Feb 5, 2009

Thursday February 5, 2009 Alan P. Olschwang

Theme: Irrational Rationale

20A: Start of George Bernard Shaw quote: NOTHING IS EVER

38A: Part 2 of quote: ACCOMPLISHED BY A

56A: End of quote: REASONABLE MAN

Do you consider this as a REASONABLE quote? George Bernard Shaw was an activist, so this quote may be his excuse for any excesses he may commit. Here is a site with more of his quotes (and there are a lot of them).

The quote does encourage audacity and creativity, right? I wasted some valuable time at upper right corner this morning. Wrote down WENT instead of PART for 10A: Split, thinking the clue is a past tense. The down fills today seem to be a bit harder than across ones.

For those whose paper does not carry TMS Sunday puzzle, here is another TMS syndication puzzle. Hope you are interested. Argyle will blog this puzzle on Sunday.


14A: Kosher: LEGIT. "Not kosher" is TREF.

15A: Aces, sometimes: ONES: When playing Black Jack, ACES may count as one or eleven.

19A: Loan letters: MTGE (Mortgage). Someone mentioned the other day that HMO stands for "Homeowners Insurance" in real estate term. A rare bright spot on the housing market, the pending home sales index is up. The prices might be way down.

23A: Charlotte-to-Raleigh dir.: ENE. Got the answer from down fills. Had no idea of the exact direction.

24A: Nat. interest watchdog: CIA. Wasn't Obama supposed to nominate someone new for the CIA director post? How come the head is still Michael Hayden?

25A: Strauss opera: SALOME. I forgot. Faintly remembered "Dance of the Seven Veils" though. The opera was based on a play by Oscar Wilde. SALOME was the daughter of Herodias and stepdaughter of Herod Antipas and it was she who asked for the head of John the Baptist on a platter. Dictionary says SALOME is Hebrew for "peace". Is it related to "shalom" then?

28A: Painted ponies: PINTOS. I don't understand this clue? Why "Painted"? I adore Michael Learns to Rock's "Paint my Love", though I don't think my love will be "a picture of thousands sunsets".

35A: A.E.C. successor: NRC. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, created in 1975.

37A: Prince Valiant's son: ARN. He is getting old in the comic strip, too. NYTanonimo just blogged this enty at her Barry Silk post. She also mentioned that LETT is an archaic word for Latvian, yet our editor keeps using "Riga resident" for LETT. I don't know. Whatever, I will just LETT it be.

43A: Brit's raincoat: MAC

50A: "Seinfeld" gal: ELAINE

64A: Burnsian hillside: BRAE. I did not know "Burnsian" refers to Robert Burns. Thought it might be a Scottish town. Interesting origin: BRAE is rooted in Old Norse word "Bra" meaning eyebrow. I don't really know what a BRAE is. This picture came up when I googled the word.

66A: Fertilizer ingredient: NITER. "Gunpowder ingredient" as well.

67A: Comic Martin: MULL. Easy answer. But I've never heard of Martin MULL before.


2D: Detroit dud: LEMON. Poor Detroit, hit so hard by the recession, and the Lions, and an unfaithful mayor.

3D: Striped gem: AGATE. It's not a previous gem, isn't it? I only know marbles are made of AGATE.

5D: Impassivity: STOICISM. Stoic was founded by Zeno, Zeno of Citium. Not the paradox guy Zeno of ELEA, our crossword stalwart.

10D: __ Sue Martin: PAMELA. Not a familiar actress to me. What movie is she famous for?

11D: Old navigation instrument: ASTROLABE. No idea. Looks complicated. The word starts with ASTRO. Has to be related with stars then.

12D: Fix, in a way: RIG

22D: Anatomical duct: VAS. Latin for "vessel". Plural is vasa. Unknown to me. I've never heard of the sperm transporting tube "VAS deferens" either.

26D: Martin and Pickford: MARYS. MARY Martin was an Tony-winning actress. MARY Pickford was an Oscar-winning Canadian actress. Both were strangers to me.

