Nov 21, 2008

Friday November 21, 2008 Edgar Fontaine

Theme: Sequels - Better Than the Originals

18A: Barbra Streisand sequel?: FUNNIER GIRL

24A: Adam Sandler sequel? HAPPIER GILMORE

40A: Lee Marvin sequel?: THE DIRTIER DOZEN

52A: Molly Ringwald sequel?: PRETTIER IN PINK

63A: Dennis Hopper sequel?: EASIER RIDER

Very interesting "Y" --> "IER" sequel idea, very creative. Is there a movie title with the word "ugly"?

"Dirty Harry" would have matched better with the other movie titles, with no "THE". But it has an even amount of numbers. So it's impossible to be structured in row #8.

I laughed at the clue for DIET (41D: Lose on purpose?). Remember what Lisa said about the "Loses on purpose?" clue on "The Simpsons"? Forward to 8:36, she said "DIETS.....Will Shortz, you clever rascal".

I don't think the "?" mark is necessary for PYRES (71A: Funeral arrangements?), but TILDE (13D: Spanish accent mark) could have been clued as "Señorita's curve?", with a "?" mark. The EGIS (19D: Patronage) needs a "var." hint.

I love how RAIN (42D: Precipitation) parallels DROP (43D: Let lapse). Only wish DROP were clued as "Bit of 42D".


1A: Moon buggy: LEM (Lunar Excursion Vehicle). I like this "buggy" clue. Better than "NASA vehicle".

14A: Clare of "Bleak House": ADA. I've never heard of Dickens' "Bleak House". I wanted INA, thinking of the actress INA Claire, who often appeared in our puzzle.

15A: Disney's Little Mermaid: ARIEL. Do you collect Barbie dolls? ARIEL is very reasonably priced. Some of the "I Love Lucy" and "The Munsters" dolls are quite expensive. This is the original Barbie, probably worth thousands of dollars.

16A: Isle in the Bay of Naples: CAPRI. Is "Bay of Naples" the same as Gulf of Naples?

20A: Kind of crazy?: STIR. Got it from down fills. I was not familiar with STIR-crazy. Good clue though.

22A: African river: CONGO. Too bad, our editor missed an opportunity to pay tribute to Michael Crichton.

23A: Pioneer film Browning: TOD. He is the director of "Dracula" & "Freaks". Unknown to me. He looks like a very cold guy.

30A: Affirmative action?: NOD. Great clue.

44A: Pueblo dweller: HOPI. The answer would have been ZUNI if it were a Barry Silk puzzle.

46A: Dawn goddess: EOS. It's Aurora for the Romans. I am confused, how can a goddess name ends in "os"? I thought only Greek masculine nouns end in "os", "is" and "as". Or "us" as in Zeus I suppose.

59A: Thing, in law: RES

69A: Basketry willow: OSIER


2D: Archie's better half: EDITH. I've seen one or two episodes. Pretty funny.

3D: Beatles phenomenon: MANIA

5D: Indonesian islands: ARU. See the lower right corner of this map. I would not have got it without the across fills.

6D: Insomuch as: SINCE. Do you like "SINCE I Don't Have You"?

7D: Domingo, e.g.: TENOR. Domingo performed at the closing of Beijing Summer Olympics.

9D: Roll of papyrus: SCROLL

11D: Typify: EPITOMIZE

21D: Record speed?: RPM

25D: Roz on "Frazier": PERI. Boy, I can never remember PERI Gilpin's name. PERI is also the fairy in Persian mythology.

26D: Borodin prince: IGOR. Or "Composer Stravinsky".

27D: Shifty shark: MAKO. I wanted ORCA. Wow, look at this big hook.

32D: Tongue ___: DEPRESSOR. "Twister" does not fit.

38D: Sign of summer: LEO. Or Uncle LEO of "Seinfeld".

48D: Fast-lane woe: STRESS

52D: Occurring before surg.: PRE-OP. "Before surg." should be sufficient.

58D: Whitewater vessel: KAYAK. What's so special about "Whitewater"? Why not other river? Whitewater always reminds me of the Clinton scandal.



Dennis said...

Good morning, c.c. and gang - well, I was expecting something of a hammer today, but it turned into another speed run. This one was almost as fast as yesterday, especially once the theme was apparent. The only pause was on 'fast-lane woe' - I was looking for something car-related, but the perps took care of it.

