May 2, 2021

Sunday May 2, 2021 Paul Coulter

Theme: "Success Stories" - Winning phrases are punnily clued, fitting the location in each clue.

 23A. Triumph in the schoolroom?: CHALK UP A VICTORY.

 38A. Triumph at a hockey arena?: SAVE THE DAY.

 60A. Triumph in a bakery?: TAKE THE CAKE.

 84A. Triumph on drums?: BEAT THE ODDS

 102A. Triumph at the mountain summit?: END UP ON TOP.

 122A. Triumph at a comedy club?: GET THE LAST LAUGH.

 16D Triumph at a salon?: MAKE THE CUT.

 76D. Triumph at the winery?: WIN BY A NOSE.

I wonder why 84A was not clued with a place name. The clues would have been very consistent then.

Only 73 black squares in this grid. If you've been solving Paul's puzzles, you know that this is a big step for him.


1. Nutty green sauce: PESTO. Pine nuts.

6. Balance scale pair: PANS. My mom's older brother was a doctor in traditional Chinese medicines. His scale was like this.

10. Blockheads: OAFS.

14. Brazilian music genre: SAMBA.

19. Church part: ALTAR.

20. Create a diversion for, maybe: ABET. And 21. Connive: PLOT.

22. Egg producer: OVARY.

26. Black tea variety: PEKOE. Favorite of Abejo. We also have 28. Herbal tea: TISANE.

27. Flier in the wind: KITE.

29. Spill the beans: TELL.

31. British stables: MEWS. New to me. Wiki says "Mews is a British name for a row or courtyard of stables and carriage houses with living quarters above them, built behind large city houses before motor vehicles replaced horses in the early twentieth century. Mews are usually located in desirable residential areas having been built to cater for the horses, coachmen and stable-servants of prosperous residents."

32. She, in Siena: ESSA.

34. Noses out: EDGES.

36. Crusty ocean growth: SEA MAT. Also new to me.

41. Dr.'s order?: AMA. I always associate "order" with monks or nuns.

43. Hit a few pubs: BARHOP.

46. "Aladdin" prince: ALI.

47. Commercial suffix with wheat: ENA. Does this refer to "Wheatena"?

48. Figureheads may be seen on them: PROWS. Ship "figurehead".

50. Legal encumbrances: LIENS.

51. Edison rival: TESLA.

53. Like some relations: SPATIAL.

57. Order including whales and dolphins: CETACEA. The adjective is CETACEAN.

59. Words to live by: AXIOM.

62. Final: Abbr.: ULT.

63. Alliance acronym: NATO.

64. Catalog: LIST.

65. GPS suggestions: RTES.

66. "American Dad!" channel: TBS.

67. Digression: TANGENT.

71. Got it right, luckily: GUESSED.

74. Rural turndown: NAW.

77. Drummer Ulrich: LARS. Metallica drummer.

78. Take a chance: DARE.

79. Some from France: UNES.

83. Prefix for the birds: AVI.

88. Corrupt: TAINT.

89. Words that can be generous yet uncompromising: I INSIST. If you insist.

91. One making a big withdrawal?: RECLUSE. Nice clue.

92. "Ragged Dick" author: ALGER (Horatio)

93. Truman veep Barkley: ALBEN. Did not know him either.

94. Budget, in brand names: ECONO.

96. Youngest woman to serve in the U.S. Congress, familiarly: AOC.

98. Eur. realm until 1806: HRE.

99. Orville Wright's birth city: DAYTON.

101. Author Beattie: ANN.

106. Catalog: ASSORT.

108. Black cattle breed: ANGUS.

110. "Hang on __ ... ": A SEC.

