Sep 25, 2008

Thursday September 25, 2008 Alan P. Olschwang

Theme: Catch Me if You Can

20A: Start of a quip: HE WHO COURTS THEN

40A: Part 2 of a quip: RUNS AWAY, LIVES TO

54A: End of quip: COURT ANOTHER DAY

The original quote from Evan Esar is "He who courts and runs away, lives to court another day".

As usual, I don't fully grasp this quip. Why would he "LIVES TO COURT ANOTHER DAY" if he "RUNS AWAY"? What if "He is Just Not That into You" in the first place?

Very interesting to see RELAID (36A: Installed again, as tiles) so early in the morning. I hope the tiles are installed properly this time. I would change the clue for ANCHOR (4D: Relay finisher" into "Brian Williams, e.g." I often check his "Nightly News" just to see what tie he is wearing that night. I would also change the VEIN (13D: Layer of ore) into "The way to Brian Williams' heart?"

Wish the clue for SILLS (30D: Window bases) were "Soprano Beverly" to pair up with OPERA (21D: Massenet work), and I would reword the clue for OUIS (55D: Arles assents) into "Arles Législature votes" to match YEAS (71A: Affirmative votes). I also think there should be an abbreviation mark for VETTE (42D: Sporty Chevy).

Easy sailing this morning. Had to google EST (47D: Erhard's program) though. I was stumped by ESS (51A: 19th of a certain series).


1A: Madame Bovary: EMMA. The only Flaubert novel I've read. Poor little thing, she should have known that the sea of adultery is very stormy and unpredictable.

10A: Prison knife: SHIV. Slang for switchblade. I forgot. Did watch "In Cold Blood" and vaguely remembered the character made such a weapon out of a toilet brush.

18A: Skylit courtyards: ATRIA. I often confuse ATRIA with ALTRIA (Philip Morris). Kraft has a very formidble presence in China.

19A: Wrinkled citrus fruit: UGLI. I've never had this "Exotic tangelo from Jamaica".

44A: Change with time: EVOLVE

49A: Scottish feudal lord: THANE. New to me. Shakespeare's Macbeth's is THANE of Cawdor & THANE of Glamititle.

64A: Kind of trail: VAPOR. What caused this VAPOR trail?

67A: Immature seed: OVULE


7D: Ashram member: GURU. ASHRAM was clued as "GURU's community" last time.

9D: Rhubarbs: SPATS. I did not know the slang meaning of "Rhubarb". That's a huge RHUBARB.

10D: Golden table wine: SAUTERNE. Clear Ayes probably knows a lot about this semisweet white wine.

25D: Add to the heap?: SCRAP. What's the origins of "Deep-six" and "Eighty-six"? Faintly remember someone explained them to me before. But I crossed the River Lethe.

28D: One possessed?: SLAVE. Nice clue. Here is Britney's "I am a SLAVE 4 U".

32D: ___ del Sol: COSTA. Got it from the across clues. Would have been a gimme were it clued as COSTA Rica.

33D: Sean of "The Lord of the Rings". Learned his name from doing Xword.

37D: Cote resident: EWE. I always thought cote is for bird.

38D: Fourth of MMXVI: DIV. Roman 504.

41D: Cheap ocean passage: STEERAGE. Jack won his STEERAGE passage in a poker game in "Titanic".

54D: Edible first prize: CAKE. Razzberry, do you like this flourless chocolate CAKE?

56D: Samovars: URNS

58D: Artistic work: OPUS. OK, Kittyb, this Paderewski piece is for you.

59D: Lacquered metalware: TOLE. Nice flower tray.

62D: Poisonous evergreens: YEWS. I suppose YEW wood is not poisonous, otherwise, how could archery bows be made of YEWS?



Dennis said...

Good morning, c.c and gang - well, no hammer yet. Gotta be coming soon.

No problems with this one since it was loaded with crosswordese and a very simple 'quip'; the only one I needed perp help with was Sean Astin. Also, I think 'Vette' needs 'abbr' in the clue since it obviously is shortened. And relaid is always good.

Welcome, nightowl, good of you to join us; it's a great group.

Hope it's an outstanding day for everyone; got a nor'easter on the way here.

Anonymous said...

I needed help from google with EST, TOLE and OVULE. I got THANE, NAVE and YEWS from the perps. Isn't "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day" the original quip? Nobody died from courting. I misspelled STEERAGE and got ASS instead of ESS. I get it now: it's the 19th letter of the alphabet! Is SHO short for Showtime?


Dr. Dad said...

