's something vaguely familiar about it....I can't quite put my finger......ah, ok, now remember!

dougl said...

Hi CC,

As to white vs. brown rice, I am curious what you think of wild rice?

(sure, it's not really rice, but it is considered such a delicacy in MN)

Clear Ayes said...

Redsmitty, I love your photo...Red and Proud!! I miss the strawberry blonde of my youth. Sadly, it has faded and grayed although L'Oreal helps to keep up the illusion. I checked your blog and am so sorry for your loss. Your daughters are gorgeous.

Here's a Carl Sandburg poem for all the rare and beautiful redheads out there.

Red-headed Restaurant Cashier

SHAKE back your hair, O red-headed girl.
Let go your laughter and keep your two proud freckles on your chin.
Somewhere is a man looking for a red-headed girl and some day maybe he will look into your eyes for a restaurant cashier and
find a lover, maybe.
Around and around go ten thousand men hunting a red headed girl with two freckles on her chin.
I have seen them hunting, hunting.
Shake back your hair; let go your laughter.

DoesItinInk said...

This puzzle was an easy start to the week. It would have been easier if I had not kept reading “yearnings” as “yearlings” and if I knew how to spell STEFFI Graf’s name. My only slip was the cross of PEE DEE and EDA. I had V instead of D, even though we had “Author LeShan” recently. I just did not remember her first name.

@Dennis…I saw Clint Eastwood this weekend in a rerun of the tv show Rawhide, a favorite of mine when I was a kid. (I could sing the entire theme song.) It is hard to realize that the youthful Rowdy Yates is also the star of Gran Torino.

@NYTAnomino…thanks for the link to the blog by the Peace Corps volunteer in Benin. I will pass it on to my middle daughter who wants to join the Peace Corps when she graduates from college.

Razzberry said...

Here's one from Chris Rea Texas. Chris has some other great cuts like The Road to Hell...

Jeannette said...

I usually lurk - but have to jump in with a Telly Savales memory - When a much younger Queen Elizabeth visited the White House (Reagans?), Savales was invited to the state dinner. The TV commentator explained, as he met her in the receiving line, that she was a big Kojak fan - she gave him the biggest smile, and almost blushed!

CC - I love your comments - and help. Everyone else's input, too.
Glad I found you online. Thanks.

Dick said...

@ Lemonade,..The story you quoted about Winnie Palmer is not true. I have know Winnie (before her passing) and Arnold Palmer for many years and that story has been circulating for almost as many years. I assure you it never happened. Winnie was too much of a lady to ever say something like that.

carol said...

Hello C.C.and everyone...this was difficult for me - I had to give up on 5A, I was thinking of the genre rather than the painters last name. Much the same with 33D. I kept thinking of an acre. I also had the same trouble as Doesitinink when trying to spell Steffi.

Well, here's to coddled balls..and I thought it was only done to eggs!

Lois, clever take on the violent side in the puzzle, that didn't occur to me.

Redsmitty, welcome- hope you will stay with us. Your daughters are beautiful and I too am sorry for your loss. You sound like a terrific Dad!

Clear ayes, what is a 90-degree rule?

PromiseMeThis said...

Good Afternoon C.C. and Co.,

C.C.,
According to the Cambridge World History of Food, "Brown rice is difficult to digest due to its high fiber content ...". This seems to agree with you. Yet I might suggest that difficult can be a relative term. Also, what's good for the goose is not always good for the gander. While Asians might tend to eat a diet high in fruits and vegetables, the same cannot be said for Americans. Humans need approximately 30 grams of fiber per day. Americans typically fall well short of that. If I am not mistaken our average daily fiber intake is something more like 10 grams. That is a serious shortfall. Therefore, eating brown rice is a very good idea.
As for my assertion that white rice was introduced during the Vietnam War, you may well be right and I may well be mistaken. I am sure that I recall reading something to that effect, though. Perhaps it is that mass milling was introduced at that time. Prior to mechanized milling it was all done by hand using mortar and pestle, which is very time consuming. No doubt many questioned whether this was a worthwhile use of valuable time. I am sure people all over Asia ate non-milled rice, as a rule. Personally, I love whole grain Basmati. In my estimation, it cannot be beat.

Bill said...

I've seen better but I've seen worse, too. Finished it after a lot of bouncing around, a short break and another cup of coffee.
When I got OVERTHEHILL, I thought this was going to be a senior citizens grid! But, nothing as sinister. I hesitated with SLither for SLide; YEns for YEarnings; ICES and ICY. Also had a small problem with STEFFI, I thought it was STEFFIE.
But, solved it with no help, just plodding around.
Carol, I'll hazard a guess as to the the degree rule. When the course is wet and the golf carts make a 90 degree turn, I'm sure it will tear up the turf. Not quite as easy to repair as replacing a divot.
CY'All later

redsmitty said...

