Sep 13, 2011

Tuesday, September 13, 2011 Gail Grabowski and Bruce Venzke

Theme: Not So Fast - Four phrases that end with a verb that can mean an impediment.

20A. Shareholder's bonus : DIVIDEND CHECK

29A. Kitchen island material : BUTCHER BLOCK

46A. Wrap for leftovers : ALUMINUM FOIL

56A. Laundry convenience : CLOTHES HAMPER

Argyle here. I do like this puzzle but it has some clues I think were lifted from old puzzles and they weren't quite right then. The fact that all of the theme words have a different meaning than what they had in the phrases is nice.


1. Yawn-inspiring : BANAL

6. "Arabian Nights" birds : ROCS. They could fly off with an elephant.

10. Big name in razors : ATRA

14. Alpaca kin : LLAMA. In case you need to tell them apart. Images

15. Pop singer Brickell : EDIE. Brickell married singer-songwriter Paul Simon on May 30, 1992 and now they have three children - Adrian, Lulu and Gabriel.

16. Washerful : LOAD

17. Word on a French postcard : AVION. PAR AVION - by plane(air mail).

18. Laura of "Jurassic Park" : DERN. She portrayed Dr. Ellie Sattler, a graduate student specializing in paleobotany, which deals with plant fossils and ancient vegetation.

19. Forever, so to speak : EONS

23. Dir. from Memphis to Nashville : ENE

24. Something to grind : AXE

25. Throw easily : LOB

26. Phone bk. info : NOs. To us gearheads, NOS means Nitrous Oxide Systems, the go fast gas.

32. Spinning sound : WHIR

35. "It's a Wonderful Life" studio : RKO. Clip.(0:31)

36. Brief fisticuffs : SET TO

37. It has lots of slots : RENO

38. Invite to one's penthouse : ASK UP

41. Some necklines : VEEs. I like the pattern.

42. Macaroni shape : ELBOW

44. "I could win on my next turn!" : "UNO!". A card game favorite with kids. A player who forgets to say "uno" after his/her second-to-last card touches the discard pile and is caught by another player, they have to draw two cards.

45. Bk. before Job : ESTHer

50. __-Tiki : KON. The raft used by Norwegian explorer and writer Thor Heyerdahl in his 1947 expedition across the Pacific. His book was also so-named.

51. Wimple wearer : NUN. A wimple is a garment worn around the neck and chin, and which usually covers the head.

52. Window units, briefly : ACs. Air Conditioner.

53. Mud bath venue : SPA

60. Empty room sound : ECHO

62. Roll of fabric : BOLT

63. Garlicky sauce : AIOLI

64. In __ of: replacing : LIEU

65. Everyone, to Ernst : ALLE. German.

66. Stops bleeding : CLOTS

67. Sail support : MAST

68. Meg of "Courage Under Fire" : RYAN. "Smile when you say that, pardner". Image. From this interesting blog site, Dorothy Surrenders.

69. Have an inkling : SENSE


1. Little shaver : BLADE. Should have been clued better.

2. Troublemaking chipmunk : ALVIN. Songs, movies, TV shows.

3. Too trusting : NAIVE

4. Madame's "mine" : A MOI

5. Two-seated carriage : LANDAU

6. Jeff Foxworthy jokes about them : REDNECKS

7. Pigged out (on) : ODed. OD seems a little strong for pig out.

8. Word with sewing or traffic : CIRCLE

9. Lisbon mister : SENHOR. Portuguese

10. Actor Baldwin : ALEC

11. Created a study aid in class : TOOK NOTES

12. Was on the ballot : RAN

13. Program breaks : ADs

21. One in a crowd scene : EXTRA

22. Goes back to sea? : EBBS

27. Large wedding band : OCTET. We have had this before (Dan Naddor 3/2/2011) and it was deceptive then. Octet refers to the number of prongs holding the stone. The finger size of the ring doesn't matter. This clue/answer should be retired. Further study shows it may refer to the band at the reception. I suppose TRIO would be a small wedding band.