Good morning!!!
Not a bad puzzle today. "He who solves and blogs away, lives to solve another day."
Yeah, Dennis - time to batten down the hatches.
Sean Astin - Samwise Gamgee, faithful to Frodo Baggins (Elijah Wood), the Ringbearer.
The quip reminds me of a saying - "Find 'em, feel 'em, ---" DF's can fill in the rest, maybe.
There is an abbreviation in the clue for 'vette.' Chevy is an abbreviation for Chevrolet.
Rhubarb is one of only two perennial vegetables. What's the other one? Answer will be posted later if no one gets it.
The cake looks good. I've also had a chocolate cake made with tofu (daughter is vegan).

Today is National Comic Bood Day. It is also National One-Hit Wonder Day (celebrating the musical artists who have had one, and only one, top 40 hit record).

Barbara Walters' Birthday
Born in Boston in 1931.

Christopher Reeve's Birthday
Born in 1952.

Mary Poppins Debuted
In 1964.

Will Smith's Birthday
The 'Fresh Prince' was born in 1965.

Have a great Thursday.

Dr. Dad said...

Martin - what do you do to keep double posting? I've noticed you have done it more frequently in the past couple of blogs.

Chris in LA said...

@ Drdad - aspargus?

Katherine said...

Good morning everyone.
I liked the puzzle today. Had some problems with it, but did pretty good.
The flour-less chocolate cake looks good CC.
Have you read the book He's Just Not That In To You CC?
I have to get ready for work.
Have a good day everyone......

Dr. Dad said...

Chris in LA - correct. Asparagus is the other perennial vegetable.

Barry G. said...

Morning, folks!

For some reason, this one proved to be a bit of a slog for me. I was able to finish it unassisted, but it took a lot longer than usual. I'm not sure why, though. Maybe I was just on a different wavelength than the creator.

The only word I flat out didn't know was SAUTERNE. I've never heard of COSTA del Sol, but my knowledge of Spanish let me guess it after a few letters. And I eventually remembered that "rhubarb" is sometimes a slang term for an argument, dust up or SPAT (although I've never actually heard anybody use it in that sense).

I was fine with VETTE being clued the way it was, since Chevy is an abbreviation of Chevrolet (as I see drdad has already mentioned).

As for nobody ever dying from courting, just remember that courting often leads to marriage... ^_^

Bill said...

DrDad; Yes CHEVY is already an abbreviation!
Some unknowns;
51a No idea. Same w/ 47d.
Didn't know 32d or 33d but the adjacent clues filled them.
Oh, DrDad......Your DFness is really showing now!! Find 'em?????
Remember that well.
Also, from yesterday; Yes,
Candy is dandy,
Liquor is quicker,

Sex won't rot your teeth

Bill said...

Just figured out 51a. Alphabet - nineteenth letter. D'oh!!!

Dick said...

Good Morning Cc, DFs and DFettes. The top half of this puzzle was so easy and I sailed thru at a furious pace all the while patting myself on the back for having three great days in a row. Then reality hit when I got to the bottom half. Here I struggled and had to walk away several times before I could complete the CW.

I misread 38A as Installed again as TITLES and not tiles. This caused a lot of delays in solving. Also, I did not know who Erhard was but that finally filled from the perps.

Another nice day here in the Burg so it will be off to the golf course soon. Hope all of you have a great day.

flyingears said...

"All the gold which is under or upon the earth is not enough to give in exchange for virtue."

Had some misgivings with this quip... C.C., I didn't understand it either...

KittyB said...

(laughing at Bill...)

Good Morning, C.C. and DFs.

This crossword was fairly easy. I didn't need to visit Mr. G. Those I didn't know came from the perps.

I didn't know OVULE, and wanted 'Laird' for THANE, but eventually got it.

To me the theme makes the courter seem like a bee, flitting from flower to flower.

C.C., the link to Paderewski didn't work for me, but I found another, and listened as I read the comments. Thanks for thinking of me, and providing a pleasant morning background.

Busy day today. I hope you all have a great day!

KittyB said...

Let me correct that...

I was laughing at Bill's comment: "Sex won't rot your teeth."

We've gotten off to an early start with RELAID, courting, sex and The Fresh Prince: Will Smith.

Ken said...

Good morning, C.C. and clan. It took a bit, but got everything this morning. I think that is one in a row; I'm on a roll. 47D/51A was the last to fill. I'd heard of Erhard, but couldn't recall his philosophy abbreviation. ESS finally occurred to me.
Kittyb, I wanted laird for thane also, but Macbeth came to mind in time to bail me out.
I read 23A as Unseat rather than unseal and that had me going for a bit.
My son and I are directing a tournament for 500 cribbage (card game) players this weekend. Wish me luck

Pete said...

Good Morning all and hello CC, I'm a bit of a lurker, but all these great comments have made my cup runneth over.