28D: PGA member: PRO. Quite true.

34D: Of an insurance job: ACTUARIAL. Only knew actuary.

36D: Little angel: CHERUB. This is the famous Vanity Fair magazine cover when the author used CHERUB to describe Scarlett Johansson.

40D: Aubergine: EGGPLANT. Nightshade vegetable. I like the purple slim ones on the right.

49D: Irish playwright: O'CASEY (Seán). Another guess. He wrote "The Plough and the Stars".

54D: Actress Claire: DANES. She played Meryl Streep's daughter in "The Hours".

58D: Scottish headland: NESS. Or "Famous T-man Eliot". Kevin Costner is great in "The Untouchables".

C.C & Argyle


Dennis said...

Good morning, C.C. and gang - got through this one without g-spotting, but only because of the perps. Never heard of an 'astrolabe', took a while for 'mtge' to dawn on me, couldn't remember 'Arn', and also forgot that 'aubergine' is eggplant. Didn't understand the quote either. Not a bad puzzle otherwise.

Today is National Weatherman's Day.

Today's Words of Wisdom: "The great thing about getting older is that you don't lose all the other ages you've been." -- Writer Madeleine L'Engle

Anonymous said...

Good morning:

I woke up at 430 this am, so I was doing the puzzle by 500, and thought it was a fun one, though I made it harder by putting LEGAL in for LEGIT. PAMELA Sue Martin was a TV actress who starred as Nancy Drew, and then had a year on DYNASTY before being replaced by Emma Samms (a real cutie pie); have not seen PAMELA in years. Martin Mull, is stll active, but is most famous also for TV, on the cult classic "SOAP" where he was so popular, when they killed him off, the fans were upset they brought him back as his twin brother. I loved ASTROLABE, theere is a big museum in Chicago. Well it in the 30's in South Floirda and wee don't have fireplaces, so I must go warm myself by the stove. A great day to all

C.C. Burnikel said...

I don't fully grok the quote either, though I do think most of the things are accomplished by those who dare.

I thought TV Guide sang its swan song long time ago. Is it still in existence? Thanks for the help earlier.

It's a reflection of a society's healthy democracy when visiting leaders encounter protests. But shoe-throwing at WEN or Bush was an appalling form of protest.

Dick et al,
Thanks Punxsutawney and other replies to my questions.

Anonymous said...


Pamela Sue Martin played Nancy Drew in a TV miniseries in 1978. She was also on Dynasty. She posed nude in Playboy during the time she was TV's Nancy Drew.

NYTAnonimo said...

I was slowed down in the upper right corner too C.C.. Put in LEFT instead of PART for 10A-Split up and that also slowed me down considerably.

Didn't know MULL Martin either-just kept wanting to put Steve Martin in a space where he wouldn't fit! PAMELA Sue Martin and Claire DANES guesses too.

Looking forward to Argyle's blog.

Martin said...

12 minutes, 17 seconds: I would have finished sooner but the quip made no sense to me. I also wanted CLEAN for LEGIT (as in Kosher food) and LARVA for IMAGO. Is MTGE a LEGITimate abreviation for mortgage? After all, the T is silent.

Hmm. PAMELA Sue Martin, MARY Martin and Martin MULL. What's up with that?


Dick said...

Good morning CC and all. Today's puzzle was not a walk in the park for me, but doable. I never heard of comic Mull Martin and for some reason I really struggled to remember George Orwell. The other problem was I kept trying to insert "stolidism" for 5D and it just had too many letters. Also, like CC I knew actuary and not actuarial, but I made a good guess.

Hope you all have a great Thursday. BTW where is Buckeye?

Barry G. said...

Morning, all!

Nice easy puzzle for me today. I only needed the quip to get the "A" in ENA; otherwise I would have been able to solve the entire puzzle without even looking at the quip answer.

One of these days I will finally remember that ARN was the name of Prince Valient's son, but today was not that day. I don't know why, but it just will not stick in my brain.

