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Jul 22, 2021

Thursday July 22, 2021 David Poole

The Case of the Missing Themers

Today's outing is by frequent  contributor David Poole, a mathematician who last appeared on the Corner on July 1 of this year.  Here he was interviewed by C.C. just last September

I have to admit that I was initially very perplexed by this puzzle's theme: there is a reveal clue, but no actual theme clues for it to reveal (probably old hat for veteran solvers, but not for this relative newbie).  Here it is:

37A. Place to find a date ... and any one of four in this puzzle (circled letters are hints): CORNER STONE.

Obviously you often "find a date" on CORNERSTONES and they're usually expressed in Roman numerals.  So Bill was off and running, looking for Roman numerals in the corners, and of course found what he was looking for, as  letters like M, L, I, and V are very common in Crosswords.  But pretty soon I was down in the weeds, then began to have the sinking feeling that they were actually "seaweeds".  So I issued a distress call to the blogging team, and before you could say "splash", who bobbed to the surface but my Thursday alter-ego, and our favorite Marine Mammal,  Malodorous Manatee.  He gently explained that (1) my parsing  of CORNERSTONES was incorrect (the fill comes from the factory unparsed and bloggers first have to put spaces between any multi-word entries), and (2) that the reveal answer was really two words: CORNER STONES. With a resounding "DOH", I saw that for the want of a SPACE,  our devious constructor David had thrown me off the scent.   Each circle was the start of the given name of an entertainer, wrapped around a CORNER and the surname of each was STONE.  The grid should make sense of all the above:
Just to round things off, you can find Roman numeral dates in each corner, but they are really misdirections - I'll leave them for you to locate if you  wish.  And here are the STONES in each CORNER, clockwise from the Northwest:

EMMA STONEEmily Jean "Emma" Stone (born November 6, 1988) is an American actress.  Stone appeared in my last blog on the cover of ELLE.  This coverage had been part of the hype in the run up to the 2017 OSCARSLA LA Land, the 2016 film favored to win Best Picture, didn't get the nod, but Stone landed the Oscar for Best Actress, the first of what are sure to be many more.  Here are capsule reviews, of all of her movies and here is the "Audition (the fools who dream)" scene from LA LA Land:
OLIVER STONE. William Oliver Stone (born September 15, 1946) is an American film director, producer, and screenwriter.  I don't think that Stone makes uncontroversial films.  I'm absolutely certain that most of us, of a certain age, remember these events:
SLY STONE.  Sylvester Stewart (born March 15, 1943), better known by his stage name Sly Stone.  He is an American musician, songwriter, and record producer who is most famous for his role as frontman for Sly and the Family Stone and played a critical role in the development of Funk Music, with his pioneering fusion of soul, rock, psychedelia and gospel in the 1960s and 1970s.  And now for a little change of pace ...
SHARON STONESharon Vonne Stone (born March 10, 1958) is an American actress, producer, and former fashion model.  Noted for playing femme fatales and women of mystery on film and television, she became a popular sex symbol throughout the 1990s. She is the recipient of a Primetime Emmy Award and a Golden Globe Award, as well as having received nominations for an Academy Award and a Screen Actors Guild Award.  And to top it off, she's pretty funny.  Here she is opening up for SNL:
Oh yes, and there were other clues:

Across:

1. Sprayed in defense: MACED.  Or whacked with one of these. Ouch!
6. "Your point being?": AND.

9. With 65-Down, toon sister of Castor: OLIVE.  Here are the OYL sibs:
14. Biscayne Bay city: MIAMI.   A bit of misdirection for me, as the Bay of Biscay between France and Spain immediately came to mind.  This is the bay David wanted:
15. Zen garden swimmer: KOI.  Double-click this pic to enlarge it.  I feel more relaxed already ...

16. Richard Parker in "Life of Pi," e.g.: TIGERA philosophical novel by Canadian Yann Martel (Hi CanadianEh!) and an award winning film directed by Ang Lee. 
It's too late in life for me to read the novel, but the film is definitely on my bucket list.

17. Critical care MD: ER DOC.

18. Tall or dark: Abbr.: ADJ.  Or perhaps both, and handsome too.

19. Composer who, as it happens, died in March (1932): SOUSAJohn Philip Sousa  (November 6, 1854 – March 6, 1932) was an American composer and conductor of the late Romantic era, known primarily for American military marches.  This is a CSO to our Anonymous T ...
20. Browser list: SITES.

