Feb 11, 2012

Saturday, Feb 11, 2012, Peter Wentz

Theme: None

Words: 70

Blocks: 29

Yes, I believe this is my first Peter Wentz puzzle, and according to my search, his last Saturday LAT grid was Aug 2009 - before my time. Scrabbly, with just the "X" absent. A nearly perfect spiral of a layout, with a "+" in the middle, only six 3-letter entries, and triple 9/5 and 8/7 stacks going around. Heavy on the music, and sports, too, with;

34A. Five-time Lady Byng Memorial Trophy winner : GRETZKY - Wayne, one of the best forwards to ever play hockey; this is the award for best sportsman - I am not up to speed on my trophies; I know that the best goalie gets the "Vezina" trophy; also 31A. 34-Across's realm : ICE

19A. Hoops legend : DR J - Julius Erving, but I do not care for basketball

39A. Only Dolphin quarterback to win a Super Bowl : GRIESE - Not Marino, this guy

33D. Common Sunday NFL game time : ONE PM

36D. Events after coin tosses : KICKOFFS - and now it's all over, until September

So ONWARD~! to the rest of today's fill~!


1. 2001 OutKast chart-topper whose title refers to Erykah Badu's mother : MS. JACKSON - I like "Roses" better

10. Dover souls : BRITs - slang for British; Dover is on the channel - has a CASTLE, awesome

15. High seas shout : AHOY THERE

16. __ acid : BORIC - not AMINO, not FOLIC

17. Dogs first bred in Thuringia : DOBERMANS - nice fill; these "1D's"

18. Out of place : QUEER

20. Allow to go after : LET AT

21. It may be fixed : STARE

22. Buckwheat's "You betcha!" : "OTAY~!" - Eddie Murphy did a pretty good Buckwheat

24. Holy orders and extreme unction, e.g. : RITES

27. Ashram leaders : GURUs - some more here about Ashram

29. Geographical name from the Hebrew for "dry" : NEGEV - as in the desert

32. Choke up : CLOG - I don't think sinks "choke up", people do - either crying or batting

36. Original name of Whiskas cat food : KAL-KAN

40. Words after a rhetorical "Is this a good idea?" : I SAY YES

42. "Just the facts" Jack : WEBB

43. Hack : CAB - #3 of the 3-letter words across

44. Reckon : S'POSE - bit of Southern, Redneck speak

46. "Like a Rock" singer : SEGER

50. Tae __ do : KWON

52. "Dude, Where's __?": 2000 film : MY CAR

54. Wander : ROVE

55. Laura's classic cry on "The Dick Van Dyke Show" : "OH ROB~!"

57. Peabrain : MORON

59. Shared ride to wk. : H.O.V. - High-Occupancy Vehicle - a colossal waste here on Long Island; the problem? No Long Islander cares to let someone else drive, and no one is ever going back to "Levittown" the same time as you are....

60. Four-page sheet : FOLIO

61. "I'm serious" : IT'S NO JOKE

63. Instant : FLASH

64. Circus chairperson? : LION TAMER

65. Culvert : SEWER

66. Rapper with the multi-platinum debut album "The College Dropout" : KANYE WEST - not a fan to begin with, and just an ass after his video awards obnoxiousness


1. Rabies victim : MAD DOG - liquor, too, in the same category as "Nighttrain", and "Thunderbird"; while I did drink to get drunk, I never "sank" this low

2. Puzzling sound? : SHORT u - nice mis-direction; the "uh" in pUzzling

3. Chore assignment simplifier : JOB JAR - never heard of it - but a great idea

4. High seas okay : AYE - this is #5 of the three-letter words; two were up top

5. PC key : CTRL

6. Cambodia's official language : KHMER

7. Theater arrangement : SEATING

8. Showy : ORNATE

9. Retirement fund : NEST EGG

10. Smoking parties, briefly? : BBQs - and 26A. Side at 10-Down : SLAW

11. Beats the pants off : ROUTS

12. "It's clear to me ..." : I REALIZE...