Couple of great DF clues in this one, but since those days appear to be in the past, I'll let them ride. Damn shame.

Today is False Confession Day - use it well, and make it a great weekend. Off to the gym.

Martin said...

14 minutes 22 seconds. A new record for me. Once I got THE DIRTIER DOZEN I was able to fill in all five theme fills. That helped. The unknowns (OASTS, ADA, ARU, EGIS, TOD, IGOR, MAKO, HOPI, RES, IRE and OSIER) were all easily obtained from the perps.

C.C., just a few days ago you were complaining about puzzles with too many IERs (amongst other things). Does it seem sometimes as though people just don't listen to you? Ah but you liked this puzzle. Well I guess then the NESS themed puzzle will be coming out soon. :)


Martin said...


How about "Clint Eastwood Sequel?" THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLIER Oooh, 25 letters. Maybe for a Sunday puzzle then.


C.C. Burnikel said...

I do hate when there is an excessive amount of IER & NESS suffixes in a grid. Today's puzzle is special. The theme is unique and I don't believe it's been tried before. I like the originality. How can you fit a 25-letter word into a 21*21 grid?

Does the "long e" refer to eta? Is the e in epsilon a "short e" then?

Now I have to agree with you. The clue for TAS yesterday was not tight. "Island state of Oz" is better.

Martin said...

How can you fit a 25-letter word into a 21*21 grid?

I'll answer that question when I've had a nap and can think straight again. Yeah! That's the ticket!


Anonymous said...

White water rafting is fantastic, what a rush! We went to the Grand Canyon and rafted the Colorado for nine days. It's referred to as "White Water" because of the heavy currents and white foam from the water. Regular river rafting can't be compared to white water, it's for amateurs.

The "Whitewater Scandal" refers to the Whitewater Development Corp. that was associated with the Clinton Admin.


Argyle said...

Good Morning, and right to business.

My unknowns:
13A) Clare of "Bleak House" - Ada - Another Ada Clare: Ada Clare (1834-1874), born Jane McElhenney, was an American actress, writer, and feminist. She became known as the "Queen of Bohemia". Clare suffered a dog bite in her theatrical agent's office, and died from rabies.

23A) Pioneer filmmaker Browning - Tod / Tod Browning, AKA Charles Albert Browning, 1882 - 1962, director, Freaks '32, Dracula '31

28A) Ryan or Tilly - Meg / Meg Tilly, Born Margaret E. Chan, 1960, actress, Sister Agnes in Agnes of God

5D) Indonesian island - Aru / Aru Islands, a group of 95 islands in the Moluccas, Indonesia

Your unknown:
27D) Shifty shark - Mako '61 concept car Corvette.

Is there a movie title with the word "ugly"?
Coyote Ugly

And...6D: Do you like "SINCE I Don't Have You"?

Are you using my muse?

Barry G. said...

Morning, folks!

Easy puzzle for me today. Ridiculously easy, in fact. The only unknowns for me today were... Actually, there weren't any. ^_^ It helped immensely that I knew all the movie titles right off the bat.

Overall a nice puzzle (albeit too easy). My only complaint was seeing PIN (short Personal Identification Number) clued as "ATM number." Oh -- and I never thought of MAKO sharks as being particualrly shifty, but then again I've never actually met one before....

Argyle said...

Oops! I dropped the "s" off "Aru Islands. There is no single Aru Island; it is the Aru Island Group.

Dick said...

Good morning CC, DFs And DFettes...nice easy puzzle today. I did not know the Adam Sandler film but got it from the perps and I had to think a bit about "The Dirtier Dozen". I remembered it as only Dirty Dozen and then the AHA moment.

Snowing here this morning and supposed to continue through out the day. Oh well I guess it is winter. Hope you all have a great day.

Dick said...

Argyle your Mako Shark link does not work.

Anonymous said...

The Adam Sandler movie is misspelled.

It's Happier Gilmore

Argyle said...

Here, Barry, you can have your own Mako Shark.

Dennis said...

argyle, do you remember the original Mako Shark I & II Corvette concept cars back in the early and mid-sixties? They were both harbingers of what was to come.

Back in the 70s, I had a '66 Vette for a couple years; sold it for a couple thousand. Same car's now worth about $80K. If we'd only known...