22. Luke, to Anakin: SON.  Luke and Anakin (before the latter went over to the Dark Side)
24. Drops off: NAPS.

25. Short jackets worn open in front: BOLEROS.  Also a theme and orchestral variations by Maurice Ravel.  Also used in the movie "10" starring Dudley More and Bo Derek.  As this is a family blog I can only share a clip of the former (15 min):
Bolero is one of the most frequently performed works in the repertoire, but Ravel was not particularly fond of it: "My masterpiece? Boléro? What next?  Sadly there is nothing musical in it!".

27. Oscar night VIP: NOMINEE.  E.g. our three theatrical STONES.

29. Actor Brynner: YULA remarkable and versatile actor who starred in just about every film genre.   If you want the whole scoop, here's a book on Amazon.  The blurb for it sums him up pretty well:
30. Poor, as odds: SLIM.

32. Offer, as a guess: HAZARD.

33. And others, in Lat.: ET AL. Short for ET ALII (plural) and ET ALIA (singular)

35. Broccoli rabe: RAPINIIn case you wondered.  Also the tender leaves sprouting from the sides of young broccoli plants can be trimmed and substituted for RAPINI.

41. Co-star of Meryl in "Death Becomes Her": GOLDIE.   In this 1992 black comedy, Streep and Hawn are rivals who fight for the affections of the same man.  Kurt Russell may be Goldie's life-long significant other, but she  is still America's sweetheart:
42. Raise, as crops: GROWGROW is something crops do all by themselves.  RAISE is something gardeners (and farmers - Hi PK!) do, helping the crops to grow.  And this gardener is not having a good season this year.  But like I always say, I'll do things differently next year.

45. Executor's charge: ESTATE.  My Mother died last December at age 95 and I was named the executor of her estate in her Will.  But as she left no estate, and prepaid all of her burial expenses, there was little for me to do.  Except, that is, for deciding what was correct among all of the conflicting advice that I was getting from various experts.

48. "__ said!": NUFF

51. Sculpture medium: ICE.  We tend to think of ICE as a short-lived medium for sculpture.  But in the North of China, where my adopted 17 year old grandson hails from, the winters are long and very cold.  His home city of Harbin, China has for many years hosted an Ice Festival during January and February:
52. Author Elmore __: LEONARD.  Elmore Leonard (October 11, 1925 – August 20, 2013) was an American novelist, short story writer, and screenwriter. His earliest novels, published in the 1950s, were Westerns, but he went on to specialize in crime fiction and suspense thrillers, many of which have been adapted into motion pictures:
Here's his official website.  Leonard's works were known around the world, and his homepage starts with an article translated from Italian, comparing him to Honoré de Balzac.

54. Calls the shots: DIRECTS.  Like my 6 year old grandson!

56. Brand at Petco: IAMS.

57. Clue suspect count: SIXThe game's six characters are Miss Scarlett, Professor Plum, Mrs Peacock, the Reverend Green, Colonel Mustard and the new Dr Orchid.  Memorize that list, as I'm sure one of them will show up in a puzzle soon.

59. Saint __, one of the only two sovereign nations named for women: LUCIA. A CSO from David to our Lucina (Spanish for Lucia I'm sure)!  Saint Lucia is an island state in the Caribbean Sea. It is the second largest of the Windward group in the Lesser Antilles and is located about 24 miles (39 km) south of Martinique and some 21 miles (34 km) northeast of Saint Vincent

Any guesses on the second sovereign nation named for a woman? It's IRELAND, named after the Celtic goddess of fertility EIRE.  The latter appears often in Cwds as a clue for Ireland or vice versa.

60. Intimidating look: STARE. A gender neutral look I suppose.

62. Civil War prez: ABE.

64. "Heaven forbid!": GOD NO.

66. Hopping mad: HET UP.  Let's see if our hopping Thesaurus has any synonyms ...
67. "ASAP!": NOW.  Over at 17A they say STAT!

68. Strike zone?: ALLEY.  Whoops! David really dropped the ball on this one.  He's going to have  some 'splainin to do to Boomer about this answer.

69. Pasta product suffix: ARONI.

70. Pink-slip: AXECAMI was too long.

71. Eldest von Trapp child, in the musical: LIESLLIESL is presumably the young lady top-center in this number:

Down:

1. Tussaud title: Abbr.: MMEMarie Tussaud, the original founder of the Wax Museum in Central London
2. Ventilates: AIRS OUT.

3. Detroit founder: CADILLAC.  That is Antoine de la Mothe CadillacCadillac Mountain in Acadia National Park in Maine is named for him.  Gee, I wonder if those expensive luxury cars from Detroit are named for him? 

4. Ham it up: EMOTE.  Moi?  I would never do that!

5. Chefs, at times: DICERS.  But I do have a great recipe for DICED HAM, noodles, peas and cream.

6. Alias letters: AKAAlso Known As.

7. Auction actions: NODS.  I never go to auctions, as I am liable to NOD off during the bidding and end up in debt for a lot of stuff I'd have to haul home.