111. It follows copper on the periodic table: ZINC.

113. Astronaut's insignia: NASA.

115. Sagittarius, e.g.: ARCHER.

117. Romances: WOOS. And 120. Love, in Rome: AMORE.

125. Asked: POSED.

126. Brontรซ heroine: EYRE.

127. Rockefeller Center muralist: SERT. Jose Maria Sert.

128. Be on the same page: AGREE.

129. Unfairly presents: SKEWS.

130. Campus bigwig: DEAN.

131. Doesn't guzzle: SIPS. I love young coconuts. They're too hard to open.

132. Parcels (out): METES.


1. Prepare for a trip: PACK.

2. K-12, in education: EL HI. Elementary and High school.

3. Occasion for pomp at a national capital: STATE VISIT.

4. "Honor Thy Father" author: TALESE.

5. Mork's planet: ORK.

6. Red Sox star Big __: PAPI. Used to be with the Twins.

7. Degraded: ABASED.

8. Locally, its first "a" is pronounced as in "trap": NEVADA. How do you pronounce "Nevada" then?

9. Scroogean: STINGY.

10. Decide to leave, with "out": OPT.

11. Almost all the time: A LOT.

12. Anticipated: FORESAW.

13. Class: STYLE.

14. Absorb, with "up": SOP.

15. Prayer set to music by Schubert and Gounod: AVE MARIA.

17. Sweat spot: BROW.

18. Roll call calls: AYES.

24. Many a Mormon: UTAHN. What the local prefers. Not Utahan.

25. Average mark: CEE.

30. Chocolate __: LAB.

33. Cook, as clams: STEAM. Chinese use steamers for everything. Our daily mantou (Chinese bread) are steamed. Not baked.

35. Connor of "Terminator" films: SARAH.

37. White lap dog: MALTESE.

38. "Paradise Lost" figure: SATAN.

39. Singer/songwriter __ Ray Joel: ALEXA.

40. How Phileas Fogg traveled: EAST.

42. Infiltrator: MOLE.

44. Deli counter qty.: ONE LB.

45. HS exams: PSATS.

48. "Moneyball" co-star: PITT (Brad)

49. Beats it: SCATS.

52. Haul from a job: LOOT.

54. Least healthy-looking: PALEST.

55. Analogous: AKIN.

56. Road __: TEST.

58. Barely gets, with "out": EKES.

61. Doctrines to live by: CREEDS.

68. Some rats: ALBINOS.

69. Scot's nots: NAES.

70. Fireplace piece: GRATE.

71. London lockup: GAOL. Jail.

72. Language of Lahore: URDU.

73. Word with control or purpose: DUAL.

74. River nymph: NAIAD.

75. Hometown of St. Teresa: AVILA.

78. Like New York's Chrysler Building: DECO.

80. '80s-'90s Harry Anderson sitcom: NIGHT COURT.

81. Aรฑo starter: ENERO.

82. Throat condition: STREP.

85. 2010 sci-fi sequel subtitled "Legacy": TRON.

86. Salon coloring: HENNA.

87. 12-time NFL Pro Bowler Junior: SEAU.

88. Tuesday dish?: TACOS. Taco Tuesday.

90. Tightening device: SET SCREW.

95. Colorful marble: CAT'S EYE.

97. Eyeball-bending display: OP-ART.

100. Nice turndown?: NON. The city Nice, France.

102. Barnum "attraction": EGRESS.

103. Cores: NUCLEI.

104. E-flat equivalent: D SHARP.

105. Meditative music genre: NEW AGE.

107. Continued violently, as a storm: RAGED.

109. "Bad idea": NAH.

111. Nukes: ZAPS.

112. "Don't worry about me": I'M OK.

114. Trac II cousin: ATRA.

116. Ballpark figs.: ESTS.

118. S-shaped molding: OGEE.

119. "__ Gotta Have It": Spike Lee film: SHE'S.

121. Masthead contents, briefly: EDS (Editors)

123. Gymnast's goal: TEN.

124. Speedy escape: LAM.




OwenKL said...

To turn Caesar into just a blot.
When asked how he knew
He said chances SKEW
But his GUESSES get lucky -- A LOT!

Much can be seen with a CAT'S EYE.
What she likes, she MEWS to say AYE.
But what gets a NAW,
Or a NAE, or a NAH,
Will only evoke a cat sigh!