Good puzzle today, I'm still stuck on 28A and D.

DrDad, The 4F's is a "great" song, sure to live on in the anals of history forever.

I cookout at lunchtime every Thursday, here's hoping the weather gets pushed to the right an hour or two.

Keep those lively comments coming feverishly, it brightens my day tremendously.

Dr. Dad said...

Welcome, Pete and here's hoping you stick around.

Dennis said...

Welcome, Pete - 28a is 'Srs', short for Seniors (yearbook abbreviation), and 28d is 'slaves'.

Anonymous said...

I've always heard that "rhubarb" is used to mean a fight or quarrel because of the movies. In the early days of talkies, extras in a mob scene were told to make disgruntled sounds. It sounded way too fake. The director hit upon the idea of having the extras murmer "rhubarb" repeatedly, and it worked! Great folklore, even if it IS true!

kazie said...

I tried it online this morning, and got stuck in the center of the grid. Somehow it just felt unfamiliar and I was rushed too much watching the timer. I'll have to stick with the paper at least for a while.
I'd never heard of Erhard's est but found this on him.

Anonymous said...

Just wanted to let you know how much I enjoy your site. Thanks!

Dick said...

Welcome Pete and Tracy. Stick around and enjoy the site that CC has created for our learning and pleasure.

g8rmomx2 said...

Hi c.c. and others,

Fairly easy puzzle today! Did not know Sean Astin, but got it from the perps.

Welcome Pete and Tracy and any other newcomers!

Have a great day to all!

Crockett1947 said...

Good morning everyone! Welcome, nightowl. You really are one, posting at O Dark Thirty EDT!

Did I ever mention I dislike quip days? No? Well, I don't like quip days! GRRRRRRRRRR.

Did not know 47D and 33D. Too many changes in the grid for me today. I had to change four entries, and for me that is a A LOT. The 47D/51A crossing was the last to fall for me, and I had to G-spot it for confirmation. The Paderewski video is no longer available.

Oh, drdad, you've started the DFness early today.

Welcome to all the other newcomers and "Hello" to the lurkers out there. You know who you are! Come on in, the water's fine. Have a great day.

Dr.G said...



Dr.G said...

I give up. What does DF stand for?

Anonymous said...

Oh, THAT Erhard. I kept wanting something to do with NASCAR until it occurred to me Earnhardt isn't even spelled the same. So thanks for the explanation, Kazie.
And the quip is cute because...???
Sean Astin was a gimme, as another LOTR fan. drdad, have you read Tolkein's authorized biography? Provides great insight into the books.
Have a great day everyone.

C.C. Burnikel said...

Why haven't you answered my " Besides CLAM, what are the other symbols of happiness to you" question? Too much a MOREL dilemma? Do you need MOREL support from Dr. Dad and Dick?

"He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day". Who said it? Yes, you are right about SHO.

Dr. Dad,
You know I am no good at quip, so what follows your saying?

No. I bet you have, haven't you?

DoesItinInk said...

I found this puzzle to be a little challenging but nothing that I could not untangle without Google. Initially I tried "laird" for 49A before remembering THANE, and I wanted 64A to be “paper trail” instead of VAPOR trail. EST was a guess, and I am still uncertain as to who or what “Erhard” is. I kept confusing “Erhard” with Dale “Earnhardt” and wanted to fill in “stp”, a fuel additive. Crossing words finally cleared it all up.

cc: Someone wrote yesterday I believe that only 100 posts per day are allowed. Is that why deleted comments are a problem?

Kazie: Thank you for clearing up who Erhard is. Now looking at the link you provided…well, of course, I have heard of EST but did not know that the “E” stood for Erhard.

C.C. Burnikel said...

You meant no more courting after marriage?

I am sorry the link did not work for you. It's Paderewski's interpretation of Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2.

Pete & Tracy,

Night Owl, Kit, & JVJ24601,
This blog would be lonely in the evening time without you "Quiet raptors".

Jim in Norfolk,
Great rhubarb folklore. I like it.

Anonymous said...

Clear Ayes; I hope you have copied you're directions on posting a link because I have one I would like to post. I would email but you've not posted yet today for me to get your address.

Clear Ayes said...

Good Morning All, Not much time this morning. It seems I actually have something important to do. The car needs some service, so we will be gone until this afternoon.

The puzzle wasn't difficult. Once the first line of the quip fell into place, the rest of it was a gimme.

The only kind of "Spats" I could think of was what Mr. Peanut wears over his shoes. How old-fashioned is that? After I got RHUBARB from the horizontals, I had another (what else is new) light bulb moment.

I also wanted LAIRD, but the perps soon proved me wrong.