8. City where Grey Poupon originated: DIJONDijon is capital of Côte d’Or département and of Bourgogne-Franche-Comté région, east-central France
:9. NHL tiebreakers: OTS.

10. Putting on a pedestal: LIONIZING.
11. Exotic pet: IGUANA.  These lizards are kind of scary looking, but apparently they are quite docile.  Here's what the Galapagos Conservancy has to say about them and other lizards of the island:
12. "Casino Royale" Bond girl __ Lynd: VESPER.  Played by French actress Eva Green, not your garden variety Bond babe:
13. Undid: ERASED.

21. Costa del __: SOL.

23. Like seven Nolan Ryan games: NO HIT.  He still holds the record for NO HIT games:
25. Tournament edge: BYEIn sports, BYE refers to a team automatically advancing to the next round of tournament play without competing, and "bye week" refers to a scheduled off week for a given team.

26. Fathered: SIRED.

28. Hand for Julio Iglesias?: MANO.  According to the Wiki "Iglesias is recognized as the most commercially successful continental European singer in the world and one of the top record sellers in music history, having sold more than 100 million records worldwide in 14 languages.  And here he is giving someone una mano:
31. Bay Area county: MARIN.  Also the name of the departing conductor of the Baltimore Symphony, Marin Alsop.  Here's the county:
34. 1976 Michael York/Jenny Agutter sci-fi film: LOGANS RUNAmerican Cinematographer described Logan's Run as "one of the most technically intricate films ever made.  Here are York and Agutter:
Here is Michael York's website where he discusses his affliction with Amyloidosis, a blood plasma disorder.  Jenny Agutter currently plays Sister Julienne in the popular Brit series "Call the Midwife".  My genealogist sister tells me that I have a distant cousin who writes for the series, but I've never met him.

36. Ersatz intellectual: PSEUD.

38. Membership list: ROTAAn early 17th century term: from Latin, literally ‘wheel’.  Did they have Rolodex's back then?

39. Phils and Nats: NLERS.

40. "Spamalot" co-creator: ERIC IDLE.  Here's an ear worm for you ...

43. Pump numbers: OCTANES. A rating of scale for gasoline.  OCTANE is also a chain of 8 carbon atoms, classed as a hydrocarbon:
44. Jazz guitarist Montgomery: WES.  (March 6, 1923 – June 15, 1968) was an American jazz guitarist. One of the most influential guitarists of the twentieth century, Montgomery was known for an unusual technique of plucking the strings with the side of his thumb and his extensive use of octaves, which gave him a distinctive sound. Here's his riff on Eleanor Rigby:
45. Inventor Otis: ELISHA.  Otis didn't invent elevators, he just made them safe.

46. Two-__: SEATER.

47. Part of BLT: TOMATO.  Ours are coming  in dribs and drabs.  In August we won't know what to do them all!

49. Chick-__-A: fast-food chain: FIL.

50. Not at all spendthrifty: FRUGAL.

53. Greece : Artemis :: Rome : __: DIANA.   In Roman mythology, Diana was, among other things, the goddess of the hunt, mythologically similar to the Greek goddess Artemis. The daughter of Jupiter and Latona, Diana was born with her twin brother Apollo on the island of Delos.  Here she is depicted with one of her hunting dogs:
55. Food recall trigger: ECOLI.  However certain strains of ECOLI reside in our stomachs and are essential for digestion.   Here's the difference.

58. Console with a "360" second generation: XBOX.

61. Prefix with gram or graph: EPIAn EPIGRAM is a short, pithy saying, usually in verse, often with a quick, satirical twist at the end.  A CSO to OwenKL for an example!  

An EPIGRAPH is a short statement (a sentence, a paragraph, a poem) that comes at the beginning of a literary text, but the words belong to a different author. Example of an Epigraph: ... At the beginning of The Sun Also Rises, Ernest Hemingway quotes Gertrude Stein: "You are all a lost generation."


The prefix can also connote "above", "on", or "beyond", et alii, as in Epidermis, Epitaph, Epigenetics or Epiousios. Here's a cross section of the skin showing the Epidermis:
63. Flock female: EWE.

65. See 9-Across: OYL.

waseeley with special thanks to Malodorous Manatee

Cheers,
Bill

51 comments:

OwenKL said...

FIRight.
Some unknowns: RAPINI, PSEUD, Richard Parker.
CAmpLain < CADILLAC, LIfting up < LIONIZING, off with his head < ESTATE, sneer < glARE < STARE.

Prescience of the Blog that I shared my SLY STONE anecdote a couple days ago.

