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Sep 3, 2008

Wednesday September 3, 2008 Allan E. Parrish

Theme: What's my LINE? (59D: Word after 21A, 39A, 54A, 3D and 35D)

21A: "(Today I Met) The Boy I'm Gonna Marry" singer: DARLENE LOVE

39A: Conference ID: NAME TAG

54A: Upstairs: SECOND STORY

3D: End-of-filming get-together: WRAP PARTY

35D: Submariners' harbor: NAVAL BASE

I've never heard of DARLENE LOVE or her song. I've never heard of "LOVELINE" either. It sounds like a dating service to me.

I really like this puzzle, good theme concept and great theme execution. I enjoy most of Allan E. Parrish's puzzles, so creative and entertaining. Scrabbly too. Quality stuff.

But I often wonder why most of the constructors choose to place their theme words at the very end of the grid. In today's case, it's LINE. You know, they could have put it at the upper left corner, or at the very heart of the grid. Do they position it at the end on purpose to elicit reader's "Aha"? If so, they are woefully wrong, unless LINE is simply clued as a "Queue". Solvers need to be challenged and work hard to figure out the theme title rather than being given so readily.

Across:

1A: Young deer: FAWNS. I don't know what makes a crossword constructor tick. What prompts him to clue FAWNS as a noun rather than a verb?

10A: Counterfeit: SHAM. I would prefer the clue to be a simple "Fraud". See FAKE (1D: Counterfeit).

14A: Skylit courtyards: ATRIA. Also "Heart chambers".

15A: Be aware of: KNOW. I have a question: What's the difference between BEWARE and BEWARE OF? Also, can you give me examples to show the distinctions?

16A: Wakiki wiggle?: HULA. Good clue. I love the skirts they are wearing.

24A: House coat?: PAINT. "PAINT my love, you should PAINT my love, it's the picture of a thousand sunsets...", one of my favorite songs from "Michael Learns To Rock".

34A: Jim of CBS sports: NANTZ. Do you like him?

42A: "Heidi" novelist: SPYRI (Johanna). I really have difficulty remembering this author's name. Shirley Temple is adorable in "Heidi".

44A: Rider Revere: PAUL. I've never heard of his name before. PAUL Klee, PAUL C├ęzanne & PAUL Gauguin yes.

45A: Cinematopgraher Nykvist: SVEN. Got his name from the down fills. Of those films, I've only seen "The Unbearable Lightnes of Being" & "Sleepless in Seattle". Which ones have you watched before?

53A: 1986 Indy winner Bobby: RAHAL. I don't think I could have got his name without the surrounds.

57A: Cartoonist Keane: BIL. I like his "The Family Circus". What comic strip do you read every day?

66A: Red dye: EOSIN. Nope. Interesting root word "EOS" (Greek Goddess of dawn). "In" is just a chemcial suffix. Dictionary says EOSIN is "used chiefly as an acid dye for dyeing silk a rose red color". I am sure Dr. Dad will provide us with his expert information on EOSIN.

67A: Printed matter: TEXT

Down:

2D: Actor Roscoe: ATES. Got it from the across fills. Not familiar with him at all. Would you be able to get him without the crossing references?

6D: Bypass: SKIRT. Nice SKIRT. I like the color, don't you?

7D: Organic compound: ENOL. So many crossword-friendly organic compounds: AMINE, AMIDE, ENOL, ESTER & NITRILE.

8D: "Lady Jane Grey" dramatist: ROWE (Nicholas). I forgot. He appeared in our puzzle before. I did not know that "Lady Jane Grey" refers to Queen Jane, whose "claimed rule of nine days in July 1553 is the shortest rule of England in its history." Interesting, WP says that the seductive lady-killer Lothario is from his play "The Fair Penitent".

9D: African titles: BWANAS. "Masters" in Swahili.

10D: Clinton cabinet member Donna: SHALALA. Gimme to me. She served as Clinton's Secretary of Health and Human services for all eight years.

11D: Impresario Sol: HUROK. Completely unknown to me. Is that an OPERA HAT he is holding?

23D: "Dallas" family: EWING. Also Adlai E Stevenson's middle name.

28D: Hanks role: GUMP. Indeed, "Forrest GUMP" should have ended this way!

29D: Sheep's cry: BLEAT. Exactly, Ewe said it!

30D: Aleutian island: ATTU. Where is ATTU? I cannot locate it in this map.

40D: Site of rites: ALTAR. Interesting book title.

43D: Changed the land-use rules: REZONED

49D: Limerick necessities: RHYMES. I am not fond of Rap music, but I do admire those rappers' strong sense of rhyme, amazing!

51D: Paris subway: METRO. Ah, the best method to travel in Paris, highly efficient.

52D: Amtrak's bullet train: ACELA. Got it this time. Identical clue in his June 24 puzzle. I also found out that ACELA means "one" in Romanian language.

55D: Wild plum: SLOE. They look like blueberries to me.

56D: Kodak brand: T-MAX. Another identical clue in his August 8 puzzle.

63D: Winter Games grp.: IOC. Ha, I was thinking of NFL. Nice clue though, much more interesting than "Summer Games org."

C.C.

93 comments:

Dick said...

Good morning Cc and DFs. Not too bad today except for a few crazy and unusual names like Donna Shalala, Sven Nykvist and Sol Curok. All of these came via perps but I would not have known them otherwise. It took me awhile to get 59D but it finally appeared. I liked this puzzle as it was solve able without Mr G but it was not an easy CW to solve.

Dennis said...

Good morning, c.c. and fellow DFs - I agree with Dick about the names - got 'spyri' and 'sven' from the perps and the rest was pretty straightforward.

c.c., again, great skirt pics. You always know how to get the morning started.

Here's the pony pic to compliment the rest of the posse. Hope everyone has a great day; almost the weekend already.

C. C. said...

Dick,
Interesting. LINE is one of the first words I filled in. Was ATES a gimme to you?

Dennis,
What an upright and ERECT posture! What a MOREL guy you are! At such a tender age! Why was I not surprised that you would comment on the SKIRT picture?