13. Closet organizers : TIE RACKS

14. Fastener with a loop : SCREW-EYE - popular on gates; this thingy

23. Gross : YUCKY - I had the "Y", so I tried "YIELD", which works, too, in economic terms

25. Twilled fabric : SERGE

28. More than amuses : SLAYS

30. Hide and seek, e.g. : VERBS

35. Vatican City's river : TIBER

37. Taken together : AS A WHOLE

38. Attorney's specialty : LABOR LAW

41. Coffee additive for vegans : SOY MILK

42. Starts to get to : WEARS ON

45. Nova __ : SCOTIA - Off Canada's East coast - image

47. Yankee follower? : GO HOME - Anti-American; some more here

48. Conjures up : EVOKES

49. Go back : REVERT

51. Electric interference : NOISE

53. Cox of "Deliverance" : RONNY

56. Father or son physics Nobelist : BOHR

58. Quick reminder : NOTE

62. Argue : JAW - and we end on the last of the 3-letter words

Answer grid.



Barry G. said...

Morning, all!

Well, I gave this one my all, but it defeated me in the end. I managed to pick my way through most of it, even getting the wholly unknown MSJACKSON completely via the perps, but the NE corner proved to be my undoing.

I did finally guess GRETZKY at 34A, despite not know what the heck the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy was, but unfortunately I mispelled it as GRESZKY. The crossing of TIBER and GRIESE was completely impenetrable and downright unfair in my opinion, even if I had the initial T in TIBER instead of a S.

I had AMINO instead of BORIC at 16A, which kept most everything else from view in that section. The clue for BBQS was delightfully tricky, but too much for me to get today. The cross referenced clue at 26A was therefore useless. Similarly, I just couldn't figure out what "Dover souls" was referring to.

And then there were SCREW EYES and I REALIZE, which just wouldn't come to me.

I finally turned on the red letter help and noodled around a bit until I finished, but that's a DNF in my book.

Ah well...

Hungry Mother said...

I only persevered through this one because I'd planned a lazy morning at home. Very nice puzzle.

Mokus said...

First guess for yankee follower was doodle but that harkens back to when we wanted the BRITS to go home, eh?

HOVs are a good thing if you're willing to be a little flexible. As a passenger you can work the crosswords during the commute.

Enjoyable puzzle.

Grumpy 1 said...

Good morning. Great write up, Splynter.

I got my start down in the SE, worked across to the SW and gradually worked my way up to the top. AHOY matey looked good when I wrote it in, along with amino and Marino, but perps kicked those out.

BRITS/BBQS/SLAW unlocked that corner. I never heard of that trophy, but Knew GRETZKY after a few perps and that gave me Tinman's nemisis (ICE).

This one had just enough easy fill to let me get my unknowns. Good Saturday puzzle.

desper-otto said...

Happy Saturday, all. Thank goodness it's the weekend so I have a longer self-imposed time limit. Barely made it under the wire!

I thought this one was going to do me in. I'm not into sports and don't know much about post-1980 music or artists, so there were lots of unknowns in this one. My only gimmes were AHOY THERE, AS A WHOLE and LION TAMER, but they allowed me to build out in those areas. It also didn't help that I misread the clue for 46A and entered SIMON (Paul Simon, "I Am A Rock") for SEGER.

Like Barry, my NE was a mess with AMINO directly above AMISS. Only after I WAGged GRETZKY and ICE did I realize that it should be I REALIZE. Then BORIC appeared and it slowly came together.

Tough puzzle, Mr. Wentz. Nice writeup, Splynter. And was that a shoutout at 44A?

Husker Gary said...

It’s below zero on the plains but this exercise was a good warming device. The first shall be last as I finished in the NW where I had to give up MA for MS to get SHORT U, but “got ‘er done”! Thanks Peter and Splynter!

-What Grumpy said/did
-No shot on rap info. KANYE and OUTKAST don’t live in the ‘hood anymore.
-GRETZKY and DR J were great representatives of their sports
-Marino set records but didn’t get the big enchilada
-NFL games start here at noon and at 7 am when we were in Hawaii
-AHOY MATEY, LITIGATE and YUKKY didn’t cut it
-Did anyone else think of this Doberman (6:10)
-Seeing Sgt. Friday in Sunset Boulevard reminds you that Jack did have other roles
-Laura never said OH ROB while they were in bed together. Censors dictated twin beds.
-What cartoon strip featured a JOB JAR?
-I call it an EYE SCREW. Splynter?

thehondohurricane said...

Good day folks,

Like Grumpy, this was a South first, North last effort for me. The sports clues gave me enough of a foothold to make progress. There were a few slowdowns, mostly of my own doing. Siberians/DOBERMANS, NHL/ICE, & doodle/GO HOME were the culprits.