Barry G. said...

Nice shark, Argyle!

I'm saving up for a hemi-powered Dodge Magnum, though.... ^_^

Argyle said...

Dennis, ain't that the truth.

Dick, there were two Mako's on eBay when I posted the first time and there is only one now. Somebody had the right bait.

Barry, I'll local Sheriff cars are the new Magnums, scary fast, they say.

Dick said...

Dennis and argyle, In the early to mid 60's I would buy wrecked Vettes, repair them and then sell them hoping that I could get $2,500 to $2.800 for each one. At one point I had three 1963 split window coupes repaired and sitting in my driveway ready to sell. Sure wish I had them today.

Jeannie said...

Dennis, did you mean the string:
Easier Rider, Prettier in Pink, Dirtier Dozen making a Happier Gilmore?

kazie said...

As you all agree, this was another easy one. I didn't know everything, but it all fell together without even having to read all the clues.

After my "Greek lesson" yesterday, I can tell you that the -os ending is rare for feminine nouns, but apparently the rare ones hang on for frequently used common words, or in this case frequently invoked goddesses.

I didn't answer your last question yesterday because I discovered I'd overrun my limit of 5 posts. No, I haven't read Bruce Chatwin's Songlines. I know a little about the Aboriginal Dreamtime though. I have a great admiration for their ability for sensing things, and surviving in the desert. I think they and the Native Americans have much in common as related to their respect for nature and the feeling that the land owns man, rather than the reverse. Sadly, another thing they share is their almost extermination at the hands of the English settlers.

Dennis said...

jeannie, you're very perceptive. Don't forget 'tongue depressor' though.

Jeannie said...

Dennis sorry for the error. I'll have to take a few laps.

Anonymous said...

mark - Buenos Aires

Kazie "English settlers" - surely some Irish and Scots there also, LOL

c.c. remember the film "Stir Crazy"

I dont know much about American cars but could it be "Shifty shark" refers to manual gearbox as opposed to automatic?

can anybody tell me what a "tongue depressor" is, are "scolds bridles" (UK) or "branks" (USA) what is being referred to?

Lovely 80 degree day, have a great weekend.

DoesItinInk said...

This was a too easy puzzle yet again. We could use a bit of a challenge, eh?

I do not like Adam Sandler at all, so I had never heard of his movie Happy Gilmore. I did see his movie Punch Drunk Love which was touted as a breakout role for him. I thought it was one of the worst, most offensive movies I had ever seen. Generally reviewers raved about it, and audiences hated it. Several weeks after its release the cultural editor of the Chicago Tribune wrote an article about this discrepancy between reviewers and audiences in which she basically said that movie viewers were just not sophisticated enough to appreciate the movie. Grrrr!

I don’t recall if I have ever seen The Dirty Dozen, but Lee Marvin was very funny in Cat Ballou.

I just heard on NPR this morning that most of the world’s supply of cobalt is in the rebel-controlled NE CONGO. Cobalt is a critical in the manufacture of lithium batteries which among other things are being developed for electric cars.

@cc: In the Greek alphabet, both eta and iota are pronounced as a ‘long e’; and epsilon as a short e. Here is a pronounciation guide that may help. Modern Greek pronunciations are in yellow.

DoesItinInk said...

@mark in Buenos Aires - Tongue DEPRESSORS are flat objects that doctors use to hold your tongue down while examining the back of your throat.

Dennis said...

jeannie, much as I'd like to keep this going, I'm now at 4 posts already against the 5 limit (which is pretty hard to swallow).

Anonymous said...

Is there a movie title with "ugly"?
Yes, the 2006 film "Ugly Betty".
/Der Katz

Anonymous said...

Dennis, email to jeannie.

kazie said...

Unfortunately most of the Irish weren't "settlers", but convicts. The Scots, I'm not sure about. But many descendents of all the above were just as bad as the originals in their disdain of the Abos.

thanks for the pronumciation link. the one I had was a bit off, with eta shown as the equivalent of English letter H, which had me confused.

I also loved the movie Cat Ballou, the scene in the clip is of course hilarious, and I had always remembered the shot of the horse looking too drunk to stand straight up against the wall.

DoesItinInk said...

@kazie: I also saw "eta" as "H" in several pronunciation guides, and I agree that is misleading. The capital "eta" is written as "H", but that has nothing to do with the pronunciation.