28. Smidge : SKOSH. Japanese.

29. Witch craft? : BROOM

30. Balderdash : HOKUM

31. Flat : LEVEL

32. Inflict, as havoc : WREAK

33. Nametag greeting : HELLO

34. How grapes grow : IN BUNCHES

39. Remove the chain from, say : UNFASTEN

40. Doggie : POOCH

43. Skid row regular : WINO

47. Crunchy snack : NUT BAR

48. Not at all sacred : UNHOLY

49. "Compromising Positions" author Susan : ISAACS. She also wrote the screen play for the film, starring Susan Sarandon.

53. Gazpacho eater's need : SPOON. Cold soup.

54. Furrier's stock : PELTS

55. Hop out of bed : ARISE

57. Boorish sort : LOUT

58. Jazzy Fitzgerald : ELLA

59. __ High City: Denver : MILE

60. Shade source : ELM

61. "The Bourne Identity" org. : CIA



Barry G. said...

Morning, all!

This one was about 95% speed run and 5% WTF??? And yes, I'm looking at you, LANDAU. It didn't help that I was looking for a metaphorical "little shaver" at 1D (tyke, tot, etc.) and not a literal one.

The other WTF spot was the clue for UNO, which I could simply not parse. It must be at least 20 years since I played the game, and I completely forgot the rules.

On a side note, I wonder whether it would be appropriate to say that somebody who wrote lyric poetry in the past ODED...

Bill said...

Good Morning,
Just wanted to say that "large wedding band" immediately brought to mind the size of the musical group.
MOST wedding bands (rings) are just that, bands. No stones or prongs to hold them.
Hey, hope everyone has been well.
CY'All Later

Anonymous said...

46 across, what happened to the i in aluminium????

Argyle said...

Hi, Bill. It's been awhile.

Your right. The engagement ring could be an octet but this clue refers to the size of the musical group. I hope I remember it next time.

Argyle said...

Aluminium is chiefly British so I guess the 'I' was lost at sea.

thehondohurricane said...

Good day folks,

I found this puzzle pretty straightforward with out delays of any kind. There were, however, a head scratcher or two. Like Argyle, I found Ode'd a bit strong for "pigging out", but I wrote it off to lingo of the 21st century.

Then my spelling weakness came into play for 32A & 40D. Doggie to me is a baby steer, doggy is a pooch. No matter which is correct, the fill was never in question. Also, for spinning sound, I thought whir should be spelled whirr. Too lazy to look 'em up.

Enjoy the day.

Lemonade714 said...

Man I ODed on chocolate chip ice cream last night. I have heard iy before, many times, and agree it is ridiculous, but it is fairly common. We have had it in puzzles 8 or 10 times, including the same clue.

I like BANAL, HOKUM, REDNECKS and IN BUNCHES, and never knew Paul Simon married Edie Brickell and preferred SKIP-Bo.

Thanks Argyle and gruce

Tinbeni said...

Argyle: Nice write-up & links.

Enjoyed the themes and agree with Barry G.'s WTF's and Hondo on the OD'ED cluing.

SKOSH for Smidge, was a learning moment.
Geez, now I have to learn Japanese?
It got another WTF? but I knew the perps were correct.

Same with SENHOR in Portuguese.
(Note to self: In order to become really good at LAT Crosswords, learn all the other languages on this rock ... by tomorrow!)

"Skid-row regular" is a WINO?
Hmmm, seems to me some of them just might enjoy beers, ales and Avatar.

Oh well, maybe I should change my "Toast at Sunset" beverage.

Cheers !!!

Hahtoolah said...

Good Morning, Argyle and friends. This was a fun and easy Tuesday puzzle. I caught on to the theme fairly quickly.

I learned about ROCS and AIOLI both from doing crossword puzzles, so these answers fell quickly into place.

The 1902 State LANDAU was recently used at William and Catherine's wedding.

Good to see you again, Bill. come back more often.

My favorite clue was Goes Back to Sea = EBBS.

QOD: Cat: a pygmy lion who loves mice, hates dogs, and patronizes human beings. ~ Oliver Herford

Anony-Mouse said...

The puzzle was very nice and a lot of fun - Thank you, very much, Gail and Bruce.

The Blog was very nice and funny - Thank you, very much, Argyle.

Alt QOD: The liberals can understand anything but people who don't understand them. ~ Lenny Bruce.


Spitzboov said...