{B, A-.}

Paul Coulter said...

Thanks, C.C. Yeah, the clue for BEATTHEODDS does break the pattern. I actually had these clued as "Triumph as a teacher," "Triumph as a drummer," etc.

Owen, I got a real chuckle from your second verse. Outstanding.

Tomorrow is my birthday. I'll be 66. Of course, I still feel like I'm 33. We're having a small family gathering next weekend. It'll be the first time in over a year that I'll see my sister, so I'm looking forward to it a lot.

desper-otto said...

Good morning!

We're beginning day number three with no internet. I'm back on the hotspot. I'm rationing data on my smartphone -- it's a very limited plan. But I'm still resting assured that Soddenlink is working tirelessly on my behalf. R-i-g-h-t...

Thought of STATE DINNER, but it was too long. VISIT fit. LARS popped into my head from somewhere -- don't think I've ever heard Metallica, and have no plan to. NAIAD and AVILA came to me immediately, but then I wondered what word would begin II at 89a. Oh, two words. The only nose wrinkler today was SEA MAT or is it SEAMAT? Wondered how OGRESS would be a Barnum attraction, then remembered, "This way to the EGRESS." Thanx, C.C. and P.C. (Happy birthday, young man. Hope you enjoy the day.)

Malodorous Manatee said...

I, too, was scratching my head at 102 Down. Thanks D.O. for your comment, above.

Following up on that:

This Way To The Egress Explained

TTP said...

Good morning. Been tied up with other things. Thank you, Paul, and thank you, C.C.

Last two letters entered turned out to be wrong. Had oNe UP ON TOP instead on END UP. The down answers were then oGRESS (madde sense to me) and eSHARP (no idea, but seemed ok).

D-O, SEA MAT: Merriam Webster clarifies it with "an encrusting bryozoan (as of the genus Flustra)". New to me.

Wilbur Charles, from the other day: Pete Alonso would fit with 11 letters for "Met someone", but the answer was OPERA SINGER. Like you, I was looking for the name of some specific person.

Back to the tasks at hand.

Husker Gary said...

-Double learning at EGRE_S/_ERT. Barnum liked the fancy word for exit and SERT was commissioned to paint over Diego Rivera’s original mural when Rivera refused to omit the image of Lenin in his mural
-12- 1 longshot Medina Spirit did all of these and won by more than a nose in yesterday’s Kentucky Derby. If you FORESAW that, you could have made a tidy profit!
-The superintendent chose me, a lowly sub, to accompany her son to the ALTAR tonight for his confirmation
-TISANE is Poirot’s beverage of choice
-Some call TESLA a genius and some say he was a madman. He ended life as a RECLUSE
-LARS – Phyllis Lindstrom’s never seen sitcom husband is probably too obscure
-NASA – the one tattoo I might consider
-NAE – What a Scot might say in answer to “An do chruthaich am Beurla goilf? “(Did the British invent golf?)
-Many plumbing Jobs require tightening this SET SCREW
-Happy Birthday, Paul!

Spitzboov said...

Good morning everyone.

Happy Birthday tomorrow to Paul.

On the easy side but still managed to mess up LIST. Got all the theme fill, though. Remembered ALBEN Barkley.
NAIAD - Strange vowel sequence. Reminds me of 'naaien', Dutch 'to sew'. They're not AKIN, though.

Have a great day.

Irish Miss said...

Good Morning:

This was a cute theme and because it was obvious early on, the solve was easier. I think I finished in normal Sunday time, even with some stumbling blocks that needed perps: Seamat, Lars, Alger, and Tisane. Not bad for a Sunday which usually means Proper name Profusion. My Salsa became Samba and my Ina became Ena. I could have sworn the cereal was Wheatina. I also didn’t understand the clue for Pans until seeing the picture and CC’s explanation. I don’t think I’ve ever solved a puzzle that contained 4 different expressions with the same meaning: Naw, Naes, Nah, and Non. Big CSO to HG at NASA.