Once upon a time, ERIC IDLE
Ran into his friend, Billy Idol
As they filed
Thru Idlewilde,
To audition for an Idylls of the King revival!

A TIGER by his tribe was prized.
He was, in fact, quite LIONIZED.
While a lion pride
Gave their chief a prize,
A chatoyant gemSTONE: he was Tiger Eyed!

{B, B.}

waseeley said...

{A+,A+}

OwenKL said...

Thimble Theater original cast. Castor Oyl does look a lot like Wimpy. Several other Oyl family members were introduced later.

My favorite version of Bolero is from "Allegro Non Troppo", March of the dinosaurs

desper-otto said...

Good morning!

Wow, a Thursday that was faster than a fast Wednesday yesterday. I'm surprized because today is a no-coffee morning. Caffeine deprivation tends to make d-o grouchy...OK, grouchier. Only needed Wite-Out to correct idolIZING to LIONIZING. Looked at the circles, and was expecting to find gemstones, nope persons named STONE. Very nice. Thanx, David and for your in-depth expo, Waseeley.

SIX: I guess Mr. Green got religion, and Mrs. White was too blah -- enter Dr. Orchid.

GOLDIE: A couple night's ago we re-watched Kurt Russell in Escape From L.A.. NUFF said -- a truly terrible movie. Yesterday that DVD went off to Goodwill. Speaking of movies, I'm pretty sure there's a DVD of Logan's Run kicking around here somewhere.

Lemonade714 said...

It is fun to know that our Thursday twins work together so well.

I was unaware of the update to the game CLUE but have logged many hours playing over the years. IGUANA are too common in South Florida to be considered exotic, they are not dangerous but are sometimes IN DANGER .

Michael York will always be in my memory for the lines exchanged with Liza Minelli from CABARET
Brian : Screw Maximilian!
Sally : I do.
Brian : So do I.
Sally : You two bastards!
Brian : Two? Two? Shouldn't that be three?

Thank you Bill and David

Jinx in Norfolk said...

DNF, looking up LEONARD, VESPER, and OYL (which gave me OLIVE). Thought I had made an error at ET AL x BYE, but it's just a typo on the first page of the blog.

I used to live in HAZARD (Kentucky). Beautiful mountain area. The town sustains substantial damage every few decades when the Kentucky River inundates the town.

My favorite dark - very dark - humor:
- What's OJ's favorite restaurant? Chick-FIL-A.

- What candy product did OJ inspire? The Nicole Simpson Pez dispenser.

I think I should find CABARET on one of the oldie stations.

Congrats to the Cornerites who found this one fulfilling. Not my cuppa. Thanks to Bill for 'splainin' it.

inanehiker said...

This was a challenge for me in the NE. And I needed to come to the blog to figure out the STONES. I originally had CORNER STORE - thinking of someone picking up a date at the drug store that had the soda fountain - Bzzt! Switched with perps to STONE but still needed Bill's illumination!

I just saw "Summer of Soul" at a little Indie theater near me (but it also streams on HULU) it was about the Harlem Cultural Festival in 1969 which spanned over 6 weeks and was dubbed the Black Woodstock. All the footage has just been in a box in someone's office for 50 years- until recently Questlove - musical director on the Tonight Show made it into a documentary. Anyway - I thought of it because one of the featured groups was SLY and the Family Stone. It was really well done and great music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slFiJpAxZyQ

Thanks Bill and David!

ATLGranny said...

A tricky Thursday from David, but in the end I had a FIR! The theme took some time to figure out. Like DO I searched for gemstones before seeing the Stone family names. Also like DO, I put idolizing/LIONIZING (we had idolizes yesterday). I noticed TIGER crossing LIONIZING nicely. Some of my WOs were decides/DIRECTS, atoni/ARONI, and glare/STARE (Hi OwenKL).

Thanks David and waseeley for today's challenge. Good work on the review as usual, waseeley. You spent a lot of time getting it all together for us! Much appreciated, as are all the corner comments that add to my understanding. NUFF said, time to wish you all a good day!

Big Easy said...

CORNERSTONES? I was thinking corner STORE, as in meeting a woman or getting some dates to eat. LIONIZING changed that. It was a sea of white for a long time until I FIR. I never noticed the circles and EMMA, OLIVER, SHARON, & SLY were not noticed one bit.

This puzzle was not in my wheelhouse; too much A&E. Unknowns galore filled by perps. Castor OYL, TIGER and Richard Parker, SOUSA(a WAG on that one), RAPINI, GOLDIE, Elmore LEONARD, VESPER Lynd, LOGANS RUN or York or Agutter, ERIC IDLE.