Guten Morgen, ALLE. Nice blogging, Argyle.

Mostly a speed run, but unlike Barry, my pause came at the east center. Had BUTCHERBoard, before BLOCK kicked in. SKOSH, SET TO, OCTET, and ESTH, all crossing in one section, were more of a later in the week configuration. The rest of the theme fill was easy, and seemed related to hockey, but I didn't 'get' it until reading Argyle's intro. I liked the clueing for BROOM, BLADE, and RENO. TOOK NOTES was good, too.

Have a great day.

kazie said...

What Barry G said. And Bill.

I would spell dogie with only one 'g'.

SKOSH and SENHOR were new to me, but this puzzle flowed easily into place.

Thanks for interesting links--I always wondered about llamas and alpacas. What's your new avatar? A Halloween balloon?

Yesterday got the CW done quickly too, but then had so much to do all day, no time to come here. Hope you all had a good one. I'm trying to get things in shape for our kids' visit starting Thursday night for two weeks. Older son and d-i-l are coming then, and the younger one will be here next week too. So my attendance here might be sporadic until Oct 1.

Unknown said...

Good Morning! Hats off to Argyle.
This was an easy one. Unknowns-Rocs and Skosh.
Why are there foreign words in the crosswords? I get the common ones, but "skosh"; really? I had two years of Latin and got the AP credit for it in college, but never took another foreign language. On a good day, my addled brain has trouble with English words!
Birthday week for me. My friends and family know that my actual birthday carries a certain black cloud, so we celebrate it all week. My maternal grandmother died on my 13th birthday and ever since there have been similar bad things on the day .
Happy Tuesday to all!

Grumpy 1 said...

Good morning, all.

No problems, no complaints. I just saw trio clued as a small wedding band a few days ago in a crossword and immediately thought of the musical group at the wedding.

The theme entries came easily, i didn't try to find the common element, though. Thanks, Argyle, for 'splainin'. I chuckled at your 'lost at sea' comment.

'Little shaver' had me looking for a young person also.I finally went with the obvious since everything but the 'B' was alredy filled.

It's a good thing that 53d and 59d were obvious since I had switched the 'I' and 'O' in AIOLI.

Nice easy Tuesday from Gail and Bruce.

Lemonade714 said...

Tinman, my impression of skid row is the people sitting on the sidewalk drinking from something covered in a brown paper bag. I do not think they are buying single malt. IMO, but what do I know.

Kazie, what fun to have the family together, enjoy.

H., I like the image of cats as pygmy lions, but since you are a cat person, is that intended as a compliment?

Grumpy 1 said...

I've heard SKOSH used in the English language all my life (may be a regional thing), so I don't consider it to be a foreign word.

Spitzboov said...

SKOSH may have a foreign origin but it has been in American usage since WWII picked up by servicemen from Japan. I probably first heard it while serving on active duty and I use it frequently in my everyday speech to this day. I don't think of it as foreign anymore than I do of pajamas or molasses. JMHO.

Grumpy 1 said...

Mom Speaks Out, Happy Birthweek. My youngest granddaughter's birthday is always tough for me to celebrate as it is also the day that my first wife passed away. Since her birthday is one day away from a holiday, we usually celebrate her birthday early and I can have my day of remberance without putting a damper on her special day.

windhover said...

Lemon and Tin:
I haven't lived there, only visited, but I think (one) drink of choice on skid row is malt liquor, Colt 45, etc.

Like Grumpy, I've heard 'skosh' here enough that I was ignorant of its foreign origin.

Anony- mouse:
I would never argue with Lenny Bruce - a genius and skewer of many social constructs. And as the resident liberal, I was properly skewered by the quote. That Lenny knew of which he spoke.

HeartRx said...

Good Morning Argyle, C.C. et al.

Fun puzzle and write-up today! I also liked the fact that the ending words in the theme entries had a different meaning than when used as forms of "hold". Clever.

Lots of nice fill, as has already been mentioned. But my favorite has to be REDNECKS.

Happy birth week to Mom speaks out, and a good day to everyone else!

Lemonade714 said...

I too was unaware of the origin of SKOSH; my mother used it to describer her use of spices in cooking. Never read a cookbook in her life.