Thanks, Paul, for a fun romp and Happy Birthday in advance. ๐ŸŽ‚๐ŸŽ‰๐ŸŽŠ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽˆEnjoy your family gathering next weekend. Thanks, CC, for your commentary and insider comments. I never noticed the outlier in the pattern until you pointed it out and, as I said, Pans as an answer was a mystery until your expo.

The Maltese entry reminded me of my former neighbor’s Maltese, Soleil, a small bundle of white fur and mischief. I used to take care of him a lot and he would spend every possible moment curled up on my lap being petted and pampered. He was such a cutie and gave me great joy.

A great niece is expecting a girl in June and her mother decided to have a small gathering of just the aunts and the grandmothers and great-grandmother (My sister Peggy.) Because of the unusually small group, (for our large family) they dubbed it a Baby Sprinkle. ๐Ÿ˜Š

Have a great day.

waseeley said...

Nice puzzle Paul. Had to dance around it a bit, but when the music stopped I ENDED UP ON TOP. And thank you CC for a most informative review.

14A Had to wait for the B in BROW before declaring it SAMBA.

19A Had a meal from an ALTAR just a few hours ago.

20A I made A BET that I could BEAT THE ODDS at 84A.

27A Those who KITE checks are often fliers or SCATers.

31A MEWS is used around these parts to name tony condo developments. Catering to the horsey set maybe?

57A Hence the constellation CETUS, "The Whale".

8D In the East we pronounce it Nevada with a long ฤ€, as in PAPA.

15D Gounod's AVE MARIA ("Hail Mary") is based on a melody from BACH's Well Tempered Clavier. Schubert's used an original tune.

39D Alexa is CHRISTIE BRINKLEY and BILLY JOEL's daughter.

68D All laboratory rats originated from wild Norway rats, Rattus norvegicus. The WISTAR institute in Philadelphia is the worlds largest breeder. The maintenance of their genetic pedigrees ("lines") is very important in research.

88D is it just the alliteration, or is there some tighter connection between TACOS and TUESDAY?

My copy of the puzzle omitted the clue for 90D SET SCREW. I was going to suggest "it holds the wheel on a tiller".


waseeley said...

Irish Miss @10:19AM BABY SPRINKLE - LOL!!!

Picard said...

Paul Coulter Thank you for an inventive creation and thank you for stopping by. I enjoy this kind of theme that involves creative thinking rather than obscure knowledge.

We have seen EGRESS and the back story before, but it has been awhile. TISANE unknown except from these puzzles. Surprised I never heard of TRUMAN'S Vice President ALBEN BARKLEY. Apparently when FDR died and TRUMAN became president, there was no VEEP for almost four years! Learning moment!

I was a huge fan of TESLA as a teen in the 1970s and built a number of his inventions. He was relatively unknown then. I did a research project on his Thermomagnetic Motor for the Westinghouse Talent Search. I think that got me into MIT because my grades were not the best. And, of course, I built a TESLA Coil from salvaged TV parts and surplus electronics.

Here is my video of Burning Man showman Dr Megavolt demonstrating his TESLA Coil.

This was at the opening of the Santa Barbara Center for Art, Science and Technology. A live/work/incubator space for creativity.

PK said...

Hi Y'all! Happy Birthday, Paul, & thanks for a challenging puzzle. Thanks, C.C., for an interesting expo. I always enjoy hearing things about your life in China.

This took me forever at midnight, I thought -- 65 minutes. The theme was fun & most theme entries flowed in and furthered the fill well, but lots of unknowns for me & just plain stupid mistakes. I thought I was hitting a "D" for NAIAD but it kept turning up red and I couldn't see it well enough to learn I was hitting some other letter. Probably "E".

Last to fill was NE. Couldn't MAKE THE CUT! Literally. I had "C" in Cetacea but couldn't get CUT/ULT/TBS/LB. The funny thing was I had just CUT my annoying bangs a few hours before. I GUESS the salon part threw me. (I haven't had a salon cut since May 2018. I'm a RECLUSE now.)