HET UP-never seen it except in a crossword puzzle and never heard anybody say it.
IGUANAS- overrunning S. FL. Falling out of trees when it gets cold.

D-otto- I've heard of 'Escape from New York' with Snake Plisskin. Hadn't heard of a sequel.
Jinx- not my cuppa either.
inanahiker- you were thinking about dates the same way as me.

Irish Miss said...

Good Morning:

I, too, needed the expo to fully understand the theme. In retrospect, it should have been discernible, but I’ll blame my obliviousness on a late-night solve. I didn’t know Vesper and Pseud without an O on the end looked strange. Thought of Steve at Marin and Boomer at Alley. I found the overall solve on the easy side for a Friday, despite the theme sailing right over m head.

Thanks, David, for an enjoyable offering and thanks, Bill, for another highly entertaining and informative review. (Thanks, MalMan, for coming to the rescue!) I particularly enjoyed the video of Emma Stone in La La Land. I had very ambivalent feelings about whether or not I was interested in watching that movie. I’m so glad I opted to see it because I loved it. Emma Stone and Ryan Gosling were perfectly cast and had electrifying chemistry, IMO. The music wasn’t too shabby, either!

Have a great day. BTW, corn is 75¢ an ear at all the farm stands in my area.

Lucina said...

Hola!

Early because I have to for my regular blood draw. In the meantime, I finished the puzzle in double time. Thank you, David Poole.

MARIN County is where I plan to be next week. Yea! Temps are in the 80s.

For me it will always be VESPERs, the evening prayers.

Thank you for the CSO at LUCIA. I'll take it!

ELISHA is such an unusual and old-fashioned name that it sticks in my memory.

ERICIDLE immediately came to mind.

FRIGAL is something I am not but sometimes wish I wee. More of a spendthrift.

The only place I've seen an IGAUNA is in Costa Rica where they sleep on trees.

Time to go. Have a sensational day, everyone!

Irish Miss said...

I guess last’s night obliviousness carried over to today which is Thursday not Friday! 🙄

FLN

Anon T, Peggy Noonan was a major speech writer for Ronald Reagan and has a column in the WSJ, I believe.

Husker Gary said...

Musings
-A challenging puzzle with SHARON finally giving me the theme! Imagine if there were no circles…
-I never knew Olive had a brother. Castor OYL? DUH!
-RA_INI/_SEUDO threatened a trip to Natickville but it seems PSEUDO can stand alone sans intellect
-8’ tall corn that GROWS on all four sides of a country intersection require extra caution
-The more familiar LEONARD Nimoy gets Wednesday off
-Unfortunately, LIESEL falls in love with a young NAZI who rats out her and her family in the cemetery
-AIRS OUT – Formerly our task for clothes before bowling ALLEYS banned smoking
-Our tour of MARIN County was during a very dry year which seems to be repeating itself
-TWO-SEATERS – These two 1955 models leap to my mind
-Nice job, Bill.

unclefred said...

Saturday came on a Thursday this week. Too many DNKs to list. I never saw the theme until I read the blog and had it ‘splained. Extremely clever. A 37 minute slog that involved some cheats. No W/Os for a change, and got all the cells filled correctly but since I cheated is this a FIR or a FIW? Terrific write-up, Bill. Glad to hear u didn’t see the theme either, that makes me feel better about me not seeing it.

Spitzboov said...

Good morning everyone.

What others have said. Tricky and intricate, but ultimately getable. FIR w/o help. The SE had to await sussing of PSEUD which yielded DIRECTS and then OCTANES. Similar drill in the SW. Had 'role' before ROTA. Saw the 'cornerstones' had the letters EOSS which anagrammed to ESSO. Had no idea how that hinted from CORNERSTONE. Good job, David. You pushed my limits.
ERDOC - - My sister was one.

Fine intro, Waseeley. Thanks.

Wilbur Charles said...

I agree that those l'icks are solid W's

D-O, thanks for Clue, clue as to who's who

The NE with all three people in a row held me up. I didn't know Wimpy was Castor. He still owes me for a hamburger I bought and it's Thursday

4 perps got me #4 on the P&P list but despite everything I FIR

I loved all that Soul in the 60s. Found myself at a party outside Newark in 67 and everyone there was black. And it was great. Love my music, luv you

I too thought of Boomer 's ears grating at ALLEY. Now Gene who's card he probably has would be different

I couldn't grok the theme mainly because it required thought- I'm saving it for Saturday. I did solve Friday- it was difficult until it wasn't.

WC

Oh yeah, fab write-up Waseeley

Wilbur Charles said...

Wilbur meter reads 17 posts at 11am, EDT. That usually indicates Difficulty

CrossEyedDave said...

Wow!
Mind blown!
(Or maybe I'm just stoned...)