Xchefwalt,
Maybe you should open an Gmail account. It's easy to comment here.

Argyle said...

Good morning, c.c. and DF's

Wow, a quadruple cross. Four names I didn't know crossing each other. Shalala, Hurok, Darlene Love, and Nantz

C. C. said...

Arygle,
Sorry I did not get your 5:41am message yesterday morning. I thought you were listening to music on an iPod while solving the puzzle. Please have patience with me. Sometimes I can be very slow in understanding your comments. I do adore your "LISTEN TO MUSIC" idea, a perfect 13-letter phrase. Jim NANTZ is the master of "The MASTERS".

Argyle said...

c.c., that's ok.
I only have rabbit ears antenna on my tv and couldn't get the Master's in well enough to see the ball, so I didn't watch it.

Hurok "Is that an OPERA HAT he is holding?"
No, It is a fedora.

Dick said...

@ CC No ATES was not a gimme. I had to get it from the perps as well as the other names I listed. I liked your skirt picture and the hula dancers.

Dick said...

Wow Dennis that pony sure got around. It seems as every one on this blog has ridden it.

Barry said...

Morning, folks!

I managed to get through this one unassisted, but it was a bit of a slog and I ended up having to make an educated guess to get the DARLENELOVE/HUROK crossing. I've never heard of either person, but LOVE sounded like a better name for a popular singer than LAVE, LEVE, LUVE or LIVE.

I usually see SPYRI in the clue, not the answer, so it took me a moment to switch mental gears.

RAHAL was a vague memory, but I still needed to rely on the perps to make sure I spelled it right.

I also vaguely remembered Jim NANTZ -- enough to help me get ZANY for 37D. I had no idea who SVEN Nykvist was, however. Fortunately, I remembered ARA Parseghian, ATTU and TRET as old crossword stalwarts and that allowed me to finish that section. EOSIN was another word I barely remembered.

ROWE and ATES were also foreign to me, but they were both easily gettable via the perps.

As for your questions, C. C.:

I don't think there's any difference between BEWARE and BEWARE OF. English just likes adding extra prepositions. Just like you can say "come over here" or "come here" and it means the same thing. BE AWARE OF, however, means something completely different.

As for my favorite newspaper comics, I still like Doonsebury but most of my other favorites (Fox Trot, Bloom County, Calvin & Hobbes) are gone (except for Fox Trot that now appears only on Sundays).

With regard to Paul Revere, he is a key figure in the mythology/legend surrounding the American Revolution. Supposedly, he (along with William Dawes) rode through the streets of Boston warning the colonists that the British were about to attack. Paul probably didn't have much to do with the events of that evening, but he was immortalized years later in a famous poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow that begins:

Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five;
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year.

drdad said...

Good morning!
Had to "G-spot" the upper corner for Hurok and Shalala. Then kept wanting to spell it Jim "Nance" which messes one up for a bit. All other areas were a piece of cake.

Here is Prince Namor - The Sub-Mariner.

Something else that would fit in the puzzle would be from Dennis' picture yesterday - his "bottom" line.

Marmaduke, Dennis the Menace, Close to Home, Garfield, Blondie, Peanuts, Hagar the Horrible, Shoe, Red and Rover, For Better or Worse.

I know of eosin as a red fluorescent dye that is used to stain tissue samples for viewing under a microscope, e.g. muscle tissue, cytoplasm, etc.

That is a very nice bluish white skirt (not skort).

I liked the revised ending for Forrest Gump.

Attu is the red dot on this Alaska map..

Today is Skyscraper Day (for C.C. and the Sirens a skyscraper is hard and erect). It is Uncle Sam's Birthday (his image was first used on this day in 1813).

Have a great Hump Day!!!!

drdad said...

Trivia question. Of the 50 U.S. states, which ones are the furthest North, South, East, and West?

Dennis said...

drdad, Hawaii is furthest south, Alaska is furthest north, west AND east.

drdad said...

Very Good, Dennis! There is one island that is part of Alaska that is over the IDL.

Katherine said...

Good morning everyone.
Good puzzle today. I had to Google a few, but got most of it.
I remember Darlene Love's song. It was good back in the day.
I liked the song Paint My Love and the clue for house coat was a good one.
I have seen Sleepless in Seattle and Agnes of God. Those are the only two from the list I saw.
Nice skirt from 6D CC. You always find the good ones.
Nice picture Drdad.
Have a good day everyone...

Bill said...

DrDad, Clever! I thought maybe I slept through a major movement of some sort!!
I've seen better x-words. My major problem is with all the proper names that seem to be dredged from unknown times and places. NYKVIST, HUROK, DARLENELOVE, ROWE, and I just could not remember SHALALA.
I've been in the transportation business for a little more than 40 years (Nothing fancy, just a common ordinary truck driver) and hauled goods all over this country and today is the first time I've ever seen the word TRET!! Did I miss something somewhere??? I would hazard a guess that it has more to do with produce and spoilage but I don't really know.
How come I never saw the horse guy?? Must be I lived to far out in the country!

C. C. said...

Barry,
It's so nice of you to address all my questions. Regarding the poem, "Listen my children and you shall hear/Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere", is that why he was called a "Rider"? After the publishing of the poem?

Dr. Dad,
Funny you mentioned SKORT. Thank you for the post on Hammond yesterday. I am sure Chris will appreciate it. He is still in MS this morning with a broken RV.

Bill,
I learned TRET from doing Xword. Where did you grow up? I saw the pony guy at a flea market last year.

Kazie,
Did you consume those rainwater directly? Was it safe?

Barb B,
What is Gyp water? Did your grandma use it for bath? Did she drink the rainwater without any processing at all?

Crockett,
Besides "type of simple eye", Dictionary defines ocellus also as "an eyelike spot, as on a peacock feather." So, you were slightly wet.

kazie said...

c.c., Attu isn't on your map. It's much farther to the west. It's that last one shown on my map, but there must be another if there's one across the dateline, since that seems to still be further west yet. the chain of Aleutians curves up in a NW direction before reaching Attu.