The North was a bear and in the end I had MK JACKSON, thus an incorrect solve. 1A & 2D were "did not knows". Well, all WAGS aren't going to be correct.

Sfingi said...

An old lady's nightmare - sports and rap. And a Saturday.

ant said...

It's Saturday! Get out there and dance!

Here's a kitchen CLOG (2:38).

Splynter, long legs (3:08) to CLOG your mind.

And Yellowrocks, this CLOG's for you (6:16).

ant said...

Wasn't it Morris the Cat, who, in those iconic commercials in the 70s/80s said:
"KALKAN, take me away!"

Avg Joe said...

Hands up for the Amino, Folic, Boric progression. Also tried NHL after wagging Gretzky. The whole thing was a crawl and the NE was a brute. But after 45 minutes~ and a large chunk of eraser, it fell into place.

Hi and Lois prominently feature the Job Jar. It's a bit ironic that Lois instigates this tyranny while her brother, Beetle Baily, is renowned for sloth.

-4 degrees this morning. Again, TGIF! If this were December, that would strike dread in the hearts of the upper great plains.

ant said...

Sorry, Splynter, here's the long legs you're looking for.

desper-otto said...

Husker, I used to watch Sgt Bilko as a kid, but I don't actually remember Pvt Doberman. Enjoyed all three parts of that episode, though. Thanks for posting it.

On the topic of hardware, we call it a SCREW EYE in these parts. Reversing it just sounds too DF!

Avg Joe said...

Have to link the only pleasant scene from Deliverance.

And the morning funnies also had more than one common CW reference in this strip: Pickles

Mikey said...

A pleasing, but tough, Saturday puzzle requiring a couple consults with Mr Google. Left nothing but blank space cruising through the As until hitting 42A (WEBB), which was a gimme, and picked up the pace from there.

In Florida, my Prius is an HOV irregardless (I know, but I love that non-word) of the number of occupants. In the olde days, in the SF Bay area, they were not only HOVs, they also got to use the express bus lane across the Bay Bridge -- for free!

But who woulda thunk "Lady Byng" had anything to do with hockey (GRETZKE)? And crossing a rapper with a movie star (RONNY X KANYEWEST) outdid me. Still, very enjoyable and finished within my personal time limit, determined by the wait required after breakfast before taking my morning assortment of pills.

Splynter said...

Hi There ~!

ant, thank you very much for the "long legs" link - I noticed there are no close-ups when she spins....

otto, I did not know you were from the south; I lived in Jacksonville, FL, and Cincinnati OH was "further south" than that....


Husker Gary said...

Racy (for the time) Job Jar Answer. Second strip down.

DO, I always think of the item as being a screw that has an eye on top and called it an eye screw. The adjective following the noun not only sounds DF but very French!

Joe, the boy banjo picker looked like a 57 across but I loved the link to that scene. That old boy could sure clog but I couldn’t stop thinking of the fate that awaited poor Ned Beatty!

HeartRx said...

Good morning Splynter, C.C. et al.

Fun puzzle and great write-up Splynter! I thought I wouldn't finish this one when I saw 1A, but for some reason it all fell pretty smoothly from top to bottom. Don't ask me why my first thought was BORIC for __ acid.

Wayne GRETZKY is a well-known sports figure who is recognized by people like me who don't even follow hockey.

The Tiber is one of the first European rivers taught in geography, along with the Seine, Loire, Rhine and Rhone, etc.. So even though I couldn't dredge up GRIESE, it was easily filled in by the perps.

Satisfying to do such a nice Saturday puzzle in record (for me) time. Thanks Peter!

Dudley said...

Hello Puzzlers -

Thought for sure this was going to be a DNF. Then I tried FOLIC acid in the empty NE, and even though it was wrong, it secured the TIE RACKS to the wall. Finished up from there.

Husker - That would be Hi and Lois. One Father's Day, Lois replaced all the slips in the JOB JAR with new ones reading "play golf". It was a nice present for Hi.

Dudley said...

Oops, I guess I was still typing when Husker added his example from Hi and Lois.

Irish Miss said...

Good morning all:

Nice write-up, Splynter. Lots of write-overs today: doodle/go home, roam/rove, I surmise/Irealize, okay/otay, ma Jackson/ms Jackson, Kwan/kwon. All in all, a big mess. Can't say I had fun. Oh well, tomorrow's another day.