Other than that, the only other unknown for me today was OCASEY, and even that seemed vaguely familiar to me. ASTROLABE was a gimme, although I'm not sure how I know it. I just do. And I've long been a fan of Martin MULL from his early days on "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman" and "Fernwood 2 Night."

PINTOS are often called "painted" horses because they tend to be covered with splotches of color and look, well, like somebody threw a bucket of paint at them. Like this one.

And speaking of Emma Samms, I forgot to mention this the other day, but I had a HUGE crush on her when I was younger and she was starring in General Hospital.... ^_^

Dick said...

@ Barry G I share your feelings on Emma Samms. There is just something about that lady.........

Barry G. said...

Yeah, I think it was her accent...

Anonymous said...

Now I know I am getting old, when I say "Soap" when I mean "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," starring Louise Lasser, Woody Allen's first wife. I had forgotten about PSM being a playboy pictorial, though like Barry G., it would have been Emma Samms that would have stoked my fire.

Bill said...

Well, first was Mon, then Tues, then Wed and NOW without further procrastination....... There is Olschwang. (That's x word speak for Thur!)
I didn't do as well today. I don't know if it was my spelling errors or just a (or several) brain f***s.
Got some of the quote but couldn't get it together from there. Misspelled several answers and that led to the misspelling of others, so, nothing made sense.
CC, A reasonable man is usually afraid of taking chances, so he probably won't accomplish as much as one who throws caution to the wind and "goes for it".
CYA'll Later

Col_Gopinath said...

Good evening from India,
No walk in the park today, too many names for my liking somehow manged to get through had to google a few names though

Martin said...

Many names, perhaps, but so many of them seemed familiar to me. :)


Argyle said...

I thought TV Guide sang its swan song long time ago. Is it still in existence?

Yes, it is...sort of. NY Times article
It has been sliced, diced, and chopped up, but it's not dead yet.

kazie said...

It was a walk in th epark for me. Not that I knew any of the names, but I made the right guesses for the crosses like PART and LEGIT (after seeing LEGAL didn't work with NIGH).

I also learned something today--I never knew that NESS meant "headland".

I agree with Bill on the quote. One who "thinks before he leaps" will spend too long reasoning it out before acting. A French colleague told me once, that the French like to discuss things so much, that if someone was lost in the Alps, they'd freeze before the rescuers could agree on how to save them.

Southwest Wisconsin is expecting 30's here today and tomorrow too, so why be a snowbird?

Anonymous said...

Good morning C.C.
2 down got me today. I put "Edsel" for Detroit dud and that stumped me for a while. Had to look it up here and cheat. :)

Sea-She Sheila said...

Good morning, Literati--
It's 20 degrees in Norfolk this morning. A bit chilly for us--and all the kids in town are upset that the snow predicted for yesterday didn't happen. Missed a good chance.

So, I hate to ask, but what is 65A, Latin being? I wasn't a Latin scholar but knowledge of romance languages usually helps me out. Wanted to say esse, but not sure about it. Anyone?? Bueller??

Dennis said...

Esse it is.

lois said...

Good morning CC et al, Got hung up on the NE corner a little but it worked out. I disagree w/the quote but understand it. Bill explained it perfectly. However, there are those very reasonable men who just have insight, a knack for seeing a great opportunity and are reasonably certain that their idea would work with a low risk/high probability of success ratio. They're called entrepeneurs, or successful businessmen, or in my case, "Dad". They reason very well. Obviously, I took after my mom.

Frey said...

Afer the last few days I would call this puzzle "REASONABLE" maybe even "LEGIT". Thank you Mr. O. To me this was a little easier than most Alan O. puzzles. My only hang up was the Northeast... I used RID instead of RIG which in turn made 19A MTDE... I finally got it though. Tomorrow could be the hammer.
BILL's explanation of the quote seems correct to me. Maybe Alan O. is aiming this at Pres. O. He is trying to be "REASONABLE" and there is a chance things won't get done.