"He's Just Not That Into You" started as an episode of "Sex and the City" and the book came after that.
Isn't the Globe artichoke also a perennial vegetable?

C.C. I'm not a wine expert by any means. I just like to drink it! We don't see many french wines like sauterne around here. One of my favorite dessert wines is Orange Muscat. The photo isn't too clear, but it is from Sobon Estate Winery in Plymouth CA, which is about 50 miles from here.

Here's a nice little poem about wine.

Feast on wine or fast on water,
And your honor shall stand sure
If an angel out of heaven
Brings you something else to drink,
Thank him for his kind attentions,
Go and pour it down the sink.

G.K. Chesterton

C.C. Burnikel said...

Crockett et al,
OBAMA & Crossword.

I've worked out a way to permanently delete the deleted message. You can still comment on the day's crossword after total post reaches 100. Just no more bantering.

Dr. G,
DF stands for "Dysfunctional", a word coined by Dennis to describe his warped way of thinking.

Clear Ayes,
Why "Go and pour it down the sink"?

Auntie Naomi said...

Hi guys. This is my first post here.

I just want to offer my opinion of the meaning behind the quote.

I suspect that the implication is that the courter was compelled to run when the girl's father came after him. Thus by running away, he lived "to court another day."

C.C. Burnikel said...


Sade's songs are deeply sensual and soulfully passionate. To me, it's an intoxicating combination of crème brûlée, strawberries, chocolate, red roses, quiet tears and a broken heart on a cold December evening in Paris.

Lois et al,
Thank you for answering my questions yesterday.

I am not convinced, but thank you for offering your opinion. I like your name.

Dennis said...

c.c., you're such a baiter, lol. Matter of fact, you're so good at it, you're a master.

I know you're expecting a DF answer, but I'll say some of my other symbols of happiness are: the Vernal Equinox (1st day of Spring), the cork 'pop' of a good bottle of wine, and the supercharger howl of a convertible going Mach III.

Oh, and a female voice calling for God...

Sorry, that slipped.

Jeannie said...

You couldn't help yourself could you Dennis? Oh, and I think you are the "master" pun intended. (okay, maybe a little)

carol said...

Hi C.C.,Df's, Dfettes and all, great puzzle this morning, fast, fast..and fun. I too dislike quips, but since it is unlikely to change anytime soon, I hold my nose and try to figure them out.
37D I thought only of birds with "cote". I will look it up.

Drdad, Good luck explaining that little "quip" you started!!!! LOL (Dennis, you thought YOU had a tough explanation a few days ago!!)

Bill at 6:47, LOL. ( Be sure to floss)

Ken, good luck at the crib tournament.
I am sorry we couldn't get out to Round Table last night, too much going on. I'll keep trying.

Night Owl and Pete, welcome..hang on, it's a fun ride.

carol said...

Whoa, Dennis and Cokato!!! I must say this ribaldry is starting early,love it.
Dennis, why does she call to god? Shouldn't it be your name? LOL

Dennis said...

cokato, I shoulda figured you'd be the first to pick up on the 'master' line, my DFette friend.
Speaking of DFettes, Carol, the obvious answer is that she must feel it has to be a higher power causing it.

And c.c., I didn't coin 'DF' to describe MY way of warped thinking, but rather the group's. I'm merely a cast member.

melissa bee said...

good morning c.c. and all,

like many of you, i don't love quip puzzles .. but i did like some of the words today. courts, nosh, sauterne, relaid .. reads like my favorite itenerary.

@dennis: hallelujah!

embien said...

8:49 today. No unknowns. A good bit of that time was dredging up Erhard's program (EST). I knew the cross was referring to the letter of the alphabet, but for some reason thought that "T" was the 19th letter. Dunno why I was so confused about that.

c.c.: cote refers to the shelter (shed) and thus can be used for sheep, cows, etc., though it's most commonly used for pigeons. cote

The yew tree is often seen as a symbol of death and it is indeed poisonous. Its wood is very "springy", hence its use in bows. yew Having grown them in the past, I know that artichokes are perennial. clear ayes beat me to that one. Unlike rhubarb, however, both asparagus and artichokes eventually get "old" and their production diminishes. That's why farmers replace their beds every few years--just to maintain production.

kittyb: I've noticed that sometimes a YouTube link will sit and "spin" for a while and then say "This video is no longer available". Just "refresh" and the video will appear in my experience. (must have something to do with lag on the Internet)

Mr. Ed said...

Good morning C.C. & all

@crockett - Welcome to the 'I hate quip day' society.