Happy Saturday everyone.

desper-otto said...

Husker, I Googled it and you're right. I got 4 million hits on SCREW EYE and 80 million hits on EYE SCREW (though a lot of those hits were labeled SCREW EYE). Not sure about it sounding French, though. Wouldn't EYE become JE?

Husker Gary said...

Dudley, two answers passing in the virtual night! I would love to find those JOB JAR notes all saying Play Golf. The one in the cartoon would be good too!!

Ant, guess which clog link was my favorite?

Splynter, eye screw or screw eye?

Spitzboov said...

AHOY THERE Everyone. Good write-up as usual, Splynter.

AYE, I SPOSE this had the usual Saturday difficulty. I liked a lot of it, especially the clueing for BRITS and LION TAMER. Did not like the clues for SHORT U, VERBS, and JOB JAR. Interesting about where DOBERMANS were developed. Perps helped with GRETZKY and BOHR. NEGEV was a good guess for 'dry'. FOLIO was another WAG. Had 'roam' before ROVE. No searches needed.

Enjoy the weekend.

nasafemme said...

NE quadrant did me in. Had to turn on the red letter help. Once I had BORIC(kept dwelling on AMINO)it got a lot easier.

Virginia said...

Good Morning and Happy Saturday.

This was an odd one, at times seemed simple and at others (SHOUTU) horribly difficult. The NE was hard for me as I hung on to Marino so long I went to red letters. I should have known better as it was the Super Bowl between Marino and Joe Montana that made me appreciate football (and Joe!).

I agree, not a basketball fan. For me, it's the noise and the seemingly endless season.

I did get BORIC though. Harkens back to when I worked in a Hotel and learned we put boric acid behind all the booths in our fine dining restaurant to keep the cockroaches away from the diners. Apparently a common practice but it was a long time before I'd eat out again. Husband was very happy about that :)

The clue for screw eyes read so that all I could think of was Frog, as in a jacket closure and that sure didn't fit.

Mari, from yesterday, I read somewhere recently that M.M. was a size 14 - Gasp!

Virginia said...

Oops make that shoRtu, but then you knew that!

Yellowrocks said...

Enjoyed your blog, Splynter. Interesting and challenging Saturday puzzle. My only doubt after I had fit it all together was RONNY or RONNI and KAN(Y)WEST or I. Y seemed better.

ANT @ 8:37 thanks for the clogging dance video. I've enjoyed seeing a lot of square dance cloggers at country fairs in PA and also at national conventions. It's a little too high energy for me. It seems my knees are protesting even regular square dancing. Many of the steps in the video are like ours, but a caller calls them out. We dance to a little bit of everything: bluegrass, show tunes, rock, gospel, swing, Latin.

SCREW EYE/EYE SCREW. At home we used to say, "Es macht nicht aus." It makes no difference, six of one or half dozen of another.
You say Po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to.

Coach J said...

DNF, NE corner did me in. I'm new to this blog but been avid crossworder since late 80's. Hope to add to conversation in the future as I've greatly enjoyed all of the members' posts.

Yellowrocks said...

Obviously, I can't proof read for typos on a screen. I can proof read only for flow, content, and coherence. I print out my work to proof read for small things. Since we have many Germanic posters I will correct myself. The saying is Es macht nichtS aus with an S. Yesterday I typed ONE'S instead of ONES.

I was late posting today because I had to phone the entire club about visiting hours for a funeral. About half have email, but half or more of those only read it every week or two. Very annoying.

eddyB said...

Hey. Someone other than Bobby Orr.

Sharks lose to the 12th seed and then beat the 6th seed. Go figure.

50s and rain.


ARBAON aka "Rose" said...

Saturdays really clean my clock! Was very glad for the few, three-letter words. know football and some basket ball...not much hockey. Knowing how Saturdays are, I wagged (thanks, Marine) "screw eyes."

Thanks for the warning on the links. I regret enough things without looking at the nubile young things!

I understand tomorrow will feel like the north here in the south.
Time for some slow-cooked, creamy grits with sausage patties and an over-easy egg. SO called me corn-fed. He`ll be out of the hospital in a few days with an "eye-pad!" (Today`s "Pickles.")

Splynter said...

Hi Again,

HG, I am not sure if I call the thing either one - most of the time I think we refer to the two parts as one - hook and eye, and it's usually a bolt, not a screw - yeah, I know, it is more like a screw, but....