Carol. Clear Ayes and Crockett,

Thanks for the welcome and the kind words. TO Clear Ayes thanks for the poem I will share it with Samantha and Erika.

Dick said...

@ Carol 3:54 ...The 90 degree rule is you must keep the golf cart on the cart path, between the tee and the green and if you go onto the fairway you must enter and return at 90 degrees to the cart path.

Anonymous said...

21A: Slide, like a snake: SLITHER


Slither is a song by Metallica

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ZN7np0iAc

I think that should have been on the movie soundtrack Snakes On a Plane.

Congrats on their Grammy wins last night!

Best Metal Song : My Apocalypse

Best Recording Package : Death Magnetic

carol said...

Bill and Dick, thanks for the 90-degree explanation....I have never golfed (for real), only played it on Wii. My sister on the other hand, is a great golfer and so is her husband...they always take their clubs no matter where they travel.

Bill said...

Thanks, Dick. I thought it was a good guess. That shows how much I don't know about golf. I did play, once, and really didn't do too badly,
but never went again.

Anonymous said...

Dick: There is ongoing controversy about whether the Winnie Palmer story ever happened. In fairness, there was never was the slightest suggestion she was being risque, merely an accidental event. I certainly agree she lived her life with dignity, but we are all fallible. I cannot say with 100% certainty it happened, but there aremany who say they saw it. Sadly, the tapes are destroyed. I publish one authors comments:



"It did happen as Urban Legend has it. I saw it with my own eyes. Heard it with my own ears. And I've spoken with at least a half-dozen others my age who were watching The Tonight Show the night it happened and remember
it, too.

What is somewhat fuzzy in the years since is whether it was Winnie Palmer who said it, or whether it was Arnold. That part I don't recall with
certainty. But my recollection is that Winnie accompanied her husband and sat on the couch as Arnold sat in the "guest chair."

The way I recall it is that Carson turned to Winnie Palmer and asked if she and her husband had any pre-tournament superstitions. To which she replied, "He has me kiss his balls."

I saw it happen on the old Tonight Show when it first aired. And so did several friends of mine. We all remember it pretty much the same way..."

I personally do not care if it was real or not, it is still a funny story, and see no aspersion to her character. I think Arnold and Winnie are/were the best.

Dennis said...

I thought I remembered seeing that show too, so I did some checking.

According to Arnold Palmer's representative, Winnie never appeared on the Tonight Show.

Several years ago, Jay Leno had Arnie on and asked about it. The exchange went something like this:

Leno: ".....apparently Johnny said 'is there anything your wife does to bring you good luck?'"
Palmer: "No".
Carson: "Does your wife kiss your balls before you go play?"
Palmer: "I don't even go to bed without pajamas."


So I guess I read the story often enough to actually believe I saw it.

Clear Ayes said...

Dick, Right on with the 90-Degree Rule explanation. It seemed to agree with G.A.H. today. He is usually in the mid 90's. In spite of a soggy course, he finished up with an 87. He has a 20 handicap, which brought him down to a net 67.

Doesitinink, What red-blooded American girl didn't have a crush on Rowdy Yates? I can understand why you were a fan...."Head 'em up. Move 'em out...Rawhide!"

PromiseMeThis, I'll be honest in saying that the main reason I try to steer clear of "white" foods is that they are usually high calorie. I always have to watch what I eat, or I will balloon up like....well...a balloon. I do like the flavor of brown rice. I haven't found a short grain brand to make brown risotto. Do you know of one that really makes good creamy risotto, or am I dreaming?

Anonymous said...

Dot: (From yesterday,) MHCP stands for methylhydroxchalonepolymer...a chemical name if ever there was one. It is listed as a "supplement" derived from cinnamon. Most likely it is a distillation of the therapeutic properties of cinnamon, but "as close to nature as possible" is probably the best way to go.

Thea said...

Just to add a little home state trivia for the gang. Phil and Steve Mahre are twins from Yakima, Washington and Tino Martinez got his start with the Seattle Mariners. Along with Edgar they made up a formidable "Double Martinez" in 1995 and helped put the Mariners on the map.

Anonymous said...

Evening CC and all.
Pee Dee is pretty familiar to carolinians. Its a geographical area in the central part of the State as opposed to Upstate and Low country closer to the coast. Also there is the Great Pee Dee and Little Pee Dee rivers.