I think I've made my feelings about clueless quips very clear in the past so... maybe it's time to pull up my big boy pants and realize the fact that Mr. Olschwang creates these chambers of torture and therefore makes up the rules. Maybe the clue should have been listed as a 'var'??? Despite that being said... this quip came easily for me(as did most of the puzzle). I was all over the grid though and the perps did nost of the work. My only problem area was the east coast. Just slow getting through it. Astin meant nothing to me & 49A brought a complete blank so I was forced to (shudder) Google. 32D was a gimmee... been there.. Spain's Mediterranean Sun Coast. It's big for golfers... lots of courses there. I don't golf but I love sun... 41D/51A misspelled stearage... wondered what???? Then realized 51A was 19th in the alphabet... duh!

@embien et al Interesting note about Yew trees... they grow here in O and were almost wiped out for their bark a few years back. It was the only known source for an element in a cancer treatment drug. That ingredient is now being produced synthetically.

@C.C. Very good description of Sade's music.

To all the newcomers... including night owl... welcome! We look forward to your input.

Yet once again, I'm on the run today. So, y'all have a good day.


Jeannie said...

Okay, about the puzzle, for once I got the quote right away. That helped some. I have never heard of sauterne wine, I am mostly a red wine drinker. Also didn't know that the plural for rhubarb could be rhubarbs. Never heard of spats but got that one from the crosses. The rest came fairly easy. Grinned at relaid.

drdad, find 'em, feel 'em, what? your post from last night. Where do you reside? BTW Cokato has a liquor store AND a bar now. It finally passed in the last election. You can probably find me in either location sometime on the weekend.

Dennis you are not just a cast member but hold a starring role in DFness.

JD said...

Good morning C.C. and all,
Enjoyed today's puzzle, but had to search a bit.I knew spats as arguments, but had no clue that it was a rhubarb.The dictionary meaning also said spats is a group of oysters.
I think I have one problem left on my puzzle. Is 34D shone? If so, I do not know nosh or ton; they don't seem to fit.
I added cote and samovar to my new list of words.

Crockett1947_ Thannks so much for explainning ens to me the other nnight.

Here's a groaner:
A small boy swallowed some coins and was taken to the hospital. When his grandmother telephoned to ask how he was, a nurse said, "No change yet."

C.C. Burnikel said...

Dr. Dad,
Thank you for taking the MOREL precaution and answering my question privately. So what brings you happiness?

Oh my _ _ _ (Object of worship). You sinned, yet again. I don't buy your group DF definition. It's an unfair MOREL categorization.

Thank you for cote & YEWS.

nitehawk said...

51 across the letter s is the 19th letter in the alphabet nitehawk

Dennis said...

c.c., I guess it's a natural for me to have sinned...just read the word backwards.

Dr. Dad said...

I did not know that artichokes are perennial. I learned something.

Dr. Dad said...

The anti-cancer drug from the Pacific yew tree was originally called Taxol and is now called Paclitaxel. I worked on a sythesis of the drug in graduate school. It is now being made synthetically by Bristol Myers Squibb. It's chemical name is frightening - (1S,2S,3R,4S,7R,9S,10S,12R,15S)-4,12-Diacetoxy-15-{[(2R,3S)-3- (benzoylamino)-2-hydroxy-3- phenylpropanoyl]oxy}-1,9- dihydroxy-10,14,17,17-tetramethyl -11-oxo-6-oxatetracyclo [,10~.0~4,7~] heptadec-13-en-2-yl benzoate.

Jeannie said...

one hit wonders

Jeannie said...

Drdad, did you have that committed to memory? Either way, your knowledge astounds me. We haven't had a chemistry lesson from you in a while.

Marie said...

I would have liked it if 42D would have been clued as slang Sporty Chevy cause a Vette isn't really an abbreviation is it?

cc..I love your definition of Sade's music...I agree.... well except for the Creme Brulee part. While I am told I make one of the best around it just holds no real appeal for me.... now the flourless choclate cake with raspberries.... YUMMMMMMMMMM

steve said...


I would never consider sauterne a table wine, I have only known it to be used in cooking.

Your vapor trail or contrail is made from the hot exhaust from high flying jets. It is really ice crystals and only happens at certain temperature altitudes. Most fighter pilot know what that altitude is and try to avoid it for fear of being sighted by the enemy

Overall a fairly easy puzzle considering it's thursday with AEP and his confounded quips.

Kokato, what are you trying to start with the find 'em feel 'em bit??? Maybe I'm thinking of something else!

Buckeye said...

Hello c.c., DF's, DFettes, KH's, Newcomers and Lurkers. (I think most of us started as lurkers until we realized nobody on this blog laughs at nor derides your problems - at least not until they get to know you real well. Just the opposite. We're all here to help each other learn and have fun).