I got stuck on most of the S-E corner today as well as Nantz, Ara and Rahal--those sports clues again.

kazie said...

c.c. Sorry, my last crossed yours in cyberspace. Yes, we drank the water, but the roofs therre were terra cotta tiles so no asbestos or anything nasty to leach in from the roof. Rainwater is wonderful to bathe in and shampoo works great in it too. Probably no acid rain to worry about in the outback either.

DoesItinInk said...

I looked as if I was not going to be able to finish the lower right portion of the puzzle, but in the end I managed to pull it off without any searches on Google! (When I do use Google, I fill those tiles in red ink to indicate that I needed help, and I count those as points off. Ok, so I am hard on myself!) I had never heard of EOSIN, TRET or ACELA but managed to get those from the crossing words.

PESTO: I made fresh pesto sauce this weekend from basil in my garden. This weekend I will make up a large batch of pesto sauce and freeze it in ice cube size portions for this winter.

ANITA Loos: She wrote Gentlemen Love Blonds.

GUMP: Forrest Gump was a very popular movie when it came out, but I never really liked it. There were a few memorable quotes in the movie though: “Mama always said life was like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get”.

STEN: I have never seen the tv series Nana, but fortunately I have managed to remember Anna STEN’s last name!

Have a good day.

DoesItinInk said...

I have fond memories of when I was very young and my mother would sit down on the floor with me and read the Sunday comics to me. Now I read the comics every day. I love For Better or Worse and am sad to see the current story line come to an end. I also enjoy Zits. The character Jeremy often reminds me of my middle daughter! Get Fuzzy is also a favorite…poor Satchel! I still read Doonesbury out of loyalty, though I think it has lost some of its edge. But I miss some of the ones that have disappeared…Calvin and Hobbes, The Far Side, for example.

kazie said...

c.c., Barb B was talking about well water when I said the groundwater was too brackish, and that's why they had the huge water tank by the house. She said in Texas the groundwater was called gyp water.
doesitinink, What's your pesto recipe? I've got oodles of basil, and it's so good, isn't it?

MH said...

Medium tough. I had NANCE instead of NANTZ which threw me off. In one of those twists of irony I had just been doing some travel planning yesterday and thinking of taking the AMTRAK from Washington DC to New York City. One of the routes is the ACELA which I wouldn't have otherwise known. I had some trouble in the SE corner since I didn't know EOSIN and wasn't sure about BIL (I was thinking maybe BUD). My current favorite cartoon is "Pearls Before Swine", especially the alligators that are always trying to eat the zebras. They started a company called "Eatazebe" which I thought was hilarious. Adding to what Barry said about Paul Revere, supposedly the Revereware brand of pots and pans is named for him. Also there was a 60's rock group called "Paul Revere and the Raiders".

DoesItinInk said...

kazie: I'll be glad to send you my recipe for pesto tomorrow: I do not have it at hand as I am at work. It uses a food processor which means it very easy to make, while not quite as authentic as the mortar and pestle version.

kazie said...

doesitinink, thanks for the recipe--I'll be looking out for it.

Ken said...

Good morning, C.C. et al. This was mostly a yawner, but I was stumped by a few until the fills help. It's a beautiful day in Oregon.
"Midnight Ride of Paul Revere" was one of those Longfellow poems children of my generation memorized. The nun who challenged us with that one also wanted us to do "The Song of Hiawatha", a very long poem. Then she laughed. I think it was the only humor she showed us.
A much simpler poem of Longfellow's is "Day is Done", one I've charmed a lady or two by reciting.

Dr.G said...

Dr,dad,
Thank you for teaching me something I didn't know about Alaska. Clever.

C.C.,

Beware implies caution or danger -Beware the bull in the pasture.

Beware of implies recall of prior knowledge -Beaware of the effects of city lights on the night sky.

Why do men no longer wear fedoras let alone hats. (I'm not calling a cap a hat.)

JD said...

I haven't finished puzzle yet, but got to 49D. I remember we had a limerick discussion earlier

There is a young lady from China
Who is making our vocabulary finer
She created a blog
Took us out of our fog
and our errors have become very minor

Dennis said...

jd, that's just great - made me laugh out loud. Nice job.

melissa bee said...

good morning c.c. and all,

it seems appropriate to me that the theme answer 'line' is at the end of the puzzle. were it clued as simply 'queue,' i, for one, would never have figured out that it was supposed to follow the other theme answers.

there was a discussion about redcoat(s) and paul revere in the may 5 comments section.

again with the limericks and sheep ..

@dennis: yesterday we got mooned, and today the chaps .. can hardly wait for tomorrow.

Clear Ayes said...

Good Morning All, I liked this puzzle, although (as usual) there were a few words that stopped by progress and I had to work on the surrounds. I didn't know ROWE, TRET, SVEN or EOSIN. How could I be familiar with ACELA, since it only runs in the Northeastern States? I need to make a list of C.C.'s "crossword friendly organic compounds".

PAUL Revere was know in his time as a master silversmith. Here are a few of originals Revere silver. His silver is known now from those lucky people who show up on "Antiques Roadshow" with one of his pieces.

Just about all American schoolchildren are introduced to Revere via Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's "Ride".
Longfellow wrote a lot of lyric poetry in the mid-1800's. "Evangeline" starts off with the well-known line, "This is the forest primeval." He also wrote "The Courtship of Miles Standish" and next to "Paul Revere's Ride", his most famous poem was "The Song of Hiawatha".

"By the shores of Gitche Gumee,
By the shining Big-Sea-Water,
Stood the wigwam of Nokomis,
Daughter of the Moon, Nokomis."

I won't include any links because Longfellow did like to go on and on. Some of his poems are more like books.

I read the comic strips every morning, usually last as a kind of dessert after all the news. I too miss The Far Side and Calvin & Hobbes. I like Get Fuzzy, Pearls Before Swine and Hagar the Horrible. G.A.H. and I sometimes call each other "Hagar" and "Helga".

Very good limerick, JD.

Ken said...