BTB-I left a post for you yesterday at 3:36 pm.

kazie said...

I did see it--I responded to the second part of it here at 8;46 am, but I am just jealous of your trip to the NT, so there was nothing to say on that! It's on my list of places I have to go on the next trip home.

Razz said...

1963 Film starring Marlon Brando The Ugly American
Hope everyone has a great weekend ;~p

Crockett1947 said...

Good morning, everyone!

Once again, not a bad puzzle. I did have DIVE for 41D, but the perps didn't work out and I soon found the error of my ways. I caught the theme early and it was helpful.

The Good, The Bad, and the UGLIER? Naw, that doesn't work out. I like your suggestions for alternate clues.

Have a great Friday!!

Clear Ayes said...

Good Morning All, At the beginning, little three words had me "knitting" my brow. ADA, ARU and TOD were unknowns, but the surrounds quickly took care of them.

After that, there were no problems. I'm a movie fan and all the titles came easily.

CAPRI reminded me of Frank Sinatra's version of Isle of Capri.

Doesitinink and Kazie, Here's a photo of the horse from Cat Ballou. Lee Marvin did win an Academy Award for his performance and gave the credit to the horse.

C.C. I spent a lot of time listening to the Skyliners singing "SINCE I Don't Have You", when my first steady boyfriend and I broke up. OK, he dumped me and my heart was broken for at least a month.

g8rmomx2 said...

Hi c.c. and all,

Easy puzzle today once you figured out the theme. I had seen or heard of all of the movies.

Dennis, Argyle, Dick: When my husband was stationed in Hawaii we belonged to the Corvette club and owned the following corvettes, but not all at once: Two 62's with removeable hard tops, 65 coupe, and the best one and most unique a66 425HP/427CI, tinted windows, teak wheel, side pipes, factory heater deletion, with removeable hard top. It got 3 1/2 MPG when we first got it and my husband got it up to 8 MPG when he replaced the carburetor. We paid $2,200 for it and sold it 3 months later for $4,000 and thought we made a killing. We keep waiting for it to appear on Barrett Jackson!

carol said...

Good morning all, easy, and no Googling.
I did have to wait for some fills to get 23A and 34D, but those were easy too.

Speaking of easy, I could 'take five'(preferably more) with and 'easy rider', it would 'stir' me up and drive me crazy!

g8rmomx2 said...

c.c: How about:

Clint Eastwood sequel:
The Good, The Bad, The Uglier

Walt Disney sequel:
The Uglier Duckling

Marlon Brando sequel:

The Uglier American

Clear Ayes said...

C.C. Yesterday's question about"rouge my knees" -

Fortunately, I'm too young to remember (I don't get to write that too often LOL) the Flapper era of the 1920's.

According to Wikipedia, "Young women wore short skirts, bobbed their hair, listened to the new Jazz music, and flaunted their disdain for what was then considered acceptable behavior. The flappers were seen as brash for wearing excessive makeup, drinking, treating sex in a casual manner, smoking, driving automobiles, and otherwise flouting conventional social and sexual norms."

"Skirts rose to just below the knee by 1927, allowing flashes of knee to be seen when a girl danced or walked into a breeze, although the way they danced made any long loose skirt flap up to show their knees. Flappers powdered or put rouge on their knees to show them off when dancing."

g8rmomx2 said...


Sorry, didn't see that Martin and Crockett already mentioned The Good, The Bad, The Uglier!

JD said...

Good morning CC and all,
This was another easier than most c/ws for me. I did have a few pauses here'n there. I did not like oho(31D), and felt it should have been a-ha. But then Hopi would become Hapi, god of the Nile, and I don't believe there is a "nad." At 1st I had senor for tenor, and fling for sling. It didn't look right, so I g'd hops kilns..a new word, oast houses. Why is Leo a sign of summer?CC, I also liked rain next to drop.
So i did better than eking this one out today;actually finished before I went to school.

Anonymous said...

Your answer for 29A doesn't work out. Happier Grilmore iso 15 spaces and there are only 14 to work with It comes out to happier grimore. Strange that no one else made that observation. Maybe I am all wet and if so would like a response. I'd like a response in any event. I love your blog. Keep up the good work.

JD said...

anon @11:58

kazie said...

anon at 11:58
it was pointed out as gilmore at 7:47 am.