Anonymous said...

Since I haven't been around long, I don't know if your question refers to a person/poster. But "Buckeye" is a community in northern Garrard County , Kentucky, and it is where I live (and farm). So that is one answer to the question, "Where is Buckeye".


Dennis said...

I think the reason I don't understand the quote is that I've never equated 'reasonable' with 'cautious'. I've seen reasonable men do very rash and sometimes heroic things, so I tend to disagree that being reasonable precludes one from doing risky things, much less "anything".

Lois, you're saying you don't do risky things?

Barry G, accent shmaccent - she had a killer body.

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One says to the other, "Does this taste funny to you?"

kazie said...

Buckeye to us is a person, a frequent poster here. Once you've read his posts you'll be looking for them each day because they're usually hilarious.

DoesItinInk said...

Today’s puzzle made up for the easy ones we have had so far this week. It did not help that I speedily filled in Edsel for 2D rather than LEMON. After messing up that corner I poked around the puzzle, filling in where I knew the answers and hoping those letters would give me a guess at the others. It was a case where the quote, though unknown to me, helped me complete the puzzle. The last corner to fall was the upper right. I completed it correctly without help, but who is PAMELA Sue Martin?

I am reading Justine by Lawrence Durrell. Yesterday I came across this quote in the book, “Balthazar says that the natural traitors – like you and I – are really Caballi. He says we are dead and live this life as a sort of limbo. Yet the living can’t do without us. We infect them with a desire to experience more, to grow”. Can anyone shed any light on the term Caballi? (I was unable to find anything definitive on the Internet.) Does this refer to someone who is a student of the Kabballah? Or is this a reference to a being in Egyptian mythology? I am stumped.

The Greek poet Cavafy is a presence in Justine, and his poem “The City” is referenced. It is a very beautiful but dark poem about someone who regrets how he has lived his life:

You said: "I'll go to another country, go to another shore,
find another city better than this one.
Whatever I try to do is fated to turn out wrong
and my heart lies buried like something dead.

How long can I let my mind moulder in this place?
Wherever I turn, wherever I look,
I see the black ruins of my life, here,
where I've spent so many years, wasted them, destroyed them totally."
You won't find a new country, won't find another shore.
This city will always pursue you.
You'll walk the same streets, grow old
in the same neighborhoods, turn gray in these same houses.
You'll always end up in this city. Don't hope for things elsewhere:
there's no ship for you, there's no road.
Now that you've wasted your life here, in this small corner,
you've destroyed it everywhere in the world.

DoesItinInk said...

@Col_Gopinath: I linked to your blog. It looks like you have taken on a bit of a daily challenge! I would like to follow your blog...but where can I find the Hindu Crossword puzzles? Thanks.

lois said...

Dennis: au contraire, mon cher! Nothing could be further from the truth! I'm wide open, 90 to nothin', full speed ahead, casting caution to the wind 150% of the time. My mom described raising me as holding on to the reins of a wild horse for dear life...and I hardly ever got in trouble...well,
I just never got caught. And I bet i wouldn't 've been able to hold a candle to you!

carol said...

Good morning C.C. and all, guess I'm on a roll this week, no g-spots or dictionaries. Yea!
The quote was rather "blah" but at least I was able to figure it out. I think that is a first for an Olschwang puzzle.

The names in this were all repeats of those in very recent puzzles... ARN, MARYS & EDNAS. I am glad I remembered IMAGO - that was always a stickler.

Dennis (10:28a) LOL

George Orwell's "Animal Farm" was quite the book in its day... I should read it again. Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" came out about then too, weird, but good. Makes one think - what was considered almost science fiction back then doesn't seem that way now..I wonder if that is a good thing.

Sea-She Sheila said...

Thank you, Dennis. So my answer wasn't a 'lemon' after all (I put Edsel for that one, too, since we'd just had lemon this week.) And thanks, Doesltinink, for that picker-upper. I knew I should have left town a long time ago...