When I was a boy in Minneapolis, one of the radio stations read the comics over the air after school. I'd "tummy" in near the family Philco and follow along. My mother said that I could read anything by the end of first grade, but I think that was motherly pride. I've always been a prolific reader tho' and I credit those comics.
I read most of the comics, but love For Better or Worse, Hagar, Get Fuzzy, and Dilbert. If you've ever worked in a corporation, you've known all the Dilbert characters.

Barb B said...

C.C.
Gyp water is a term used for water with heavy concentration of gypsum from the soil. It’s very salty, and tastes horrible. I’ve read that it has a laxative effect; but since I could never swallow any because of the taste, I never found out first hand.

Her water was unfiltered and unprocessed, and we used it for everything. It made your hair and skin feel so soft, and there was no bleach-y smell like my tapwater today. You didn’t need fabric softener either. Clothes washed in rain water and dried in the sun feel and smell wonderful.

I don’t know what kind of roofing material she had, but it never occurred to anyone that it could be dangerous. At any rate, there was no other option. It doesn’t rain a lot in central Texas, so water was very carefully rationed.

flyingears said...

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
-Winston Churchill

Look at the size of that bear someone shot somewhere in USA!!!

I read several comics every day even at my old age. Calvin & Hobbes still my very favorite, followed by Andy Capp (his laziness is so unique), Non-Sequitur, Shoe, B. C., Wizard of Id, Born Loser, Peanuts (another favorite), Frank and Ernest.

Jim Nantz usually MCs Golf tornaments.

C.C., did you know Nantz used to be Fred Couples roommate in college?

JD said...

Reading those 1st few lines of Paul Revere's ride brings back great memories. When I was a kid, my grandfather always recited poetry at the dinner table. We all chimed in and I learned so many very long poems that way.Others were "The Gingham Dog and the Calico Cat" ("The Duel"), "The Barefoot Boy",and my favorite, E. Field's "Little Boy Blue"

Paul Revere's house is in Boston.He was a great master craftsman and silversmith. The Boston Committee of Correspondence and Safety hired him as an express rider to carry news.He was given orders to tell Sam Adams (:-) and John Hancock that the British troops were coming to arrest them. So he borrowed his neighbor's horse and the rest is history.

I like Peanuts and miss The Far Side.
Loved the puzzle ,but got stymied at the bottom.I have poas for long scarves. Is that right? It's not in my dictionary. And are boas the unlikable ones. I had a lovely boa named "Cuddles" for quite a few years until he was too heavy for the kids to handle.

Dennis said...

As to comics, past ones would include Calvin & Hobbes and The Far Side; current ones, Doonesbury, Pearls Before Swine (if you haven't tried this one, give it a week), and, as I come from 30 years in the corporate world, Dilbert is spot-on. As ken said, all the characters are intimately familiar, especially Wally.

Dennis said...

melissa, i went from chapped ass to chapped legs.

Carl said...

Good morning C.C. & all

Overall, a good puzzle today! It made me think... a lot! I first wanted to go with slav instead of serb... shows ya' how old I am! Darlene Love... nice song from a recent flick called Flyboys

I wanted secondfloor but the perps corrected my thinking. The southeast took me the longest. Rahal wasn't automatic although it should have been. Wanted Navarrone for 35D until the "duh" light came on. Took me almost a half hour over breakfast but finally got it all.

I think I'm with DH on the favorite comic strip. I LIKE Pearls Before Swine!! Can't wait to see what the crocs are up to next! And Dennis, you're right about getting into the flow of it.

@C.C. It's very common in the tropics(especially islands) for rainwater to be collected and utilized for potable water. It's the only source they have for that use.

A sidebar - Paul Revere & The Raiders had their roots here in the Northwest. Mark Lindsay, the lead singer for the group, has a restaurant here in Portland that features a 60's theme. Kind of an interesting place actually.

Hope everyone has a bodacious day. I'm still trying to catch up from being gone. Kind of makes ya' wonder about the wisdom of leaving in the first place??

DoesItinInk said...

jd: TOAD is the "unlikable one"...as in you have to kiss a lot of toads to find a prince. And BOAS is long scarves...47D "owing" is IN DEBT. Hope that helps.

xchefwalt said...

Good day c.c., DF’s and all. Wow, what a day so far. I love corporate America! They tell not to do this or that with your computers for virus reasons, then THEY give you the security software that causes your computer to have the DT’s and wig out. Anyway, I’m back!

Nice puzzle, it had a nice local flavor for me (Donna SHALALA is the current president of the university of MIAMI). I know Jim NANTZ because he hosts CBS’s pre-game show during football season.

I still read “Doonesbury” and like “Zits” also (my oldest is 17 and just like Jeremy), and I terribly miss Calvin, Bloom County and The Far Side (I plead guilty to having a warped sense of humor).

“Lady Jane” was an old movie that had a very young Helen B. Carter in the title role; also in the movie are Cary Ewles (The Princess Bride) and Patrick Stewart (Capt J.L. Picard). It’s a sad tale and shows what happens when religion and politics mix.

Make it a great day everyone.

Crockett1947 said...

Good morning, everyone! New names today: DARLENE LOVE, SVEN, STEN, ATES, ROWE, SHALALA, ACELA. All gotten through the perps. How about "What's My Line?" for the theme? Don't know about LOVE LINE, though. And the same clue for 10A and 1D???

C.C., we natives would have no trouble with PAUL. RAHAL was a gimme. That skirt would look good in pink as well! Oh heck, any old color would do, LOL! I imagine that SKIRT as a verb was a different usage for you. Sol's hat looks like a run-of-the-mill fedora to me. I think you need a larger map to find Attu Island. I remember it as being the furthest west of the Aleutians, so it may be that faint speck way over in the corner.

I see that I should have dug a bit further on ocellus. Thanks for the update. I guess I'm just a bit dewy this morning.

@jd What an absolutely fabulous limerick for C.C.!!

@carl Don't come looking for the restaurant. It went down the tubes quickly. Has been closed for a couple of months now.