I finally did END UP ON TOP of it all altho I think Paul probably GOT THE LAST LAUGH at me.

As a wheat farmer, I have never heard of WheatENA. ESP

Used to sing the Bach-Gounod AVE MARIA.

PK said...

Bill Seeley: Restaurants around here have been advertising "TACO TUesdays" specials for a few years now. Took me a while to catch on to that reference for the puzzle.

Lucina said...


Thank you, Paul Coulter for a triumphant puzzle and happy birthday tomorrow! In your neck of the woods it's probably almost tomorrow.

And thank you, C.C.!

Hand up for ONE UP ON TOP which looked right to me. OGRESS?

Otherwise, I sashayed fairly fast for a Sunday and did not follow a single TANGENT but stayed the course. I GUESSED A LOT.

Did a double take on I INSIST.

Yesterday I happened to read something about Harry S. Truman and so ALBEN Barkley was fresh in my mind.

MEWS are often cited in British novels.

To me, it's Ne-vah-dah, meaning snow covered.

Enjoy the rest of the day, everyone!

Picard said...

I only knew AVE MARIA from the Tom Lehrer song "Vatican Rag". Anyone else?

AVE MARIA is featured near the end of this Tom Lehrer song Vatican Rag. DO NOT LISTEN if you are offended by religious satire!

From Yesterday:
Malodorous Manatee I don't own a phone so I am always baffled by the mistakes introduced by Autocorrect. In this case "endive vendor". Apparently, endive was not even a mistaken twisting of another word but an insertion of a spurious word never spoken? Why not just turn off Autocorrect?

Alice, WA SEELEY, PK Thank you for the kind words about my BOTANICAL GARDEN photos!

WA SEELEY I am not good at identifying plants, so I can't vouch for the yarrow identification. Yes, I have been to Longwood Gardens and to the Mushroom Caves when I was growing up back East.

Lucina Good to know you also had SEEDY before NEEDY!

PK Interesting story about not getting to taste BISON because your freezer was full of your own Beef!

Regarding BISON vs Beef does anyone remember Beefalo? It was supposed to be the best of both?

Picard said...

Hand up never heard of WHEATENA.

Did anyone else try ROAD TRIP before ROAD TEST?

NaomiZ said...

Thanks, Paul, for the puzzle today! It was a big success. I agree with Picard: "I enjoy this kind of theme that involves creative thinking rather than obscure knowledge." The few DNKs were perped.

Here in Los Angeles, we pronounce Nevada like the Spanish word it is: nehVAHdah. Very grating to go there and hear the local pronunciation!

Thanks, C.C.!

NaomiZ said...

I try to read all comments before commenting myself, but a few trickle in while I am composing on my phone. I see that Lucina beat me to the Spanish pronunciation of NEVADA, and I'm wiping my BROW in relief to see that we agree.

PK said...

Picard: As for beefalo, I always wondered how the breeders convinced the daintier moo-cow to let one of those huge buffalo bulls near her. Seemed abusive to me. LOL!

PK said...

Picard: As for not tasting buffalo meat. Those were the cash-poor days as a farm wife when I didn't buy meat since we had our own meat. My main job in those years was stretching the farm income as far as I could while raising my kids. I also CUT everyone's hair & sewed our clothes except for jeans/T-shirts & raised alot of our vegetables and fruit. Kept us in a lower tax bracket too.

unclefred said...

My CW lists Rich Norris and Joyce Nichols Lewis as the constructors. A shame to not get credit for such a terrific, inventive CW, Paul!! PK mentioned taking 65 minutes to complete. That makes me feel better about my 61 minute slog to a FIR completion. A real slog that I almost gave up on several times. I see twelve cells with WOs; not gonna list ‘em all. But eventually got ‘er done. I usually don’t even try Sundays because I have too many DNFs. Did not understand EGRESS until explained here. Anyway, thanx again, Paul! And thanx C.C. too for the terrific write-up.