Auntie Naomi said...

Good Afternoon C.C. and Co.,

I suspected from that excerpt that the term had some kind of esoteric meaning. After a bit of searching, I found this:

"Term used by Paracelsus. The Caballi, also known as Cabales or Lemures, are what modern Western initiates usually call "Elementaries"."

DoesItinInk said...

@PromiseMeThis: THANK YOU SO MUCH! Your link gave me terms with which I could do further searches where I found the explanation I was looking for. To whit, “Caballi are the astral bodies of men who died a premature death…. They are earthbound souls…. They imagine to perform bodily actions, while in fact they have no physical bodies, but act in their thoughts; but their bodies appear to them as real as ours appear to us.” In the context of the character of Justine, this makes sense.

Clear Ayes said...

Good Morning All, There weren't any problems that weren't perpable today.

ENA was new. I G'd her post-puzzle. She was a granddaughter of Queen Victoria and sadly, she was a carrier of the genetic disease hemophilia. She has seven children with Alfonso and both her first and last son's were afflicted with hemophilia.

For me it was an enjoyable Thursday puzzle. Maybe it's just because I'm a Shaw fan. Like Sean O'CASEY, Oscar Wilde, James Joyce, William Synge and Samuel Beckett, Shaw was a Dubliner. Maybe it is something in the water, but Dublin seems to have produced more than its share of talented dramatists, novelists and poets. They are all well-known for their biting wit and social criticism.

Sean O'OCASEY had this to say about wisdom, "Wisdom is ofttimes nearer when we stoop than when we soar."

G.A.H. and I were faithful TV Guide subscribers for years. About four years ago, it became more of a fan magazine with very little "guide" to it. We let our subscription run out and haven't missed it.

True Blue Sheila, LOL at your Ferris Bueller quote.

Doesitinink, I like "downer" poems as well as the "uppers". The aim is often to make people think about their life choices. Very nice, Thanks.

lois said...

Doesit: What a poem! I'm ready to turn on the gas!

Dennis: funny joke!

WM said...

I think this is one of the first times I actually cruised through an Olschwang puzzle, got the quote and everything.
I actually got ASTROLABE as we had just watched THE LAST TEMPLAR last week and an astrolabe figured in the story. I actually knew the word, but probably would have had to work for it.
I really only got hung up on
14A...wanted LEGAL and couldn't remember IMAGO.
@Dennis...another great quote. I think sometimes we are all ages and I often forget how I am until that first morning glance in the mirror. I generally stay away from mirrors...

Thank you C.C. for the new puzzle, will try to get it finished this time before Argyle blogs it

Argyle...very much look forward to your blog.

WM said...

OOPs...How OLD I am...senior moment.

Argyle said...

Clear Ayes, when they changed the format for the TV Guide(they got bigger;~)), did it still have a crossword?

Clear Ayes said...

Argyle, Sorry, but I wasn't a TV Guide crossword fan after about the age of 16. They always had the same clues for dopey TV shows and personalities.

I have to apologize to John Synge fans (I know you're out there). For some reason I got his first name mixed up with William Inge, who was an American playwright.

As counterpoint to Cavafy, Synge did seem able to "get away", at least in this poem. Some of his others are really harsh.


TILL south I went and west and south again,
Through Wicklow from the morning till the night,
And far from cities, and the sights of men,
Lived with the sunshine and the moon's delight.

I knew the stars, the flowers, and the birds,
The gray and wintry sides of many glens,
And did but half remember human words,
In converse with the mountains, moors, and fens.

-John Millington Synge

Anonymous said...

All in all an ejoyable puzzle today.
Like Dennis could not remember arn so astrolobe looked better.
Martin my Websters dictionary gives MTGE as a legit abbreviation.
Clear Ayes you did not mention another Dublin playright Brendan Behan. Like the O'Casey quote.
Did not really get the quote either. Would like to see the whole context.

Jimmy, S Carolina

Anonymous said...

forgot to mention another famous Dubliner Bram Stroker of Dracula fame.