They say the Masters does not begin until the back nine on Sun. Maybe life is likewise.

Clear ayes. Coincidentally had a similar score today net 67 off 18 handicap. First really nice day we have had this year.

Jimmy, S Carolina.

BobR said...

Just curious if there is different name to describe us "lurkers"?

Really enjoy learning from all of you, but by this time of the day, not much to add.

Dennis said...

BobR, I think the name is 'future bloggers'.

Crockett1947 said...

How about "interested observers?"

carol said...

Clear ayes, about your comment (and some others) that "white foods" are not good for you...mostly that is correct with the exception of the potato. That poor vegetable gets the worst "press"! The potato has:
40% of Vitamin C
20% of Potassium
6% Iron
No Cholesterol, no fat
Great source of Vitamin B6
High in fiber
It is what we put ON a potato that causes a problem. When eating a baked potato (skin too), put low fat cottage cheese or low fat sour cream on them. I always squirt mine with a little "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" first.
:)

Clear Ayes said...

Carol, I'm not any kind of an expert about which foods are better for us than others. My choice of food generally has to do with what keeps the pounds off. I really wish that "white" foods liked my hips better (or is it liked them less? :o) than they do. However, I do eat baked potatoes. It is a sad thing to forego the butter and sour cream...and sometimes I give in. But generally a nice baked potato with fresh salsa is very tasty and I know it is healthy.

About butter....When I was a kid, my parents never had butter in the house. As a matter of fact, in the olden days, we had those plastic pouches of white margarine that had a little button of food color that had to broken and kneaded into the margarine. That was my job. I swore when I grew up, I would never have anything other than real butter in MY house. I've kept that promise to myself. I don't eat much butter (I usually eat my morning toast plain), but once in a while, nothing tastes as good!

As long as I don't have to give up my evening glass (or two) of wine, I'm doing fine. Please folks, if you've heard anything bad about wine....don't tell me!

JD said...

Good evening C.C. and all, always a little late,

The hardest area on this c/w today was the bistros/boycotts; it was 1 letter at a time. I do have one blank. What is square 51??

Must add is what has already been said aboutthe beauty of Point Reyes. It is there where you can go see the Elephant seals gather to mate and give birth. Since it is on a "cape" you can also see the Gray Whales migration without going out on a boat. The coastline north of SF is very rugged and rocky with many charming coastal towns.Great lighthouses.

Welcome redsmitty..( beautiful daughters!),interested observers, and future bloggers.

Dennis, great quote from Clint

wolfmom said...

Dot...thanks for the update...that is quite a mouthful!

Carol...I read somewhere that potatoes and whole milk actually supply a fairly well rounded and healthy meal...Way to go mashed potatoes!...add 4 oz of "real" or artisan hard(aged) cheese and you also get the majority of the calcium you need. Don't get me started...Oh, and also use the real stuff...it tastes better, you use less and it is far healthier.

ClearAyes: Stick(haha) with the real butter, it is far healthier and there are so many great ones out there.

Regardless of what the ingredients are, things have to be done to all that fake stuff to get it to solidify...process, process, process...remember, natural is always better. The joke with I Can't Believe It's Not Butter is the squeeze stuff costs more and has the solidifying ingredient left out...so...it should be cheaper. If you can follow a food back to where it comes from you can make better food choices. OK...will get off my soapbox now.

BobR: Always join in...Dennis and the right-coasters always get all the good stuff, us left coasters are left with the tidbits and the "Yeah...same for me". There is always an interesting thread running through each day that takes off from what C.C. throws out at us or sometimes it just takes on a life of its own...so always join in...the more the merrier.

Welcome also to RedSmitty...what a great photo and I, like ClearEyes checked out your blog...you are a terrific dad and your daughters are lovely. I have 2 grown ones myself...you are in for a lot of fun!

redsmitty said...

Thanks for the compliment JD & Wolfmom.

carol said...

Wolfmom and Clear ayes, I agree- natural is always better and I do use real butter in some things I cook. I just don't use much of any of it and when it comes to putting a little on baked potatoes, I would rather use a tiny bit of the spray margarine. I know it is artificial but in tiny amounts it is not all that bad. Too much of anything is not good. I don't diet - I get plenty of exercise and watch portions but eat healthy. That's basically it...no magic, no miracles..just knowledge of what works and what is hype (and there is a LOT of that).

Crockett1947 said...

@jd 51A PASSAGES 51D PREY

JD said...

Thanks Crockett!Ah! My mistake was the spelling of tensely.. spelling perpendicular doesn't always work for me.-ascage.. didn't work.