I think MD 20-20 is also popular on the row, based on my reading; but what do I know.

Yellowrocks said...

Happy birthday, MSO.

We've had SKOSH in the LAT puzzles before. My Polish MIL used to use it. I, too, heard it was from the Japanese SUKOSHI, and was brought to U.S. by the military after WWII.

We seen SENHOR here quite often.

We have a shop nearby which sells LANDAU tops for cars. I have noticed that many of our automobile associated words came from carriage words, and so I have researched many of them over the years. (Brougham, Cabriolet, Coupe, etc.) The carriage makers switched to making auto bodies when the horse drawn trade disappeared.
Link Landau

Nance said...

Quick solve for me again today, but got bogged down with the spelling of SKOSH. I had always seen it spelled SCOCHE when used in fashion (as in "a schoche more room in the shoulders,") and I thought it had French origins. I do think that "little shaver" is a bit precious of a clue for something as mundane and literal as BLADE.

Barry G.--We're all terribly lucky that Keats ODED about the Grecian urn, especially the lines
"Beauty is truth, truth beauty"---that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

Anonymous said...

Couldn't enjoy todays puzzle in the Sun Sentinel as I had alreaady done it in the Jewish Journal on Wednesday

Yellowrocks said...

Funny, when I correct student compositions, each error stands out immediately. When I proof read my own writing, I miss a lot, like WE SEEN, today, and spelling errors yesterday. I spot them the moment I publish them. How embarrassing!
I copied this to WORD to spell check it.

Clear Ayes said...

Good Morning All, I knew 15A)EDIE Brickell and 18A)Laura DERN, so I confidently thought that a "Lisbon mister" was the same as a neighboring Spaniard/SENOR. That held me up for an embarrassingly long time. I just couldn't figure out where an extra letter would come in.

After the fog cleared, the rest of the puzzle sorted out pretty easily.

My Swedish grandma used a SKOSH or this, or a SKOSH of that, whenever she was demonstrating a recipe. The word must have caught on extremely quickly after WWII. It definitely is handy.

Happy birthday week MSO.

Marge, your great grandson is a cutie.

WH@9:06, nice restraint. I know Lenny Bruce's comments on all groups were funnier, sharper and more shocking than anything any of us could come up with.

Clear Ayes said...

Yellowrocks@9:34, not to worry. I had a "We am" yesterday. I had written "I am", but I thought I should include GAH and changed it to "We". I think most of us are understanding of those kind of errors.

Jazzbumpa said...

Hi gang -

Quick in and out today. Pretty good puzzle, and slow going for a Tuesday.

Nice blogging Argyle, and I agree with all your points.

Gotta run.

JzB (another bad proofreader)

eddyB said...


I heard that Thunderbird was the wine of choice. It sells for about $0.50 a gallon.

Sallie. Read your post to late last night (midnight) to respond.
I e-mailed the whole news artical.
Thought the most interesting no-no
on the list was "NO Revealing
Clothing". Tried to imagine what that meant.


Tinbeni said...

21 again?
I'm not surprised!
Happy Birthday week. I'll "toast" you 7 times.

Windhover & Lemon:
Yeah, Colt 45 & MD-20-20
Soooo, skid-row DOES attract more than just WINO's.

Thunderbird at $0.50 a gallon?
That's the aged (5 minutes) up-grade.

Probably, in that penthouse, a few WINO's reside.
They ASK-UP to get you high ....

Your QOD are words I live by.

Now that I've read all the comments re: SKOSH
And said the word to myself, over and over, I wonder why I WTF'ed when I filled it in earlier.

Anonymous said...

Good afternoon everyone.

Nice Tuesday puzzle. I had to leave two squares empty and come here to see what I lost. SKOSH was the culprit. (And spell check doesn't like it either.)
Nice comment on on aluminium, Argyle.
Happy birthweek, Mom Speaks Out. Sounds like a good plan to me.
Eddie B. It was nice to see the whole article in my email. Thank you.
Yellowrocks, when you spot a mistake as soon as you publish, use the garbage can and reenter the way you meant it. I've done that a few times.


Anonymous said...

P.S. I wonder about the usage of the word BLOG. I thought it meant C.C.'s blog, and that the rest was either the write up or comments. I'd like to hear your ideas, since correct usage is a addiction of mine.