Comics: Cul de sac, Hagar the Horrible, Blondie, Wizard of ID, Pickles, Stone Soup, Adam, Rose is Rose, Zits, Grand Avenue, Hi and Lois, Adams's Apples, Non Sequitur, Pearls Before Swine, Safe Havens, Elderberries, Dilbert, Better or Worse, Sally Forth, Peanuts, Luann, Garfield, Mother Goose and Grimm, Baby Blues, Ziggy, The Family Circus, and Mutts. Waste of space in the newspaper: Doonesbury, Get Fuzzy, Bizarro, and Close to Home.

Clear Ayes said...

I didn't know Jim NANTZ is a TV golf announcer. I probably hear his voice every weekend and didn't realize it.

I decided to post a new photo with my mother's version of a "kewpie curl". Kazie, this is another example of her photo colorist work.

We are thinking of installing a rainwater collection system. We live in a drought area and water is very expensive. We haven't done much research, but Google will help us there.

JD, did you get my email? Did it help?

JD, my parents were poetry reciters on holidays. One of their favorites was for Thanksgiving The Awful Fate of Little Jim from Eugene Field's "A Little Book of Tribune Verse". A rather ghastly tale for children, but it was written in a time (1882) when moderation was considered to be a great virtue. I still have my mother's 1901 edition of the book. Of course, that doesn't explain why my mother loved to recite this macabre poem every Thanksgiving. All the children sat there wide-eyed and mouths gaping while it was read with dramatic gestures and intonation. Mom was a real ham!

melissa bee said...

@dennis: sounds like you need some ointment.

Carl said...

@ crockett

I didn't know the "cafe" folded. It seemed like a very thin theme but I liked its motif. Shows how often I brave the city traffic I guess. I think it was tied to a chain of "startups" that have all folded now. Mad cow won't let me remember who the brain child was though.

Barb B said...

Posse members
How many are we? I think I'm missing someone. I have myself, Dennis, Carol's DH, and Clear Eyes on her llama. Seems like there were more.

Clear Eyes
When I first moved to Oregon I bought 5 acres with a well, and bought a 600 gallon cistern for rain water. All the neighbors laughed because there's LOTS of water in Oregon.

But when the first storm blew trees over the power lines and we lost electricity, our pumps wouldn't work since they had electric motors.

Guess who still had water.

Well, I did, and so did the people with generators. Either one is a good option.

flyingears said...

crockett1947,
You beat me hands down with the comics. I forgot to mention Blondie, Dilbert (although I don't like it some times), Garfield, Marvin, Opus, Rex Morgan, MD, Close to Home (it's so-so), Beetle Bailey and Dennis the Menace. I can't get The Far Side any longer. Where's the website for it?

cokato said...

I failed miserably at this one today. I couldn't get the upper middle even when I googled Darlene Love. Finally gave up as my lunch hour was coming to the end. I couldn't catch on to the theme either, even when I came to this blog I had to read it twice. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

Nice pictures today...enjoying all the naked babies! Why did our mothers do that...to embarass us in later life? I know my Mom pulled one out and showed it to my highschool boyfriend. I was mortified at the time.

We used to love to save the rainwater and bathe in it. Sometimes when it was raining real hard we'd go out and wash our hair in it.

Dennis, nice chaps/ass pictures! Back to back even.

Drdad...skyscraper day? I'll have to go out and climb one.

Cool day here in MN. Good sleeping weather.

cokato said...

Forgot about the comics...what ever happened to Cathy and Ziggy? Loved Calvin and Hobbes. A friend and I dressed up like them one Halloween.

Also, does anyone remember a Johnny Depp movie where he was a rare book finder/collector? It was really a bizarre movie and I wouldn't mind watching it again.

kazie said...

clear ayes, and a very cute photo it is too!

barb b, what a topic we started with the water tanks!

When I was first teaching in 1967, I lived with a bunch of other young teachers in a house that had only tank water, in what is now a resort town with city water, but which then was without. In hot weather, when it didn't rain and the tanks ran dry, we'd have to buy water and have it brought by truck from town, about 7 miles. Since this cost money, about as much as for a week's groceries at that time, while we prayed for rain, we used to play squash seven days a week and shower there, since we were all members of the club and it was free. Usually it would rain before we got sick of it. But we all became grade A squash players!

I'm not too fond of poetry usually, and what I grew up with was a different diet of poems from those that have been discussed here. For example, "The Man from Snowy River" by Banjo Paterson, on which the movie was based (very loosely). If you love horses, the posse members here, that's one to see!

Also, one which typified the Australian climate: "My Country" by Dorothea MacKellar--first verse:

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of rugged mountain ranges,
Of drought and flooding rains.

Always it was one or the other in the outback. Sorry to wax on so long, but better to share it all at once.

Anonymous said...

I'm a big fan of Jim Nantz especially during the Masters.
Great voice.
Good c/w today.
Geri
B.C Can

Dick said...

@doesitinink my favorite Forrest Gump line is "Stupid is as stupid does".

steve said...

Hi CC and all,

Well this one was easer than yesterdays anyway. I breezed through about 90% of it then had to go the the G-spot for HUROK, DARLENE LOVE, AND RAHAL, which helped alot. I first put Slav instead of Serb but quickly figured it out.

I think 39D should have been clued as Eisenhaur instead of Ike, and I didn't like the clue for 67A. I mean come on, unlikeable one could be just about anyone, me included.

Revere was clued as a rider becaule he was supposidly on horse back.

My father grew up in West Texas and the water they drank was termed Gyp water because of the gypsum in the ground. As Barb B said it tasted awful, but here were other by products in it also. the florine content must of been about 50 times what you find in a tube of Crest. The bad news was it discolored most peoples teeth to a light shade of brown. The good news there was no such thing as cavities.

I liked Forest Gump just the way it was.

Barb B said...

Kazie,
Yes, interesting topic. Most people in the modern world don’t know what it’s like to live without water, although countries like Africa know all to well. Put me in the wilderness and I’m not sure I could survive.

I enjoyed reading about how you coped when the tanks ran dry – in Australia, I presume. In Texas, tanks have an entirely different meaning. We collected rain water for home use in cisterns and made man-made ponds which we called tanks to collect water for livestock and for swimming. Sometimes creative ranchers would pipe the tank water to the house for baths, but the water was sandy and uncomfortable to sit in.