Learning moments: (too many to list)
Bye,
Olive oyl had a brother?
(I was looking for Pollux, but I live in a different universe...)

Can't wait to read all the grumbling from people who don't like to be puzzled.

Ray - O - Sunshine said...

A bit of a challenge, eventually FIR but lots of inkovers: aerates/AIRSOUT, imes/IAMS, teams/NLER, timer/parter/SEATER, roll/ROTA (wha?), handto/ HAZARD (I misread the clue as offer, as a guest )...the theme...letters in the "corners" of the puzzle is as far as I got...then had to read the complete explanation, wow, clever. Oh the game Clue!!

Always forget how to spell coy? coi? koy?..KOI!!!...MD, "medical doctor" so is ERDOC ok?

By coincidence I ordered a local Utica specialty at dinner last night at a restaurant along the flood-swollen Erie Canal called hats with broccoli rabe a pasta correctly called "orecchietti" ("little ears). The waitress explained they can't get Broccoli Rabe due to Covid (huh?) so I had gnocchi in vodka sauce instead.

Ewe say "tomahto"..🍅

My daughter loves "The Sound of Music" but calls the eldest daughter Weasel . The oft-clued ired is bad ENUFF, but HETUP?...Never heard of Olive's bro Castor OYL... Dated a girl in college named DIANA Maria, called her Diarrhea, (prolly why she dumped me 🙄).

If you refuse the "Pharaoh Ramses" role, Mr. Brynner, ___ be sorry....YUL
Request.....AXE
Usher....SEATER

Finally forward to Friday...what a week! down one colleague.

Anthony Gael Moral said...

Finished in record time, for me, but when I did I didn't know what I had. I guess I'm not as smart as I tell everyone I am. Not a problem though; no one believes me.

Anonymous said...

I gave up trying to figure out what the circled letters meant. Thanks for the explanation--I get it now!

For ersatz intellectual I had FREUD at first, then ended up with _SEUD crossed with RA_INI.
I had no idea. PSEUD? UGH! I could see maybe PSEUDO for pseudo-intellectual. Oh well.

I was pleased with myself for remembering LOGAN'S RUN. I kind of mix it up with THE RUNNING MAN with Arnold.

CASTOR sure looks like WIMPY to me and I'd never heard of him even though I watched Popeye as a kid. Kind of obscure.

NUFF said. On to Friday.

Ron in LA said...

Re 50 down, spendthrifty ? C'mom..

Yellowrocks said...

Unclefred, my thoughts exactly, not in my wheelhouse. I had several lookups, so I can't claim FIR.
I cried, "Uncle!" on the Saturday puzzle. Other than that, this was the hardest puzzle for me in the last seven days. The theme was no help because I don't know any of the Stones. Friday's puzzle was much easier for me.
"I can't get no satisfaction." today.
50D, unlike a spendthrift would be smoother for frugal.

Acesaroundagain said...

Theme zoomed over my head. No clue. Thanks Bill.

CanadianEh! said...

Thursday toughie. Thanks for the fun, David (greetings to a fellow-Canadian) and waseeley (extra thanks to you and MM for explaining the theme).
Officially. DNF today; I required Google help in the centre (LOGANSRUN, MARIN, GOLDIE).
Several other inkblots to change Alpo to IAMS, Irate to HET UP, and correct my initial spelling of Lisel to LIESL (although I think we had a discussion on this spelling here recently🤔 Spitzboov?).
But the theme went right over my head. I was debating between an online dating site or a calendar, until CORNERSTONES finally appeared. EOSS was not making sense, and after the amount of time already spent on this CW, I gave up and came here. The STONES were just too hidden (I needed all the name letters to be circled today 😮). Ah well!

Yes, ATLGranny, I smiled at TIGER crossing LIONIZING (plus IGUANA if you include more exotic pets).
I was misdirected with “pump numbers” thinking of shoes. (Spitzboov, ESSO would have fit with OCTANES.)
It is probably sous- chefs who are DICERS; “at times” was appropriate in the clue.
Again today, we move from one ocean to the other with a “Biscayne Bay city” and a “Bay Area county”

BLTs coming soon I hope from a TOMATO that I GROW👍
St LUCIA comes second to Bermuda (discussed the other day) IMHO but still beautiful. It is more volcanic and tropical. We had a wonderful sail to the Pitons on the ship used in filming Pirates of the Caribbean. (But the clue was a learning moment.)

Wishing you all a great day.

Misty said...

Thursday toughie for me, David, but still fun. And always enjoy your commentary, Waseeley.