No real problems today. Figured out 51a early and the remembered Erhard's EST from the '80's. I think he started in Denver, but not sure. c.c., you need to write X/W puzzles. Your cluing is always "right on". Beverly Sills and opera in the same puzzle is brilliant, as are most of your comments about construction.

@drdad; A few years ago I was sitting at my kitchen table with a tall glass of Glenlivet, and decided to come up with a synthetic chemical for Taxol. I had everything you showed us, but the last item I had "benzonIte" instead of "benzonAte". Stupid! Just another of my successful ways to do things incorrectly. Like my other inventions "Nurse Pepper", "6 UP", "Heinz 56 sauce", and "WD 39" among many others. I need to get some more "sticktoittiveness".

BTW, I had to delay on 46a, since both the payee and payer are named on a check.

I must be off.

Mr. Ed said...

@ drdad I salute you! Your 1st hand input on Taxol/Paclitaxol is incredible. Their names escaped me long ago I'm afraid but. The good part is that countless cancer patients have benefited from the development of the drug.

Btw... I still have one Yew in my back yard. Deer nibble on it & keep it pruned with no ill effects so I wonder what part(if any) is poisonous?

@buckeye The USC juggernaut comes to OSU(Oregon State) tonight. It will be interesting to see if the Beavers can keep them contained. I think it will come down to whether Muevao(qb)
can find open targets within six seconds... the time it'll take for USC's defense to chalk up a sack. But, the football bounces in strange directions sometimes. I personally think that if Oregon State stays within the point spread of 25, it'll be something to crow about. But, the Beavers would love to be known as 'The Giant Killer' once again. They have a history of being a problem for USC.

With that... I'm once again out the door.


Jeannie said...

Steve, Drdad started it, I just want to see him complete it. By the way, I asked you before but got no answer, do you still fly and if so what?

Bill said...

Find, Feel, Fondle and Forget 'em!

Anonymous said...

Quip: he who courts and runs away getting milk for free, by never having to purchase the cow

Buckeye said...

@ Carl, Good luck to you and the Beavers this Sat. Hope you lay a good "gnawin'" on the Trojans' leg. Meuvau better find a receiver faster than six seconds or he's toast. You're right; you've been a thorn in their side for a few years and I hope you continue. They're a damned fine ball club, but you can "spoil" it for them again. Go Beavers and Bucks!!!!!

There is nothing worse than an angry Beaver!!


lois said...

Good afternoon CC & DF's: Good puzzle, but don't know if I agree w/the quote. Depends on how fast he can run, I think. Find 'em, feel 'em, pluck 'em is how I see it happenin'. Relaid is always the option if you aren't satisfied the first time. Isn't that what a 'spare' is for?

CC: your clues are soooo much better than those given. You're a master for sure!

Be back later.

Anonymous said...

mark - Buenos Aires

Yes c.c. vinyl is correct. I assume you know why.

How about:
"underplaying ones skills in cleverly deflecting spear" (4 & 11 letters)

Buckeye said...

Sorry, Carl. Good luck TONIGHT!!
Also, it's Meuvao (Typo). My bad.

Since I'm here, I'll tell you the poem my Dad taught me about the days in the months.

Thirty days has Septober,
April, June and Nowonder,
All the rest have 31,
Except for February, which as 28 - except, due to a lagging in Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun, it's necessary to add an extra day every four years to compensate, which we call "Leap Year" and corresponds to the U.S. presidential elections and the summer olympics.

The Ol' Man was a great poet.


carol said...

Dennis at 11:21 yes, "higher, higher,more, more, faster...." oops don't leave a vapor trail!

Buckeye at 3:19 Except maybe an angry clam!

30 days hath September,
April, June and
no wonder all the rest
have peanut butter
except my grandmother
who rides a little red tricycle.
(That was a little bit of nonsense from my childhood) ok, a lot of nonsense) :)

steve said...


I retired from American Airlines in 2006. I haven't been any higher than I can jump since. The desire is still there, I should go rent a Cesna or something I guess, but I'm having soooo much fun on CC's blog. A laugh a minute.

Clear Ayes said...

C.C. How poetic you have become.

Crème brûlée, strawberries and chocolate are definitely sensual. Red roses are quite passionate. AND you can't get much more soulful than quiet tears and a broken heart on a cold December evening in Paris.

I made a lovely asparagus, shrimp and mushroom quiche yesterday for my cribbage pals. It was the only good thing about the afternoon. Ken and Carol, I know you can relate to the fact that when ya don't have 'em,, ya can't play 'em. Honest, I am a good cribbage player, but my partner and I lost 4 games out of 5 to two women I taught how to play! How aggravating is that?