Lucina said...

Good day, cyber friends. Argyle, quick and funny as always especially the aluminium response.

I thought this was a fun speed run and appropos for a Tuesday.

I ECHO most of your comments about the switch in meaning to the theme words.

Really chuckled at:
witch craft, BROOM

dogie means a motherless calf
doggie or doggy means a small dog

SKOSH? I've heard it but it's not in my usage

thank you, Gail and Bruce for the entertainment today.

Happy birthday, Mom S.O.!
Have a delightful Tuesday, everyone!

dodo said...

Good morning, puzzlers,

I thought this puzzle was pretty BANAL. I did like the theme and for once recognized it. There was nothing very imaginative about the clues; pretty straightforward. I liked some of the fill: POOCH, UNHOLY,ALUMINUM FOIL, BOLT, LANDAU(I had SURREY first). I had a bit of trouble with SENHOR; i wanted a G instead of an 'H', but H finally won. WREAK is a nice one, too. Did we discuss that a few weeks ago?

I was pretty sure about ALLE, although I have seen it with an S at the end. What's the distinction there, Kazie?

Gotta go! More later maybe,

Oh, thanks, Argyle, for a good workup.

eddyB said...

From the something new every day

Didn't know Thunderbird ever saw the inside of an oak barrel. Even
for 5 minutes.

Learned about a skosh of this or that from my German grandma. Used it the other day when I made tarragon/lemon chicken. A skosh is roughly equal to a pinch, dash or dab.

It's a good thing as Martha would
say that the Raiders have a 60 yd
field goal kicker. 23 to 20 is too close.

Race this week from Japan is on Sun. We will see it on Sat.


Avg Joe said...

Some days are like "Groundhog Day". We had Skosh a few months back, and most of the same conversation took place then.

Since both Paul Simon and Lenny Bruce have come up today, I've gotta post A Simple Desultory Philippic. Lenny gets mentioned at about :54. Then near the end, listen carefully and you'll hear a clunk...not missing a beat Paul sings: "I've lost my harmonica Albert". :-)

Bill G. said...

Here are a couple of puzzles from my recent column, Mind Games. One involves some math, the others don't.

Riders on a small Ferris wheel travel in a circle in the vertical plane. The wheel has a radius of 20 yards and revolves at the constant rate of one revolution per minute. How many seconds does it take a rider to travel from the bottom of the wheel to a point 10 vertical yards above the bottom?

Here are a couple of new word puzzles from my friend, Shawn Kennedy.

A familiar two-word phrase is disguised in SIMKL. Unscramble the first group of letters without the last letter and then the last group of letters without the first. The two words differ by one letter. What's the two-word phrase? Here’s another. Follow the same instructions for POTHOS.

A different puzzle. Drop one letter from the first clue and another letter from the second clue to get a celebrity. If the first clue was “a decider” and the second was “a talon”, what is the answer? (A youngish movie star.) A second version of this kind of puzzle is “a particular emoticon” and “a country containing Nicosia.”

kazie said...

Bill G,
SKIM MILK is the first one.

ALLE means all, ALLES means everything--it's the singular form in the neuter gender. All adjectives change endings depending on the noun they qualify, so it also exists as ALLER, ALLEM, ALLEN, with different case endings. It is actually a pronoun in the two first examples you asked about.

Spitzboov said...

Bill G. - 1/6 of 1 min. or 10 seconds.

Anonymous said...

photo shoot

Spitzboov said...


Abejo said...

Bill G. 7.5 seconds.


Abejo said...

Good Afternoon, folks. Thank you Gail and Bruce for a swell Tuesday puzzle (except for the foreign words). Thank you, Argyle, for a great write-up, as always.

Got through this pretty easily. The theme answers helped me get through it faster.

LANDAU was easy once I had the AU.

Did not know AIOLI. Got it with perps. However, it does sound good. I love garlic.

Had UNFETTER before UNFASTEN became obvious.

Got SKOSH. Not sure of the correct spelling. I learned that word as a teenager 50 years ago. My memories of that word are " An _ _ _ is the smallest thing known to man, and a SKOSH is a little bit smaller."