Got the small top middle section right off, which gave me a good start--before the struggling began. OLIVE OYL was a nice surprise. Nice to see YUL Brynner in the puzzle and GOLDIE. ICE would never have occurred to me as a sculpture medium. Didn't know CADILLAC was a Detroit founder--interesting.

Nice poems, Owen.

Have a good day, everybody.

Lucina said...

The husband of one of my nieces restores old luxury cars so I often see TWO-SEATERS in their garage or driveway. They arrive dented, often rusted and beaten up and after many months they leave in mint condition. It's not unusual to see their dining room table covered with a sheet and rods, screws and other small parts arranged on it.

For the first time ever I arrived at the Lab before anyone else but still had to wait before being called. Luckily I have a good book to read and no other commitments to meet today. My bed looked good when I came home.

Oh, now I see the CORNERSTONES are names! Earlier I was in too much of a hurry to look.

YR:
It surprises me that you don't know of OLIVER STONE who has directed so many movies.

EMMA STONE is from Arizona and started acting in a children's theater group in Tempe. The local newspaper, The Arizona Republic, did a feature story on her last year.

waseeley said...

CEh! @11:47AM

We had our first BLTs yesterday. Well BLATs actually (Bacon, Lettuce, Avocados and Tomatos). Fixed them as wraps:

Substitute Sriracha aioli for mayo on the wrap and add:

a few fresh basil leaves
crumbled bacon
shredded lettuce
mashed avocado
chopped tomato

Wrap tight and bite. Yummers!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for explaining.
Just FYI, typo in the grid...BYE, not BYA

waseeley said...

Anonymous @12:43 PM. Thank you. No matter how many times I proofread, I always miss something!

Ol' Man Keith said...

Interest PZL from Mr. Poole.
FIR, Tough but not too tough for a Thursday.

Pretty tricky theme. I didn't even try.
~ OMK
____________
DR:
Two diagonals, one to a side.
The near side is deficient in vowels, but the far side offers an interesting mix of letters. I am intrigued by one anagram (12 of 15 letters) that seems to call out for at least one additional word.
The anagram? Here goes...

"HUE AMPERSAND..."!
See what I mean?
What must follow?
Is it "CRY," as in "HUE & CRY" or What?!

Jayce said...

Except for those STONES, which I didn't see or understand, but which are pretty clever, I found this to be a nice run-of-the-mill puzzle. FIR without help.
Thanks to waseeley and Malodorous Manatee for your explanation and commentary.
Take care, all.

CanadianEh! said...

waseley@12:31- yummers! I must try that recipe when my TOMATOes ripen. I don’t usually have avocados in the house, but will look for some.

Yellowrocks said...

Lucina, I seldom pay attention to directors, even famous ones who directed movies I love. Directors are not in my wheelhouse or area of interest.
I very seldom go to the movies, but I do watch them on TV. When I was courting my husband, a movie buff, he used to ask me if I had seen a certain movie. My answer was usually, "No, but I read the book."
I bought patio tomato plants on Mothers Day weekend and have been harvesting small ripe tomatoes for a month with plenty of YUMMY BLTs. These are the earliest tomatoes this Jersey Girl has ever seen.

Spitzboov said...

Misty - - Detroit was founded by the French explorer team of de CADILLAC and de Gearshift.

AnonymousPVX said...


This Thursday grid was tough in spots, sticky in others.

Write-overs….(24A) NODS/NAPS. I knew it was incorrect as soon as 7D filled.

Otherwise no issues, although I never saw the theme or the 4 Stones. The “P” in the RAPINI/PSEUD came late. PSEUD sounds British to me.

See you tomorrow.

PK said...

Hi Y'all! Interesting puzzle, David! Unlike D-O, I found it harder than yesterday.

Thanks, Bill & MalMan, for 'splainin' the theme which definitely STONE-walled me. Even after the expo, I wondered who SHARONI was. Then I read further. Duh!

My son is supposed to be basking on the beach in St. LUCIA even as I write. Thanks, Bill, for the info about the island. My son and I had a non-irate argument about where it is as he was driving to the airport. I don't think either of us knew. Got to LIU.

My sis lived in Marin Co. Gimmee.

Elvis started singing "I'm all HET UP" in my brain. Then I decided that song was "All Shook UP".

Thought Biscayne Bay was in Australia, but guess that's Botany Bay. Real geography lesson today.

CADILLAC as the Detroit founder was on some game show I watched this week.

DNK: nine names/things I don't want to talk about.

jfromvt said...

I like a theme that, when figured out, also helps with the solve. This one was just meh. I was able to complete the puzzle just fine without a need to know the theme.

Malodorous Manatee said...

Thanks for tackling a tough Thursday with aplomb, Bill, and thanks to you and others for the CSO. Sometimes the magic works . . . and sometimes it doesn't.