C.C. I enjoyed the Obama & crossword link. It was very funny.

Re Chesterton's poem I guess he thought that the only two things worth drinking were wine for enjoyment and water to keep you from dehydration and certain death. Anything else was garbage and should be thrown away. I don't agree with his opinion. I wouldn't be able to start my day without a cup or three of coffee.

Sean Astin also starred (among other films) in 1993's "Rudy", which was based on the college period of Rudy Ruettiger's life. It is a "feel good" sports movie. We took G.A.H.'s rather prim mother to see it and she loved it. I don't know if that is a recommendation or not, but if you want to rent a movie that grandkids or mothers-in-law can watch, "Rudy" is a good one.

Steve, I wouldn't use C.C. 1999 Chateau Raymond-Lafon Sauternes as a cooking wine. When googled, it shows up as costing around $100 a bottle.

My orange Muscat was about $16 a bottle. That's close to my limit for a bottle of wine.

I think xchefwalt would agree that you shouldn't cook with any wine you wouldn't want to drink on its own. BTW, where has he been? He should check in with his opinions on flourless cakes. I know he has them.

bellensav said...

I was feeling right proud of myself until Bill explained 19th of a certain letter was ESS. How silly of me not to think that one through! Missed that one and of course 47d. Never heard of Erhard. Just love this site!

Dick said...

Oh God! Dennis you really are dysfunctional. And by the way do you really thing Cc is a master baiter?

Buckeye your 1:34 post was very funny.

bellensav said...

Oh, P.S. I don't work the puzzle while driving. Only at the stop lights!

C.C. Burnikel said...

Is your dog's name Lola?

What is "etus allus". Can you explain me in simple terms Kant's saying "make all your actions as though they were actions universal". How is it related to a priori reasoning?

Barb B,
I forgot to tell you that your PRE cluing yesterday is awesome.

Can you help me with Martin's 3:41pm post? I've spent 15 minutes intensively thinking about it but come up with nothing.

"Ottawa-na know if it's a collision course or not.". What is "Ottawa-na"? And what does "flick some bics" mean? What is 'middie' party?

Dennis said...

dick, yes, I'm a product of my environment (this blog). And c.c. is most definitely that thing you said.

Anonymous said...

He that fights and runs away, may turn and fight another day; but he that is in battle slain, will never rise to fight again.~Tacitus


Anonymous said...

Find 'em, feel 'em... fork 'em???


melissa bee said...

lois: Relaid is always the option if you aren't satisfied the first time.

if you are, too.

lois said...

Melissa: Very funny. Love how you think!

Dennis: LMAO! My son's 1st Tae Kwon Do Sensi (sp?) was named Bader. You know they address those guys as "Master". True story. But you really are the supreme master baiter. Do you fish? I would bet that your rod would be the hottest one around, if you do.

Steve: I too think of Sauterne as a cooking wine a little...a little in the sauce, a lot in me, etc. We're both sauced.

CC: What is "Ottawa-na"? Means 'I don't wanna... know' what does "flick some bics" mean? A take off on a Bic pen commercial years ago meaning playing with his nib. 'middie' party is a party that starts at midnight. Fun times.

Anonymous said...

Hi C.C. and the whole gang.

Love this site! More fun than a barrel of monkeys.

Pretty good puzzle today, except for the fact that it is quip day. Seems like a lot of us agree on this.

Dennis - You're right! It is a great group.

BTW, have to show my ignorance. I thought I knew most of the computer abbreviations, however, I have seen LMAO several times and have not been able to figure it out. Lois, on your 7:35 PM post, you used this abbr. Can you enlighten me on this? Or anyone else that sees this post?

Gotta run for now.


Night Owl

Anonymous said...

@ cokato 11:42

I AM STUNNED! I remember when that convience store opened on 2 and 12 they applied for a 3.2 license and were told if they ever asked again there sales permit would be revoked!
I am from a little town south by west of you called Buffalo Lake. Although I work in st. Cloud now.

I am definitly going to have to stop in soon !

Have a wonderful evening everyone


Anonymous said...

@ nite owl


laughing my butt off

did I spell that wrung?



Clear Ayes said...

Hi Night Owl, LMAO stands for "laughing my ass off". For acronym deprived people, such as myself, here's a good list of basic Online Acronyms to keep you relatively up to date with the 20th century. OMG, you mean it's too late?

Barry G. said...

You meant no more courting after marriage?

No, I meant no more life after marriage.

But don't tell my wife I said that... ^_^

JD said...

Barry, I'm sure she knows..

Jeannie said...