See you tomorrow.


Husker Gary said...

Gail and Bruce, what a wonderful puzzle with clever big fills and fun cluing! Thanks!

-Loved Witch Craft,
-It ALUMINUM foil but almost everyone I know calls it TIN foil which hasn’t been around for years! -Jurassic Park is so great on so many levels!
-That ENE trip from Memphis to Nashville on I40 has trees on both sides and so there is not much to see. In Nebraska, I80 has vistas of open fields.
-Wimples abound in the Lincoln, NE diocese but not on this side of the Platte in the Omaha diocese
-Deutschland Uber ALLES?
-I hate taking notes and gave precious few notes in 42 years of teaching! They don’t work for us visual, auditory, tactile learners and there are better methods!
-EXTRAS are also Villagers and Spear Carriers
-I’ve heard many requests for just a SKOSH more
-Here are my musical heroes singing a wonderful song about something that Whirs

HeartRx said...

Bill G., I agree with Spitzboov - 10 seconds. Although, I had to actually sit down and do the equations. He probably just got it through intuition!

Avg Joe said...

And I agree with Abejo: 7.5 seconds.

Unknown said...

Thanks to all for the birthday week wishes.
I forgot to add earlier that the directions from Memphis to Nashville are a straight I40 shot and the most boring part of any trip on that highway. I know this because I travel it many times a year.
I will try using skosh now that I get the meaning! I'll have a little skosh of cake with some bubbly to wash it down, please!

Anonymous said...

Mom speaks out, it would be more like, "I'll have a skosh piece of cake, please".

Bill G. said...

I'd say, "Would you please add a skosh more sugar to the cookie batter."

I agree with Spitz and HeartRx, 10 seconds.

Off for a bike ride on the mostly deserted for the winter bike path. I like it though I miss the pretty girls in their bikinis.

Jayce said...

Hello everybody. Fun puzzle today. Some cool fill, such as REDNECKS, LANDAU, and HOKUM. The clue "Witch craft?" made me smile when I solved BROOM. When I got CHECK and BLOCK I thought the theme had something to do with words ending with vowelCK, so I was looking for a way to fill ICK, ACK, and UCK. Nope, that wasn't it.

Didn't know whether it would be SURREY, HANSOM, or LANDAU at first.

Argyle, thanks for your writeup.

LaLaLinda said...

Hi All ~~

A fun puzzle today! Thanks for the informative write-up, Argyle.

~~ I don't ever remember seeing SENHOR before. Portuguese, huh? ... and my grandfather was born in Portugal.

~~ I remember SKOSH from a TV commercial for men's jeans ... "just a skosh more room" is what I think was said. That was many moons ago.

~~ Favorites were HOKUM, WHIR and SKOSH.

It's a gorgeous day ... crisp autumn temps later this week ~~

Enjoy the day!

Jayce said...

I think I've heard "blog" used as a verb. "Hey, I'm blogging" = I'm writing in my blog, or posting to a blog.

I think the ferris wheel answer is 10 seconds, but I'm having a hard time proving it to myself.

Husker Gary said...

Ht = 20 – 20Cosϑ
Ht = 20(1 - Cosϑ)
10 = 20(1 - Cosϑ)
1 – Cos ϑ = 10/20
1 – Cosϑ = .5
-Cosϑ = -.5
Cosϑ = .5
ϑ = 60 degrees or 1/6 of a circle
@ 1 RPM it would take the Ferris wheel 60/6 or 10 sec to get 10 yards high

Chickie said...

Hola Everyone, For me, this was a much easier puzzle than yesterday. I had only one real hangup and that was the spelling of Senhor. I'm not familiar with the Portuguese language, though I know that it has some similiar words to Spanish.

Thank you Argyle for another educational writeup. I didn't know that Skosh was Japanese. Who knew? I've used skosh for many years. I thought perhaps it was English slang.

Yes, Barry, Oded could be used--but sparingly!

HBDay week to Mom Speaks Out.

Busy day today. Have a great evening everyone.

Tinbeni said...

Hmmm, a RADIUS of 20 yards.