Yellowrocks said...

I was too distracted this AM to meet with much success. I just picked around and eked out about half of it. This afternoon I was more "with it" and filled the rest of it correctly in little time.
Paul I liked your original clues better. To be consistent Rich could have clued 84 as triumph in the percussion section.
Happy birthday, Paul. Enjoy your family reunion.
Although SEA MAT was new to me, it seems reasonable and fair with good perps.
Bill @ 10:45, those are the mews we think of around here, no connection to stables.
Crossword puzzles are the only places I meet ELHI, even with a lifetime in education. I was so happy to see K-12 in the clue.
In the books I read about early Americana, tisanes are used for medicines.
I had EGRESS, but wondered about it. Thanks for the info.

Paul C. said...

Thanks everyone for the birthday wishes. Tomorrow, I'll be having birthday dinner with my son's family. After we finish building a backyard play set for the girls we started yesterday.

ATLGranny said...

Well, my winning streak ended today when I chose EGRETS instead of EGRESS. It was a true natick for me since I didn't know SERT, the artist. I had gone back and forth over S or T, finally guessing wrong, picturing a cage full of egrets on the midway along with tigers, etc. I pat myself on the back for figuring out all the other tricky spots and seeing the theme. So it was overall a challenging, but enjoyable puzzle. Thanks Paul. And thanks to you C.C. for showing us the way.

So, tomorrow is another puzzle day to begin another winning streak. Hope you all are having a special Sunday! And Happy Birthday, Paul.

Misty said...

Many thanks for this neat Sunday puzzle, Paul--and thank you for checking in with us. Have a lovely birthday party with family tomorrow! And your commentaries and pictures are always a pleasure, C.C.--thank you for those too.

Enjoyed seeing Jane EYRE today, and TESLA is turning up a lot in puzzles lately, isn't he? And how lovely to get AVE MARIA. But I was stumped by CETACEA, which was totally new to me, and also couldn't believe British stables turned out to be MEWS. But we learn new things from puzzles, that's part of the fun. Looked up Phileas Fogg's travels and gather he started out on the Orient Express. That sure wouldn't have fit into the space for EAST.

Have a great day, everybody.

Lucina said...

AVE MARIA has been used in so many musical styles and I want to choose one for my future funeral. The problem is which one? Luckily most of them are available on you tube so I'll have to decide. One of my friends already has her entire funeral planned including music. She is my age and in excellent health but believes in planning ahead!

In DAYTON, OH, the Wright Brothers are widely acknowledged with many commemorative monuments throughout the city.

Alice said...

I had many of the problems already mentioned. EGREtS before EGRESS, for which I needed HG and D-O’s explanations. I did think the same as ALT Granny’s thought regarding egrets for a while. Also, I didn’t know ALBEN (Barkley’s first name). 87-D was a total unknown, and tried SEAn before END UP ON TOP changed the n to U. But the theme was so much fun that I still enjoyed the puzzle thoroughly.

Happy Birthday to our talented constructor. Thank you, CC. I needed your help to clean up my entries.

Husker Gary said...

-For my funeral I want no organ dirges.
-I definitely want this song playing when people leave. My urn will have the NASA meatball on it.
-Another wonderful Dayton, Ohio native is our friend and constructor Mary Lou Guizzo!
-The prevailing west to east winds would help Phileas with the hot air balloon.

Jayce said...

Rabbit rabbit plus 1!
I enjoyed the theme and several of the clever clues and interesting fill. Couldn't figure out what word would start with II so I thought either NAIAD or AVILA must be wrong. Then I saw the clue said "Words" and all soon became clear.
The T crossing SERT and ESTS was a Natick for me.
Interesting that copper and ZINC make the two electrodes of a battery when submerged in salt water.
I like both versions of AVE MARIA but I like Schubert's better. He wrote some beautiful melodies.
Good wishes to you all.