Anonymous T said...

Hi A11!

Son'ova... FIW w/ SaL | BOLERaS...

Thanks David for a puzzler of a puzzle. Did not get the theme (I kept trying to anagram the circles into a stone - eoss(?)). Oh, 'date' is neither a (hopefuly) romantic evening nor a fruit...

Wonderful expo Waseely (and MManatee?). Thanks for the learning and explaining the theme.

WOs: idolIZING, frUED -> PSUED, ELISiA, ROle->ROTA, ELISiA, & I can never spell OCTAins right (and I work for a O&G!)
ESPs & copious WAGs: YES!!! [Too many to list]
Fav: I'll go w/ MARIN & LUCI(n)A - hope we can meet up there.

CSO to MME DeFarge

{A, B+}
re DR: Or a multi-colored '&', OMK :-)

FLN - Thank you IM. Reagan's speechwriter. I like Will Safire's (R)-work better :-)

YR - said "I can't get no satisfaction." Is that DEVO or The STONEs? ;-)

Today was the second day the new SOC (Security Operations Center) Analyst was shadowing me. I was showing her how to use all our tools to review a potential incident.
"Do you always have a crossword puzzle?"
"Yes."
As she reviewed the newspaper on my desk, "You really know all these answers?"
"No," I said as I started an automated analysis process. It was going to take about 2 minutes.
I smiled and grabbed the paper, "Now we wait - which is why I have a crossword." :-)

Cheers, -T

Emile O'Touri said...

Well, color me confused. Never did figure out what the theme was going for.I do not understand why anyone would want to solve a puzzle that needs an explainer at the end so you can appreciate just how great it is and just how much you really should have enjoyed solving it.

Jayce said...

Emile O'Touri, you have a point.

waseeley said...

CEh! @2:15 PM Thanx for the gentle correction on Tomatoes. Something only your friends will tell you. I should have recalled that, as it is a member of the Nightshade family (i.e. potatoes), that it would be pluralized the same way. Not to mention all the grief that it caused Dan Quayle. I did get Avocados correct though. You'll love the wraps!

Ray - O - Sunshine said...

Dan Quayle couldn't help it. His own name is spelt rawng.

😁

waseeley said...

Emile and Jayce. Occasionally I find themes helpful in the solve, but the actual solution to this puzzle was pretty straightforward. The only time I have to really worry about them is when I have to explain them. This is the first time I recall having had to call for help. FWIW, C.C. tipped me off to a multi-page entry on the Cruciverb site that explains themes in depth.
This site is primarily targeted at constructors, but also looks potentially useful to bloggers, and anyone else hopelessly addicted to cruciverbalism.

waseeley said...

Ray - O @7:09 PM LMAO!!!

Spitzboov said...

re: OCTANE spelling. Straight chain saturated hydrocarbons' names end in -ane. Examples: ethane, hexane, propane.

Just like sugars end in -ose. ie Fructose, sucrose, lactose.

Malodorous Manatee said...

Waseeley at 7:10 - That list of theme concepts is extensive. Then, of course, we have to/get to deal with clues that intentionally obfuscate, are just a bit off kilter, and intentionally misdirect us in myriad ways. Also, let's not forget the terrible puns (is that redundant?). No wonder these things continue to hold our interest.

CanadianEh! said...

waseeley@6:59pm- LOL I had not even noticed your misspelling 🍅🤔😁
I was capitalizing (is that akin to LIONIZING?) the part of the word that was in the CW.
Isn’t the English language the most unpredictable . . . .?
I have Avocados on my shopping list for tomorrow.

Lucina said...

A loud and strong thunderstorm is in progress at the moment with lots of RAIN! The electricity might go off at any moment so I have to make this fast and shut off the computer. Love the tomato stories. None here.

OwenKL said...

If we're going to comment on grids, might I recommend to expo-ers that if you are going to have a word highlighted, make it the reveal, with the current letter on the initial of the second word, please? The highlighting today was particularly confusing.

Today's theme was an anomoly in that it could not in any way have been been sussed without the reveal (which gave the essential STONE), and probably not without the circles, either!

I had to look up PSEUD, Thinking it was a mis-application of PSEUDO, but found it is a real word of its own:
|pseud /so͞od/ derogatory
|noun
| an intellectually pretentious or affected person.
| "at the height of the band's career, he was thought to be the biggest pseud in rock"
|adjective
| intellectually pretentious or affected.
| "to seek inspiration in literature or folklore is to risk being pilloried as pseud"

J. Wellington Wimpy and Castor Oyl are not the same character, tho they do resemble ach other. Wimpy is not part of the Oyl family.

I thought CADILLAC was an Indian chief, a Native American name, not a French one.