A tank then, is really a pond, but man made.

At times, my grandmas’ cisterns would run dry, and we trucked water in, but it came from a neighbor who had an artesian well, and I don’t think they charged us. We would have thought squash came from the garden, and wouldn’t have understood the need for a squash club.

I feel so spoiled now.

Clear Ayes said...

Kazie, G.A.H. and I saw "The Man From Snowy River" when it was a TV mini-series a while back. I've never seen a movie about Australians or filmed in Australia that I haven't really liked....well, "Crocodile Dundee" wore thin pretty quickly. Other than that there are "Breaker Morant", "Gallipoli", "Rabbit-Proof Fence", "My Brilliant Career", "Muriel's Wedding", "Once Were Warriors" and the adorable "The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert". The list goes on and on with the terrific Australian actors who have become big stars.

Australia and New Zealand are still on our "go to" list. We have the time, but the way air travel costs have skyrocketed lately, we may have to save for a while more.

Cokato, I think the Johnny Depp movie you want is "The Ninth Gate".

kazie said...

clear ayes, great that you appreciate so many aussie films! I loved all those too, except "Once were Warriors" which I must look for on Netflix.

barb b, they play squash here on the east coast, don't they? Around here all we have is racketball, and I never quite got used to that with such a short racket handle and large ball. Needless to say, I haven't played squash since moving to WI in 1974, so I certainly wouldn't be any good at it now.
Thanks for explaining the "tank" terminology. I wouldn't have thought of ponds being tanks, but I suppose if lined, they would be a tank. I've seen cistern used before, but just fell back on the term I grew up with.

kazie said...

clear ayes, you can read the actual Snowy River poem at
http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/patersonab/poetry/snowy.html
if you like. You'll recognize some of what you saw in the chase scene in the movie, but nothing else.

How do you insert links into this without the whole web address?

kazie said...

http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/patersonab/poetry/snowy.html

This is the right link--it didn't pick it all up before.

kazie said...

I had the whole thing there but it keeps missing the end which is:
/snowy.html
Hope it stays this time!

DoesItinInk said...

Cokato: The movie with Johnny Depp as a rare book collector is COLLECTOR, a 1995 film also with Frank Langella.

JD said...

doesitinink: That DID help. Can't believe I misspelled debt, and had an s on rezone instead of a d.Toad makes sense.

clear ayes: Yes, thank you.I'm working on it, as I've been in and out all morning

C.C. :enjoyed the new ending to Forest Gump LOL

C. C. said...

Kazie & Barb B,
I always thought those rain barrels are for watering flowers.

Dr. G,
Thank you for the "Beware" and "Beware of". So what's the difference between "Know" and "Know of"?

J.D,
Your "China finer" limerick brought a sweet smile to my face. Xie Xie! Now you've become my favorite J_ _ _ (TV Judge).

Melissa,
Re: PAUL Revere. What can I say? I only seem to remember stuff that Dennis and others should not have taught me. But EWE are good.

Xchefwalt,
I am glad your glitch is fixed and you are back in happy mood.

Crockett,
I think your theme title is superior, so I've abandoned mine and accepted yours. I agree that pink will be a lovely color for the SKIRT. But I don't understand your "I imagine that SKIRT as a verb was a different usage for you." comment. What were you trying to say? Dewy is good, the flowers cannot open without their dew.

cokato said...

Doesitink, I think clearayes is correct...the ninth gate is the movie, but frank Langella was also in it. Excellent movie if you've never seen it.

embien said...

7:28 today. EOSIN. DARLENE LOVE and TMAX were my unknowns (gotten via crosses). It was interesting how many words were also in today's syndicated NY Times crossword (I won't list them for those who haven't yet solved the NY Times syndicated).

@cokato: "Cathy" and "Ziggy" comic strips still exist, at least they are in my paper (The Oregonian), though they hide "Cathy" back in the classifieds with the NY Times puzzle.

@drdad: I loved your point about Alaska being the easternmost point in the US. For the curious, see this: Semisopochnoi Island.

Equally interesting are the Diomede Islands, Little Diomede is US and the other island is Russian (they are only 4km apart and is the closest boundary between the US and Russia). Check out the photo of the two islands and how close they are here.

@carl: we ate at Mark Lindsay's Rock and Roll Cafe a couple of times and found the food good, but not exceptional. Too bad it went broke.

Crockett1947 said...

C.C., when you hear the word SKIRT, I think you bring up an image like the lovely link you posted for us. The puzzle clue was "Bypass," which is an action and thus a verb. I just surmised that you had not run across that particular usage of SKIRT, since it's not something that you hear regularly!

I see you changed the theme, but you changed it to WHERE IS my line instead of WHAT'S my line. I suggested that because it was the title of an old TV game show where a contestant tried to stump a panel of celebrities about the contestant's job (line).

C. C. said...

Crockett1947,
I love Chris Matthews and his "Hardball", so I am very familiar with "SKIRTING the issues". Sorry for the blundering on your theme. I forgot to ask you earlier why your wife does not want to be addressed as Mrs. Crockett.

Clear Ayes said...

C.C. Those sneaky heteronyms strike again...SKIRT, FAWNS, SHAM

Kazie, there is a link on the right side of C.C.'s main blog page that is "How to Add a Link to the Comments Section". Just click on it and it will direct you to another link with the instructions. Follow carefully and you will be an expert in no time. Be sure to Preview to make sure you have the all the < = " > / in all the right places. If you do it incorrectly, it will show up in red directly below "Leave your comment". If it is correct (YIPPEE!) it will show up as a Preview with your link in blue underlined. Practice makes perfect. Give it a try with your Snowy River URL.

carol said...

Good afternoon C.C.and all, I am finally finished with my tomato canning. 21 qts, 7 pints - that should last us for the season.

I liked the puzzle!! Interesting, not too hard, but made me scratch my head a bit. Only a few stumped me: ates, Nantz,42A(spydi?) and acela.

Jd, Good work on the limerick (and it was "clean" :))

Dennis, You made a cute cowboy!