Wilbur Charles said...

I thought of NAIAD(NAyAD) but the IIN?IST threw me. FIW after a long slog. My peach tree is fill of them so I brought one to the diner. Hope the waitress liked it.

That's where I solved then I finished in the car. Except for a few blanks.

How do you pronounce "Nevada" then? I'm from Boston so Nev-ahda. Hi WA and others

If there's NAE wind there's NAE Golf*

Thanks MaloMan. I WAG'ed EGRESS but had no clue.

Re. KIT(E)ing checks. We have Amscot with paycheck loans. Expensive but less than bank fees for overdrafts.

I always picture Fogg in a balloon (as did Gary)


**Or If there's NAE gambling…
**Or If there's NAE 'Scuses…
**Or If there's NAE bragg'n...

TXMs said...

FIW - don't remember the Barnum "attraction" discussion others have mentioned. ONE UP ON TOP did sound kinda clunky and ONE isn't a verb, but Barnum was known for his outlandish exhibits so maybe he had a woman made up as an ogress. Oh, well - I thoroughly enjoyed your creation, Paul!

In Texas, we pronounce NEVADA as Lucina and others have said; also, COLORADO with the Spanish pronunciation. I worked with a young woman originally from Denver who always corrected me - "It's Colorado!!" (with the "a" pronounced as in trap). I've noticed a lot of national news reporters pronouncing it as the locals do - drives me crazy. Perhaps due to the age thing and also being corrected years ago. A "burning" question - why do locals in those states insist on those pronunciations?

TXMs said...

84 across clue - "Triumph at the Kentucky Derby"? Would've been a fitting clue considering Paul's CW ran today (although I've learned the constructor has no idea when his CW will appear).

TXMs said...

H-G @ 5:20, Love it! Sure to bring smiles and fond memories to everyone as they leave the church. Your song selection's upbeat vibe reminded me - is Father Korth (the motorcycle-riding priest) still in Omaha? I emailed to several family members your video clip of him and his choir rockin' on out to "Oh, Happy Days!" They loved it and wished Father Korth was in their parishes.

Spitzboov said...

TXMS re: locals - - We have a town in Northern NY; Madrid. The accent is on the first syllable.
There is a Chili near Rochester. Both syllables pronounced with a long i.
There is a Riga near Rochester; long i, too.
A Corinth near Saratoga. Accent on 2nd syllable. And so it goes.

waseeley said...

Jayce @6:30PM I like Schubert's music too. He songs are the best.

Ray - O - Sunshine said...


Just happened to see yourcommemt...dont forget Nunda NY (nun-DAY), near Castile (CAST-tile) by Letchworth park...My paternal grandfather came from Italy, age 3 amd his family settled in Coxsackie NY (cook-SOCK-ie).the virus that was discovered there that causes a severe form of pleurisy is mispronounced by the medical community as "COCK-sackie"

Spitzboov said...

Ray -O - - Familiar with them, too. And then there's Greenwich, "green - witch" vs 'Gre-nitch' for the one in Conn.

Lucina said...

Well, if we are talking about pronunciations I would like to tell you my pet peeve regarding Spanish words that end in -ez. Broadcasters and others insist on wrongly placing the accent on the last syllable. Names like Perez and Martinez. Ugh! It's PE-rez, not Pe-REZ and Mar-TI-nez, not MAR-tinez. Also, MAR-quez, not Mar-QUEZ. LO-pez so far is correctly pronounced. I'm sure there are more but those are the most common. End of rant.

Lucina said...

Oh, I forgot Sandoval. I often hear Sand-O-val. It's SAN-doval

Michael said...

Two more New Yorkisms: Carmel in California is 'Car-MEL', but not in New York, where it is 'CAR-muhl'.

Mahopack was pronounced by me as a logical Californian as 'Ma-HO-pack. but, no, in NY is's 'MAY-ho-pack'

Cross@words said...

So do you say los (long o) AN-hell- ess? TAY-hoss?