Leo is the astrological sign that is for the summer months of July 23-August 22. that one took me a while too.

Clear Ayes said...

I have been looking for a love poem for a few day. This one is pretty famous and has even been set to music. It is very romantic. If any of you guys want to get lucky tonight, you couldn't do better than to recite this one to your inamorata.

To Celia

Drink to me, only, with thine eyes,
And I will pledge with mine;
Or leave a kiss but in the cup,
And I'll not look for wine.
The thirst that from the soul doth rise,
Doth ask a drink divine:
But might I of Jove's nectar sup,
I would not change for thine.

I sent thee, late, a rosy wreath,
Not so much honouring thee,
As giving it a hope, that there
It could not withered be.
But thou thereon didst only breathe,
And sent'st back to me:
Since when it grows, and smells, I swear,
Not of itself, but thee.

- Ben Jonson

Ben Jonson was an acquaintance of Shakespeare. They may have had a friendly rivalry. When Shakespeare died, Jonson astutely said, "He was not of an age, but for all time." Jonson didn't do too badly himself since this poem is 400 years old.

Jeannie said...

What Carol, not a dirtier dozen?

Anonymous said...

Dennis: Thanks for the blog! I just discovered it about a week ago. Very enjoyable. It's great to feel I'm doing the Star Tribune puzzles alongside a community.

Anonymous at 9:05: Scold's bridle. Ewww.

Clear Ayes: Since you're mentioning love poetry, do you know the story behind Elizabeth Barrett Browning's Sonnets from the Portuguese?

Here are the sonnets themselves:

(Anyone: How do you post URLs as links instead of the ugly way I'm doing them above?)

DoesItinInk said...

@Oottrree: I cannot type the actual html command here or it will appear as a link. So I will use GT for > and LT for <, meaning that wherever I have GT, you type >, etc. So the html instruction for a link is:

LTa href=xxxxxGTdddddLT/aGT

where xxxxx is the actual link including the http: portion, and ddddd is any descriptive text of your choice. This descriptive text is what will appear on the blog.

Here is a link to some common html commands.

I hope this helps.

Dennis said...

Ottrree, thanks, but it's not my blog; I'm a minor player on here, just usually the first post. The blog was created by c.c. and is maintained by her (see her bio on the main page). I'm glad you're enjoying it and you're right, it's nice to compare notes about the daily puzzles; we've got a very eclectic and diverse group here, so you'll see lots of different opinions.

carol said...

Jeannie, that might leave me with a depressed tongue!

Crockett1947 said...

@ottrree This is C.C.'s blog. Dennis is just another member of the community.

To see how to do the links, go to the main page of the blog and scroll down to where it says "Comments & Others" and click on the HTML Links link and follow the directions. Welcome to the blog.

I see dennis and doesitinink have also responded. It should be easy now, LOL!

Unknown said...

*blush* Thanks for the correction, Dennis, and apologies, c.c. -- it really is a very good blog...

Clear Ayes said...

Oottree, or is it Ree? Doesitinink posted a clever way to describe how to make a link. There is only one important addition.

Use quotation marks " before and after the xxxxx.

LTa href="xxxxx"GTdddddLT/aGT

Here are your links,scold's bridle, E.B. Browning, Sonnets From The Portuguese.

Yes, I am familiar with both Brownings. I've posted a couple of both Elizabeth's and Robert's poems over the past several months. They were both amazingly talented poets. Personally, of the two, I am more partial to Robert Browning's poetry.

I'm a poetry lover and have subjected the rest of the blog members to lots of poems. Some of them have been hits and some have been misses, but we all enjoy our exchanges on various topics, as well as the daily crossword. (C.C. is a generous blog master and within a few limits, let's us have our say.)


Jeannie said...

Carol, I wouldn't think your tongue would be too depressed.

DoesItinInk said...

@Clear Ayes and Oottrree: The quotes are not required.

with quotes:
Stuck in the Middle with You

without quotes:
Fountains of Wayne

Anonymous said...

Hi C.C and gang,
Has anyone heard how Kelsey Grammer from "Frasier" is doing ?
I still watch the reruns.
Have a nice weekend,

Clear Ayes said...