I'm surprised you guys noticed the skirt (C.C.'s picture for 6D)

Carl, as Crockett pointed out, The Rock n Roll Cafe is now closed. We ate there a few times, mostly went in the first time for the "Yaw's" hamburgers. I ate those as a teenager when the Yaw's Drive-In was in existence and those hamburgers were REALLY good for the time...they were also quite pricey at 65 cents. This was also the time the cheapie burgers were entering the scene. Sort of a fore-runner of McDonald's. You could get burgers at several places for 19 cents. They weren't bad either.

Comics are a love of mine too: I do miss The Far Side and wish Gary Larson would re-consider his retirement. Some of my favorites: Dilbert, Better or Worse, Grand Avenue, Zits, Luann,Baby Blues,Pearls before Swine,Non-Sequitur,Cul de Sac, Stone Soup, Adam,Wizard of Id, and Pickles.

Clear Ayes, That is one of the cutest baby picutes on here!!

DoesItinInk said...

cocato: The movie The Ninth Gate is based on the book The Club Dumas by Arturo Perez-Reverte. I have both seen the movie and read the book. The book is by far the better of the two!

And for those of us who find Jean Reno very attractive, Arturo Perez-Reverte is somewhat easy on the eyes too!

xchefwalt said...

@cokato- which one were you, Calvin or Hobbs?

@c.c.- Thanks- all is well now.

kazie said...

Thanks clear ayes! I think I have it below here, but it's like learning another language! Read the poem at:
The Man from Snowy River

kazie said...

If you read the poem, then remember or watch the scene in the movie where they are all getting ready to go after the lost colt, you can just feel the tension building as it does in the poem. You'll recognize some of the characters as well. The poet, Andrew Barton (Banjo) Paterson, gets a cameo role as the big city lawyer who is visiting the spread. Harrison is of course the Kirk Douglas role, and Clancy, (Jack Thompson) was a legend created by Paterson in another poem "Clancy of the Overflow". Enjoy!

C. C. said...

Dennis,
I wonder if those sweet dimples have left you after all these HARD years and wild life.

Crockett1947 said...

C.C., back when we tied the knot, I said if she wanted to keep her surname, that was fine with me, so she did. Now when someone addresses her as "Mrs. Crockett" you can be certain that that person doesn't know her from Eve! And don't EVER think of spelling Jeanette with two "n's!!" That's just the way she is....

I'm not familiar with Chris Matthews, so I didn't realize that SKIRTING was something that you were regularly exposed to.

Dennis said...

Uh....the dimples from yesterday's picture?

C. C. said...

Dennis,
Whoa! Just when I think you could not sink any DEEPER. You MOREL capacities are certainly astonishing! But no, not the dimples there.

C. C. said...

Crockett,
Thank you for the answer. Jeanette sounds like a very intriguing lady.

Clear Ayes,
I am curious. Do you still sleep on your stomach? I mean, people seem to adopt the sleeping positions they have formed during their babyhoods.

Dick said...

Good afternoon cc. I just scanned thru your solution and see that I did not answer you question as to comics we read. Listed below are the ones I red daily:

Close to home
Ziggy
Real Life Adventures
Family Circus
Mother Goose and Grimm
Hi and Lois
Hagar
The Wizard of Oz
Beetle Bailey
Blondy
Nnon Sequitur
Garfield
And finally Dilbert

Carl said...

@crockett - embien - carol

The Yaws reputation was why I went when the cafe opened. I never made it to the original Yaws but I have a very dear friend who was a carhop there. She claims the burgers and the milkshakes were to DIE for.

I knew Mark and Paul very slightly from prior history but Mark didn't remember me at all when I went. Don't ya' hate it when that happens? I liked the food & the atmosphere of the cafe. Again, too bad it died.

Crockett1947 said...

@carl Yaws was not in my history -- only been here since '70. I went a few times, but was not overly impressed by the food or the service. It's a nice corner, but there is Zero parking.

That side of Sandy needs some serious help with the relocation of Trader Joe's and the closing of Hollywood Music, there's almost a full block vacant.

It will be interesting to see how the new supermarket fares in The Beverley once it opens next year.

Katherine said...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4d/Cobra-kannur-snake-park-1.jpg/180px-Cobra-kannur-snake-park-1.jpg
Just testing something here.

carol said...

Wow Katherine, sounds like you are having a wild time there!!! Ka-Bump, Ka-Bump...etc. whew. That is how you dislocate a hip!!

C. C. said...

Katherine,
A cobra! You did it!

Clear Ayes,
What did you mean by saying "sometimes a car is really a cigar?". Here is your original quote :"Car chases don't require much physical stamina, just a lot of whiz-bang excitement, close calls, near misses and then it's over. Oh oh, am I going DF here?? (Sometimes a car is really a cigar.)"

Ken @ 10:21am,
I am charmed by "The Day Is Done". Can you explain the following lines to me?

"Come, read to me some poem,
Some simple and heartfelt lay,
That shall soothe this restless feeling,
And banish the thoughts of day."

Bill said...

CC, In answer to your 8:29 question.... Born and brought up right here in central NY. Have been in the Rome area all my life except my service time. But, this was still HOME, even though I lived elsewhere.
And as for pony rides, the only place we had them were at the local fire department's field days (fund raisers that included a midway, food, games and BEER).
You paid the man a quarter and he got you on the pony and led you around a 30' circle twice! Wow! Guess it was OK, but I was always more interested in the baseball throwing games.
Comics? I like 'em all. But I really liked "For Better Or For Worse" till this week :( !

DoesItinInk said...

cc: The comment "sometimes a car is really a cigar" is a reference to a quote attributed to Sigmund Freud, the father of psychoanalysis. When asked what a cigar represents, he is said to have replied, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar", meaning not everything that is long and hard is a phallus symbol. Incidentally, there is no evidence that Freud actually said this.

DoesItinInk said...

Along the same line is a quote attributed to Groucho Marx, who smoked cigars on his television program You Bet Your Life. When he interviewed a woman who had ten children, he asked her why she had so many. To this she replied, "because I love children, and I love my husband." Groucho rejoined, "I love my cigar too, but I take it out once in a while."

Clear Ayes said...