Liked the poem Clear Ayes.
Did not notice the Synge mistake.

Jimm, S Carolina

WM said...

C.C. A few other British food terms:

Courgette: Zuccini
Mallow: REALLY large Zuccini
Chips: French fries
Crisps: Potato chips
Biscuits: Cookies, usually thin
and crispy
Salad Cream: Mayonnaise

ClearAyes...the Synge poem has a Robert Frost quality. Very interesting. I am not familiar with his poetry...always something new to learn here.

kazie said...

Are you sure that squash isn't marrow and not mallow? Mallow is described as a herb in the dictionary. But we used to have marrows in Oz too.

WM said...

Kazie...oops...did actually mean MARROW...sorry. Must have been tping on the wrong side of the keyboard.

ferd 77 said...

stuck on 68 ac santas cheeks.rosy??

Clear Ayes said...

Ferd, Yes, Rosy

Jimmy S, There are so many well-known Irish writers, it is tough to list them all. You mentioned Brendan Behan and Bram Stoker. There are also Jonathan Swift, Iris Murdoch, Y.B. Yeats and dozens of others. More up to date are Maeve Binchey and Frank McCourt. If you want to be a talented writer, Dublin, or County Dublin, seems to be a good place to be born.

Argyle, LOL, I agree. Maybe the TV Guide dimensions got bigger to accommodate the cover photos.

Wolfmom, There are also bangers and mash - sausages and mashed potatoes, and streaky bacon - what we just call bacon in the U.S.

Or, howabout a chips butty, a bunch of chips (fries) loaded on a couple of pieces of heavily buttered bread and doused with additional ketchup....heart attack city!

Anonymous said...

My favorite cannibal joke was the one my father told to my mother (she was French Canadien):

The cannibal went into the big city cannibal restaurant for the first time, and was reading the menu. He saw that a meal of Germans was $12.95, Americans $9.95, Africans $10.95, and French Canadiens $59.95.
he called the waiter over, and said,
" I have never been to this restaurant, but tell me, I see all the prices are close, except for French Canadiens. Tell me the truth, are they that much tastier?"

The waiter paused and replied, "Tastier, no that is not it, have you ever tried to clean one?"

And as far as marrows, I don't know if I am the only mystery buff here, but I will never forget meeting Hercule Poirot, in the MURDER OF ROGER ACKROYD as he was growing vegetable marrows, which when I first read, confused me, as I knew of only bone marrow. But that is why there are dictionaries.
Emma Samms still has a great body and pretty face, if cameras dont lie too much, which fits in with Dennis' quote, as we retain our youthful fantasies, and continue to dream.

WM said...

ClearAyes...was trying to keep it simple because there are SO many great sounding especial favorite(not to eat, just to say) Toad in the Hole...fried sausages dipped in batter and then baked.

Spotted Dick (how can you not love that name) a plum duff, plain flour pudding with raisins or currants.

Chelsea buns: Cinnamon Roll

In Scotland, Neeps and Tatties(potatoes and turnips)


One could go on and on. Kazie probably has some really good food names from Oz.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Clear Ayes. Did not know Iris Murdoch was born in Dublin
As wolfmom says this blog is an unending source of info.
Was born in Dublin but sad to say my writing skills do not approach those of my fellow Dubliners.

Jimmy, S. Carolina

carol said...

Wolfmom... Spotted Dick!!!???? oh my, was it measles or something worse?
Chelsea Buns? Mine are just a bit saggy!

WM said...

Carol: LOL, DFette...I told you that there were a lot of funny food names. I doubt I could ever bring myself to order it.

Once, in Scotland, a friend and I were in a Chinese restaurant and after she finished ordering, they asked her, "Do you want chips with
that?" Ya gotta love the Scots!

Dennis said...

Spotted dick was a common sight in the Far East - usually, a couple shots and it cleared right up...

Banger?? Damn near killed her!

kazie said...