ARBAON aka "Rose" said...

Please write your German phrase phonetically, Yellowrocks.

Lucina said...

Hello, weekend warriors. Thanks, Splynter, for your great commentary and links.

Yowza! A typical Saturday challenge that almost beat me to a pulp. Like others, I did well in the south and east flirting with amino, folic and finally BORIC when BBQ appeared.

Ditto on yankee DOODLE before GOHOME. I knew GRETZKY, which I misspelled as GRETZKE only because he lives here in AZ.

Because of that error I never got the EYE in SCREW.

MS JACKSON was a total unknown and I filled it as MA which messed with SHORT U but then I had OKAY and not OTAY. Never watched Buckwheat.

So thank you, Mr. Wentz, you win this one.

Enjoy your Saturday, everyone!

CrossEyedDave said...

Ah, Saturday,,,

what the crossword screwed me up with, the Blog made up for...

If you don't mind, i think i will take it easy for today, and just enjoy "reading" the Blog.

Misty said...

Yep, this was another toughie, although I ended up getting everything but the NW. Never did get SHORT U--have to remember that sometimes clues are self-reflexive like that. But I did get BBQS once I saw "side" and realized we were talking food, and that helped the NE.

So, clever puzzle, Mr. Wentz. And always a great write-up, Splynter! Is there some reason why I think MADDOG goes with Englishmen or BRITS? Isn't KALKAN a dog (mad dog or Doberman) food? Also found "Circus chairperson" clever. And I fondly remember Laura Petrie's OH ROBs.

After all the discussion of Marilyn Monroe yesterday, we watched the new series "Smash" last night. Found it totaly delightful!

Have a great weekend, everybody!

Yellowrocks said...

Rose @ 11:19 Pronunciation aprroximation
Es macht nichts aus.
Ess mocked (ends with a T sound) nix aus (rhymes with house.)

Here's what our kind of square dancing looks like. Although the steps are still the same
the cotumes are becoming passe, except for special occasions like this one. Ordinary jeans, slacks,or prairie skirts are often worn. I alternate between slacks, prairie skirts, and full costume to validate everyone's choice of clothing.
Link square dancing

GarlicGal said...

Good morning one and all.

"An old lady's nightmare - sports and rap. And a Saturday." Thank you Sfingi, you summed it up perfectly!

Although I did get Gretzky - sort of (spelled it with an "s"), that rap crap, as we refer to it around here, had me scratching my head... unless it's "Dr. Dre". That is the only one that comes readily to mind. Finally Kanye West appeared.

Missed BBQs, Slaw, Screw. Had the eye but I've never heard that term.

So much for Saturday. Onward and upward.

Hasta la Pasta

Spitzboov said...

Yellow Rocks re: Es macht nichtS aus.

We used to say that too, in Low German: Dat mookt nix ut. It doesn't matter.

Tinbeni said...

Splynter: Great write-up & links.
Also enjoyed the "posted" links.
Especially the Dueling Banjo's, thanks Avg.Joe.

All-in-All ... a FUN Saturday. Thanks Peter.

Solve was like Grumpy, from the SE to SW, then NW before that NE almost did-me-in.

Sorry Barry G., as HeartRx said, TIBER was a gimmie. Totally a fair clue.
And Marino fans: He never won the Super Bowl.

For "Smoking parties" I was trying to figure out how to abbreviate "Doobie" or "Joint" or "Roach" or "Spliff" or fit ... Roll-em if you got'em.

Hand up on the Amino to Folic to BORIC Acid.
Also, GRETZKY's realm was the NHL ... and changing it to ICE (Ugh!) was my last fill.

It really 'frosts-me' when I have to put 'I' 'C' 'E'
in the grid (or anything for that matter).

A "NEAT-toast" to all at Sunset.

Anonymous said...

I don't care for the self-referential clues like SHORTU and VERBS for "Puzzling sound" and "Hide and Seek." Am I the only one who finds those lame? Maybe it's just taking me too long to catch on to those. Overall, a tough puzzle, but doable.

Bill G. said...

I've heard fairly many people say 'To-mah-to' but never 'Po-tah-to.' Does anybody say it? Maybe I've just led a sheltered life.

Anonymous said...

First saw a Job Jar in Hi and Lois comic strip.
Before your time too.