C.C. "What did you mean by saying "sometimes a car is really a cigar?".

We've all heard cars referred to as "sexy", and maybe we've known men who become rejuvenated when they get behind the wheel of a Corvette or Porsche. It's pretty well know that expensive cars are phallic symbols. At least that is what all the ads promote.

I was joking about guys loving car chases and comparing them (the chases) to not very satisfactory intercourse.

Cigars have been called phallic symbols too. Even if Freud didn't say "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar", I hope he did. Otherwise, he was a pretty humorless old geezer.

So, I was just replacing one symbol with another.

I try not to sleep on my stomach...too many morning face wrinkles. I usually start out on my left side, but about 3 mornings a week I wake up in a stomach-down tic-tac-toe X position.

Dick said...

Didn't Bill Clinton prove that a cigar is not necessarily a cigar? It can be many things to many people.

Boomer said...

Said Boomer, Lao Gong to CC
"You won't hear a cross word from me."
If the puzzle's too hard
I'll work in the yard
And Google the answers at 3:00

Clear Ayes said...

Lao Gong? Is the lady in Boomer's photo C.C.?

Dennis said...

clear ayes, yes.

KittyB said...

I finished the puzzle with a little guessing, and help on BIL of all things. I was about to post when our internet link went down. I had trouble with the same words as the rest of the group.

So...MUCH later in the day: great limericks, jd and boomer!

Cute 'kewpie' pic, clear ayes.

Carol, I envy you the canning. We usually make a family recipe called "chili sauce" that is served with pork, but not this year. (No chilies in it....tomatoes, onions, green peppers, celery, cloves, vinegar, brown sugar...cooked all day, canned, and boiled in a water bath.) I like to do dilled green beans, too, and asked Dear Husband if he wanted homemade salsa this year.

Comics: I can't recall them all, but Shoe, Broomhilda, Hagar the Horrible, Calvin and Hobbes, Fox Trot, Get Fuzzy, Non Sequitur, Opus, For Better or For Worse. What's happening with FBOFW?? Is it the same story from a different angle or a new story?

Enough! Bed time or I'll miss tomorrow's puzzle!

JVJ24601 said...

"C.C. said...
JVJ24601,
Please come back! Don't be offended by my response to your email attachment last Thursday. I have to be very careful about emails since I receive a lot a lot every day.
August 26, 2008 8:47 AM"

C. C.,
I am still here. I was not offended. I understand what you are beware of, and I will continue to be aware of your email policy. Sorry, but with following the hurricanes near us here in SE Fla., the conventions, and the holiday weekend, I kept putting off a reply. I am more of a listener (reader) than a talker (writer/blogger) and it takes me a while to transfer my thoughts into words, so that contributed, also.
I will be reading daily, but I will probably not be posting much. I am not a morning person, so by the time I have completed the day’s c/w and come to your wonderful blog to check a letter/word or 2 that I was not sure about and to learn from and enjoy the comments, I find that all of the bases (obscure answers, questionable clues, your questions, etc.) have already been covered here.

Since I am posting now, I will contribute to 2 of your musings today that no one else has: Loveline and Darlene Love.
Loveline is something that I am familiar with in 2 contexts:
1. A crease in the palm used for palm-reading.
2. Loveline Show
This is a radio/TV show hosted by Dr. Drew Pinsky and Adam Corolla. I just linked the website, and it appears that Adam is no longer on it. It is mostly (or was? I haven’t heard or seen it in a few years) a call-in show that answers questions about sex, love, relationships, etc. It could get pretty racy.

Darlene Love
Although I was born in ’63, I’ve always loved the music of many of the 60’s girl groups. I knew that ”(Today I Met) The Boy I'm Gonna Marry” was one of their songs, but I wasn’t sure whose. Once I had DAR____L_VE, I was able to fill in the blanks. Some of my favorite Christmas music is ”A Christmas Gift for You
from Phil Spector” with Darlene Love. "Winter Wonderland” from that album shows Phil Spector’s distinctive “wall of sound” style. The other songs from the album can be sampled here: Samples

This past December, "Saturday Night Live" had a TV Funhouse that featured Darlene Love singing in the 60’s girl group style: "Christmas for the Jews"

For the Johnny Depp admiring sirens: ”He's a Rebel”

Haven’t seen the “Lethal Weapons” movies, but while looking for the song clips, I found that Darlene Love played the wife of Danny Glover in all of these movies.

Again for the Sirens and speaking of SNL, Michael Phelps is to be the host for the new season premier of SNL on 9/13.

I was surprised to find out that AES’s middle name is Ewing. That is my mother’s maiden name. Speaking of my mother, she is an avid cruciverbalist (sp?) also. Last week, I told her about the Tribune’s c/w being online and recommended your blog. Also, speaking of my mother AND peonies, she has always grown them in my home state of Ohio (yeah, I'm a Buckeye, too). My mother’s brother’s wife’s father was a big grower of peonies in Detroit and for a number of years, during Memorial Day weekend, we went to Kingwood Center for their annual Peony Show. As I recall, my uncle’s father-in-law named a hybridized peony after/for my mother. I’ll have to ask her about that. Also, we were always told that the ants were needed on the peony buds; they ate the sticky nectar(?) allowing them to open. ??

I especially like “Red and Rover”, “Mother Goose and Grimm”, “Luann”, “Rhymes with Orange”, “Baby Blues”, “Dilbert”, “Mutts”, “Non Sequitur”, and “FBOFW”, but I read all that are in my newspaper. And I too miss “Calvin and Hobbes”.
FBOFW fans: Letter from Lynn Johnston
The “Peanuts” animator and voice of Snoopy
died tonight.

I know this has become pretty lengthy, but since 100 posts have not been achieved yet, I will not feel guilty in submitting.
Hope that I did not bore you all with my ramblings.

T

JVJ24601 said...

Sorry, first time linking using HTML tags.
Correct links. ??

”(Today I Met) The Boy I'm Gonna Marry”

Phil Spector”

C. C. said...

JVJ24601,
Great to hear from you again! Please chime in anytime you feel inclined. I am interested in what you have to say.