How about Devonshire tea, a wonderful treat at roadside inns consisting of scones (like biscuits here) served with sweetened whipped cream and jam and a pot of English tea (milk and sugar to go with it).

In Oz we liked our sausage rolls, basically sausage meat in puff pastry, or meat pies, hefty and full of meat, not like the insipid "pot pies" we get here. But a lot of the food names were derived from our English roots, so I can't think of many other humorous food names that haven't already been mentioned. One local vegetable I haven't seen here is the Queensland Blue whose rind is so tough, the greengrocers use something that looks like a machete to cut them. But the flesh is like any orange squash here.

Frey said...

@Wolfmom.... Hysterical on the Brit's foods.... I did have Bangers and Mash once followed by Spotted Dick. They both taste much better than the names imply :):):)
Once in Germany had HandKase mit Music... that's chees with onions... that's were the music comes from... ;-)

Frey said...

Wolfmom... sorry... that cheese with onions... hand cheese actually... meaning cheese shaped and molded using one's hands.

kazie said...

In Frankfurt one should also try the Grüne Soße mit Musik--same effect.

Auntie Naomi said...

My pleasure :)

I was about to suggest adding Jonathan Swift to that list of Dubliner's known for scathing social criticism, but I see that you did that. His 'A Modest Proposal' is outrageous.
"LOL at your Ferris Bueller quote". It would appear that I missed that.
"I like "downer" poems as well as the "uppers"." Brings to mind Milton's 'L'Allegro and Il Penseroso'

embien said...

10:10 today. This was the best "quote day" in a long time, IMHO. Much better than those stupid punny "joke" quotes. It's nice to have an actual author provide the quote.

I solved this one by doing all DOWNS first, then going back and filling in (I'm starting to enjoy this way of solving as it provides more of a challenge). Was turned around for a bit by putting in STONINISS even though a. I knew it was misspelled and b. it didn't fit. Other than that, all was good.

WM said... the HandKase mit Music! LOL

Kazie: Love a Devonshire Cream Tea with clotted cream and jam on scones...yum!Also...that is a beautiful squash, I wonder if it available in the US? Translation on the German???

Dennis: You be a funny guy!

I think I'm at my limit for the from here on in, will lurk.

kazie said...

Grüne Soße mit Musik = green sauce with music, which comes afterwards. The sauce consists of at least seven different herbs like chervil, chives, parsley, tarragon, cress etc., with eggs, mayo, cream, yoghurt, vinegar and flavorings--an explosive mix!

Clear Ayes said...

Dennis@3:09, LOL, I believe streaky bacon can also be alleviated with just a couple of shots.

All this talk about British food has reminded me that I really like mushy peas. The real thing is made with dried marrowpeas, which are soaked overnight in bicarbonate of soda to avoid later gastric distress. Marrowpeas don't seem to be available here in the U.S. Does anyone know if dried split peas are an acceptable substitute? I thought I might try a Jamie Oliver (nice English lad) mushy peas recipe, but it called for frozen peas...somehow, that just doesn't seem right.

PromiseMeThis, It was just a mini "Ferris" quote. See True Blue Sheila @ 9:28.

I remember reading L'Allegro and Il Penseroso a long time ago. They aren't easy reads and, as I recall, I made liberal use of Cliffs Notes to get me through the class.

carol said...

Someone mentioned "bubble and squeak" awhile back and I forgot what that dish consists of...I'm a little fearful. I hope it isn't rodent.

kazie said...

My vwersion of bubble and squeak would be mashing up a bunch of leftover veggies including mashed potatoes together with a beaten egg to hold it together and frying it (till it bubbles?).

Auntie Naomi said...

"All this talk about British food has reminded me that I really like mushy peas"
I must confess that I would never dare confuse British food (...or most other Northern European fare) with good food. In my experience, 'good food' seems to be the purview of the Mediterranean people and others who dwell in tropical climes.

WM said...

Appologies in advance to C.C. for exceeding my limit today.