Bottom = 0 yds
Top = 40 yds
Ergo, 8 sections:

Going up ...
0 to 10 yds
10 to 20 yds (at the Radius, 90 degrees)
20 to 30 yds
30 to 40 yds (wave to those below, 30 sec.gone, 180 degrees)

Going down ...
40 to 30 yds
30 to 20 yds (back to the Radius, 270 degrees)
20 to 10 yds
10 to 0 yds ... back to the bottom, 1 minute

I agree with Abejo & Avg.Joe
7.5 seconds

Grumpy 1 said...

Husker Gary, i agree with your calculations: 1/6 revolution to get to a point that is 1/4 of the total height of the wheel, therefore 10 seconds.

Grumpy 1 said...

To the ones that are going for 7.5 seconds, it isn't as simple as dividing the circle into 8 parts. If you draw the circle and draw a horizontal line 1/4 of the way up, you will see that when starting at the bottom you move sideways more than you move vertical for the first part of the revolution. Moving the same vertical distance again, you will move more vertically and less horizontally. I'm sticking with ten seconds.

Spitzboov said...

Heart Rx @ 2:24. I resemble that remark. While I did do most of it with a mental picture, I was mindful that we have a right triangle with 10 yds as the base and a hypotenuse of 20 yds. Ergo we have a cosine of .5 which means a 60º interior angle. 60º is 1/6 of a revolution or 10 secs.

For all you Stilton cheese lovers out there, BH mad for supper today a Stilton cauliflower soup. Herewith the recipe.
She has made it before, but as before, it was very good. I'm drooling on the keys as I write this.

Jayce said...

Thanks for the cosine information. Don't know why I was having so much trouble with it, but your comments cleared it up.

Now all we need is a nice song, maybe by Tom Lehrer, about the hypotenuse or something :)

Husker Gary said...

Rats, I missed a very rare chance to add QED to my proof!

Great blogging by everyone, especially Grumpy's narrative on this nonlinear problem.

fermatprime said...

Hello All,

Still here, after a fashion. Still waiting for new computer with Snow Leopard, from different place (that charges tax, ugh). Hurt left hand rather badly (the one that's not paralyzed). Swimming partner still suffering from leg gash, but now irrelevant, as she is going to PA for 10 days.

Nice puzzle, G and B. Great write-up, A.

HBTY mso. Bye for now!

Abejo said...


This has turned into quite an interesting discussion.

Tinbeni had a great depiction of the scenario.

However, instead of winging it like I did on my initial answer, I just drew it out on a piece of paper.

I am afraid that 10 seconds is the correct answer. I humbly defer to the 10-second crowd.

On the paper it takes 1/3 of the distance of the vertical arc to go 1/4 up the vertical axis, or 10 yards vertically. The next 1/3 arc covers the next half of the vertical axis, or 20 yards vertically. The last 1/3 of the vertical arc finishes the last 1/4 of the vertical axis, or the last 10 yards. Then it does the same thing going down the other side.

Thank you all for chipping in, especially those that supported my initial "thoughtless" answer. Congratulations to all you mathematicians.


Avg Joe said...

I will readily defer to the consensus that time is 10 seconds. Sounds good enuf to me.

But I won't pass on an opportunity to link a fine tune when it arises, even though is was only inadvertently mentioned.

Snow Leopard

Bill G. said...

I had just tutored a student this afternoon in trigonometry. Then I remembered that the local Coffee Bean store was having a $1 special on fall-flavored lattes. So Barbara and I each got a pumpkin pie latte. Very tasty though you had to imagine the relationship to real coffee.

Then I saw a girl at the same table with some books out with the same diagrams as the recent tutoree. So I inquired and she was also taking trig and knew my student I had just finished helping. After a few minutes she asked me if I would mind helping her with a question. So I did.

Bill G. said...

I have a good diagram of the ferris wheel problem that will be in my column next week. If that would be helpful, e-mail me and I'll attach it to the reply.

Hahtoolah said...

Happy Birthday MSO. I know how bittersweet your birthday may be. My grandmother died 8 years ago on my mother's birthday.

Bill G. said...

Here's a gallery of beautiful recent photos of auroras. Click on each photo to make it full size.

Tinbeni said...

Yup, I agree 10 seconds.

Earlier I must have been stuck ...
inside the box (that I wasn't thinking outside of ...).

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