Doesitinink, Ree, et al, Whaddaya know! I was just going by the way I learned it from C.C.'s HTML Links instructions. (I did that last one without the quote marks.) It works both ways. That will save some time. Thanks.

embien said...

7:21 today. ADA, UTA, TOD were unknown to me, but that's not unusual as proper names are not my forté. We've seen ARU before, but I couldn't recall the exact spelling (thought it was ARA at first).

I liked the theme and thought it was cute, even though I wasn't familiar with all the movies. One problem with a substitution theme is that once you figure out "substitute Y with IER in a film title" the other theme entries are filled in quite rapidly and the puzzle ends up being too easy.

C.C. Burnikel said...

Martin & Kazie,
Did you read Mimi's comment @6:24am? Shouldn't the clue for KAYAK be "White water" instead of "Whitewater" then?

And...6D: Do you like "SINCE I Don't Have You"? Are you using my muse? I don't understand this comment. Today's "Shifty shark" is asking for the shark MAKO, not the car, right?

Great point on PIN.

Kazie & Ink,
Don't forget Erinyes (the Furies). Another example of female name ending with "es".

C.C. Burnikel said...

Mark in BA,
Thanks for "Stir Crazy". Unknown to me before. I've never heard of Scold's Bridle either.


Clear Ayes,
I saw "Quantum of the Solace" only because I loved "Casino Royale". But what a quantum leap, backward! Too much action.

Why did you delete your previous comment? It's a great link.

C.C. Burnikel said...

As always, thanks for the theme ideas. You have an interesting mind.

You've been very quiet in the past several days.

Kit, Night owl & Jvj,
No comment lately? Is my blog too boring now?

C.C. Burnikel said...

Der Katz & Razzberry,
Thanks for the "Ugly Betty" & "The Ugly American". Both have an odd number of letters, great for theme answer for Row #8.

DIVE for "Lose on purpose"? I thought you watched the "The Simpsons" link a couple of days ago.

Anonymous @ 7:47am & 11:58am,
Thanks for pointing out the mistake on "Happier Gilmore". I corrected it as soon as I got access to the blog.

kazie said...

You're right about white water--it should have been separate. I meant to comment on that earlier but forgot.
Thanks too for the extra -es example. You have an amazing mind. I forget so many things we meet here. Until I meet them several times, a lot of them get lost in the fog.

I was going to say something about Capri too. When I was in Italy, there was a garbage collectors strike. Someone cited the old quote: "See Naples and die" Presumably it's a reference to the beauty of the bay and its islands shining on the azure sea--only after seeing it can you be free to die. But then someone else said: "Yes, and die from the stench!"

Argyle said...

C. C. said...@6:01 PM "Are you using my muse?" I don't understand this comment.

I was kidding you about coming up with a song that may have been inspired by my muse, Euterpe. Yes, I do like "SINCE I don't have you."

Today's "Shifty shark" is asking for the shark MAKO, not the car, right?

As for the shifty shark, I'm pretty sure he meant the car, but the car was named for the shark, not because the Mako was sneaky but it is the fastest swimming shark. Of course, sharks don't have gears to shift. They don't even have reverse; they have to keep moving forward all the time.

KittyB said...

Hi, all. It's unusual for me to post so late, but I just finished reading the blog for today.

C.C., Yesterday I was preparing for the dreaded colonoscopy which took place this morning. All is well.

This was a fairly easy puzzle for me. I didn't know that MAKO was used to identify a car, but it fit. When I couldn't make "Funny Lady" fit, I went on to other clues and realized what the theme must be.

Doesitinink, thanks for the information on to quote or not to quote. How is your daughter?

Clear ayes, thanks for the links on Elisabeth Barret Browning and the sonnets.

Welcome, Ree and thanks for those same links.

Crockett, your new picture reminds me of a photo I've seen of a poet...I think an American poet, but I can't recall which at the moment. Clear Ayes, does that ring any bells for you??

Have a good night, all!

Dennis said...

KittyB, when I first saw Crockett's new picture, I thought of Walt Whitman. Not sure if that's who you were thinking of, but that's what came to mind.

g8rmomx2 said...

c.c.: And, As always, I thank you for your compliment! You always get my mind engaged and I so appreciate it.

Crockett1947 said...

@c.c. Yes, I watched the Simpsons episode. Did I remember it? Apparently not!!

Walt Whitman? I don't think I could hold a candle to him.