Carol RE"Bubble and Squeak" is basically a mixture of meat, chopped up potatoes and cabbage(traditionally), that is fried in a substantial amount of oil. The oil "bubbles" and the cabbage "squeaks". I honestly think you could use any combination of veggies, potatoes and meat...and...a lot less oil.

carol said...

Wolfmom and Kazie, thanks much! It sounds a bit like my roast beef hash. (without the cabbage and I never use much oil)

Promise me, is the lovely lady offering more than what is on the platter?

Dennis said...

Carol, RE"Bubble and Squeak" is basically a mixture of meat, chopped up potatoes and cabbage

Then the 'squeak' is the sound of your sphincter trying to keep the noise down...

Auntie Naomi said...

"is the lovely lady offering more than what is on the platter?"
If someone so inclined took a little nibble, she could hardly complain. It seems to me that there is a lot of plausible deniability there in the event of a 'misunderstanding'.

maria said...

Good evening, to all
I 'm a little late but i want to be sure to let C.C.
know , i for one appreciate very much getting a Sunday puzzle and thanks to Argyle also.

c.c. i realize you are an in depth person but this morning your clarification on Vas was really more that i wanted to know ( lol ) i had a chuckle.

Lastly i thought Bubble and Squeak was being left out but, no fear it was remembered and I ' m with Dennis , me thinks the Bubble and Squeak happens after one eats it

RichShif said...

Hi C.C. and gang,

Only problems I had were with kosher and forgot imago...I didn't know Stoicism so that corner was not complete altough I did get the quote. I also had forgotten nigh. I was thinking of food on the kosher clue and all I could remember was pavre which didn't fit.

I did find a song like for today. Not A Reasonable Man

Argyle said...


Where did you find it?

Clear Ayes said...

Carol and PromiseMeThis, I believe the lady is in a Paul Gauguin painting. Monsieur Gauguin died from something a little more serious than a case of Spotted Dick or Streaky Bacon, so he would have been wise to decline whatever the lady had to offer.

It's true that English fare, when compared to...let me see....France?..or..Italy?...or Spain?, can often leave much to be desired. But good English fish and chips with mushy peas on the side and a pint to wash it down is just fine by me. I've had some really tasty meals in English and Irish pubs. What do you think Jimmy S?

Time for get ready for this evening's chorus practice. Have a good evening everyone.

RichShif said...


I don't know if you responded to my post or not. If so all I did was searched for reasonable man on you tube. I was shocked to get something to add to my post.

Anonymous said...

All this talk about English food but no one has mentioned Pasties. These hand held meat pies originated in Cornwall and are still popular in the U.S. wherever Cornish miners settled. I did not appreciate a lot of the food in England but scones with clotted cream and jam made up for all the uninteresting meals I encountered. I was told that clotted cream cannot be imported into the U.S. because it is unpasteurized. They can import Devonshire cream which is similar.


Anonymous said...

All this talk about English food but no one has mentioned Pasties. These hand held meat pies originated in Cornwall and are still popular in the U.S. wherever Cornish miners settled. I did not appreciate a lot of the food in England but scones with clotted cream and jam made up for all the uninteresting meals I encountered. I was told that clotted cream cannot be imported into the U.S. because it is unpasteurized. They can import Devonshire cream which is similar.


Anonymous said...

Clear Ayes. agree.
"Pub grub" in Ireland or any part of the U K is not to be missed. The cuisine of Ireland and the U K has improved tremendously in the last few years.

Jimmy, S.Carolina

kazie said...

I'm on #8 for today but here goes...

Clear ayes,
When my aunt, the artist one, was in Tahiti, she wanted to know if there was a Gauguin museum, but couldn't get anyone to say where it was. Apparently he did spread his illness around quite a bit before dying of it, and was remembered and resented for that even in the 1960's.

We did discuss the Cornish pasties a few days ago (or was it weeks?), and talked about Mineral Point then too. However, my experience of them in England was disappointing, they were "pasty" --not tasty IMHO.