Lois, did you get my e-mail? Whoo you have not put your picture up therefore I will not recognize you at the new watering hole. We may be just two corn cobs passing in the night. Have you been to the big Corn Carnival? Still no beer tent but we are pushing for it. My friend lives on the parade route and we all go there and line up our chairs and tend to get good and hammered and call it our own "beer" tent. Of course we all take the next day off. Where exactly is Buffalo Lake (city)? I drive by Buffalo Lake everyday on the way to work: and if you read my profile you would see, I enjoy sailing. I was very jealous to see a day sailor boat out there on my way home on Buffalo Lake today enjoying a fabulous sail. I hope the weekend pans out for me as I only have two weekends left on my bouy on Lk Waconia.

Click on Drdads icon, and read his blog. I believe around August 15th he did a profile of the city of Cokato and I certainly learned something new. I was transplanted here in 2001 to get "more bang for my buck"---(not that I have to pay for "it":)but like the small town feel.

Jeannie said...

Dennis, I am very disappointed that you didn't pick up on my "fine point" comment about writing instruments yesterday. I labia'd it right out to ya. Come UP RIGHT and CENTER and EXPLAIN yourself!! Drop down and give me?? You be the judge.

lois said...

Cokato: No, I sure didn't get your email. Resend it. It may have automatically gone into the spam file and I didn't catch it before I emptied it. Try again, ok?

Night owl: Ask and you shall receive. I see that your question has been answered. Now, do you have any wishes? I'll see what I can do.

Crockett1947 said...

Hey buckeye! Oregon State 27, USC 21. Is that amazing, or what!

Anonymous said...

W H O O, Clear Ayes, Carol and Lois

Thank you all for clearing up the LMAO acronym. That's great! As soon as I saw the answer I was sure that I had seen it in another lifetime. I used to run a BBS years ago when they were popular and I picked up a lot of them then.
But it just wouldn't come to me when I saw it here. Guess I'm kinda giving away my age now. Has anyone here participated in the old BBS's? It was a lot of fun but quite a bit of work too. :>
I was the Sysop and my screen name was Dragon Lady.

Clear Ayes - Thanks for the tip re: Online Acronyms.

Have a great day and good puzzling!

Dennis - BTW - Hope the nor'easter dosen't treat you too badly.

Night Owl

Buckeye said...

To Carl, Crockett1947, Ken, Carol, Embien, BarbB, and all the other Oregonians - My Buckeye hat is
doffed to your Oregon State football team. A GREAT WIN. Fantastic game plan, great execution, and an outstanding victory for your OSU Beavers, their fans, all underdogs everywhere and for college football in general. Now you see why I love this game so much. "On any given day...." My sincere congratulations. To the USC fans out there - Now you know how Ohio State fans feel. Sorry.

c.c. I just wanted to LATIN UP et al even further with etus allus. Kant's statement of "Make every act as though it were an act universal" has nothing to do with a priori reasoning. It expands on the "Golden Rule" of "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you". His statement includes all acts not just dealings with people. As a crude example, think before you spit on the sidewalk. If you do spit, imagine all the people in the universe coming to that exact spot and spitting where you just did. The results would be catastrophic. I'm sure you can think of a million parables that would work better than mine, but sometimes shock stays in the mind longer.

Congrats, again from one OSU to another OSU. I would say the orange and black OSU (we being the scarlet and gray) but Oklahoma State University (OSU) is also orange and black.


Anonymous said...

C.C., I'm early tonight, only 1:35 or so. Just wanted to tell you I love being referred to as a "quiet raptor." I've long been fascinated by owls and am by nature a quiet person, so that's a compliment and I thank you. Great links today as well. Made it through the puzzle without help, but didn't like the quip. Apparently no one else did either.

Wonderfully entertaining, amusing and informative comments today. Nice close to the day. Happy Friday, everyone.


Mr. Ed said...

@buckeye Thank you for your comments on OSU! And with that, I'm just going to savor the sweet taste for now!!!!

Welcome to bellensave, pete, tracey, promisemethis, kit & nitehawk... it's good to have all of you joining in. I'm interested in where each of you call home so I'll enjoy reading that when you're ready to share it

@night owl... it's good to see you're still with us and jumping into the mix with both feet. We need more night people.

With that, I'm going to finish off this Malibu & Pepsi I've been sipping and call it a night.


Auntie Naomi said...

Thanks for the welcome, Carl :)

Although I was born and raised in Montana, I have lived in Florida for over 22 years and pretty much consider myself a Floridian now. I currently reside in the Fort Lauderdale area. Although it sits in the midst of the South Florida metropolitan area, my town, Wilton Manors, is technically a small town since it has only about 13,000 people. It is known as the 'Island City' as it is completely surrounded by two branches of the quaint little Middle River. Thanks for asking.