, pub-2774194725043577, DIRECT, f08c47fec0942fa0 L.A.Times Crossword Corner: Wednesday April 14, 2010 Gary Steinmehl


Apr 14, 2010

Wednesday April 14, 2010 Gary Steinmehl

Theme: SOAP (68A. This puzzle's theme) - The end of each theme answer is a brand of soap.

16A. Ingredient in some glazed chicken wings: ORANGE ZEST. Needs a bit of honey too.

30A. Dashboard tuner: RADIO DIAL

37A. 1982 McCartney/Wonder hit: EBONY AND IVORY. Here is a clip.

44A. It became Ghana in 1957: GOLD COAST. I only know Ivory Coast. Dennis uses Coast, I think.

62A. One of two in a Christmas song: TURTLE DOVE. "The Twelve Days of Christmas".

Nice theme, simple & clean! As the norm with most of the "unifier" puzzles, all of the above soap brands come out of a non-soap context phrases.

I love Olay and Lux brands, can't think of a similar way to phrase them though. What other soap brands are missing?

We also have BATH (67A. Bad thing to take in Vegas?), though clued as financial loss "Take a bath". I penned in ODDS.


1. Talk back to: SASS. Normally the right or down edge word.

5. Super Bowl XXXIV winners: RAMS. St Louis Rams, 2000.

9. Dance move: STEP

13. Super stars?: NOVAE. Have seen this clue before. Still like it.

14. Singer Brickell: EDIE

15. Land of the Incas: PERU

18. Bring in: REAP

19. Land a plane: SET DOWN

20. Charlie of "Two and a Half Men": SHEEN. Rich always gives us either a given name or a surname in the clues for Wednesday puzzles.

22. Morales of "Jericho": ESAI. Only know him as Tony from the "NYPD Blues".

23. Classified letters: EOE (Equal-Opportunity Employer)

25. Ming things: VASES. Ming Vases. Rhyme.

28. Throat problem: STREP

33. Hood's "piece": GAT. Slang for gun.

35. Drum effect: ROLL. Wrote down ECHO.

36. That, in Toledo: ESO. Alliteration.

41. Carte lead-in: A LA. A la carte.

42. Sanctuary section: APSE. Alliteration.

43. Elongated swimmer: EEL. Long indeed. Nice new clue.

47. American revolutionary who recruited Lafayette: DEANE (Silas). His name rang a faint bell. American's first foreign diplomat.

51. Conductor Previn: ANDRE

52. Rice or Curry: TIM. Fell into the ANN trap.

54. War deity: ARES. Greek god of War.

55. Chicago Eight defendant Bobby: SEALE. No idea. He co-founded the Black Panthers.

58. Gold diggers?: PANNERS. Great clue.

60. "NFL Live" airer: ESPN

64. Political group: BLOC

65. Bond's first movie foe: DR. NO

66. Fax predecessor: TELEX. I first saw a fax machine in 1994. Thought it was a miracle thing.

69. Ladies in Mex.: SRAS


1. Hurting the most: SOREST

2. 2009 film set in 2154: AVATAR. Several regulars on our blog have seen this movie.

3. City known for its zoo: SAN DIEGO

4. Bell-shaped lily: SEGO. Sego lily.

5. Nine Inch Nails founder Trent __: REZNOR. This dude stumped me last time. Again today. Lethologica!

6. Punch cousin: ADE

7. Overlook: MISS

8. Father of Enos: SETH

9. Large ranch, say: SPREAD. Oh, well, I suppose you can clue RANCH as "Large spread" too, though Dennis might come up with a different answer.

10. More minuscule: TEENSIER

11. Significant time: ERA

12. Litter yipper: PUP. Man, I have difficulty pronouncing the clue. You?

13. They're rubbed in Eskimo kissing: NOSES. Lovely clue.

17. Lea lady: EWE. Nice alliteration also.

21. Slowly developed: EVOLVED

24. Heartfelt: EARNEST

27. __-mo replay: SLO

29. It'll cure anything: PANACEA. Wish it were true.

31. Pentagon tenant, briefly: DOD (Department of Defense)

32. "Would __?": I LIE

34. Secretary's slip: TYPO. Another alliteration.

37. Tar Heel State university: ELON. In Elon, North Carolina. I can never remember it.

38. Comb-over target: BALD SPOT

39. Big-house link: AS A

40. Poisonous ornamental: OLEANDER

41. Ottoman VIP: AGA. So are BEY and PASHA.

45. Soak: DRENCH

46. Of the highest quality: TIPTOP

48. Ring of color: AREOLA. Ah, here you are again. JD, is your lily still blooming?

49. Reason for shaking hands?: NERVES. Your hands are shaking because you are nervous?

50. Devereux's earldom: ESSEX. Easy guess. Don't know who Devereux is.

53. Prefix with content: MAL. Malcontent.

56. 1960s-'80s Fords: LTDS

59. Circus safety features: NETS

60. Go out: EBB. Good clue too.

61. Gp. that kidnapped Patty Hearst: SLA (Symbionese Liberation Army). Any other way to clue SLA besides the Patty Hearst connection?

63. Genetic initials: RNA

Answer grid.



Hahtoolah said...

Good Morning, CC and all. A good puzzle. I didn't get the theme, however, until I actually filled in SOAP and that was one of my last fills. It was only then when I figured how ZEST, DIAL, IVORY, etc. were connected. I feel better when I catch the theme before coming to the clue.

My favorite clues today were:
A bad thing to take in Vegas? = BATH
Secretary's Slip = TYPO

I immediately thought of Tim when I saw the clue for Rice of Curry. I had to stop and think about the Anns's when I read your commentary, CC!

QOD: Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball.

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

I just realized it's Anne Rice, not Ann Rice. Anyhow, I loved the "Rice or Curry" clue. Rice with curried chicken/potato is a very popular dish in Guangzhou. I totally agree with your QOD on baseball.

I've been snipping my chives for a couple of weeks now. My roses are coming back too. I would have bought shoes. How is your finger?

Sorry I misunderstood you about the clue questions. Thought you really wanted to know the source.

Bob said...

Got them all OK in 17 minutes. Last bit to be completed was North area. Didn't know several of them (Reznor, Edie)and had to rely on surrounding fills.

Argyle said...

Subaqueous extrusion of molten rock: pillow lava

Good Morning,
Too much of a stretch?

tfrank said...

Good morning, C.C. and pals,

I needed some head scratching this morning with this fun puzzle. 26 with no searches, and some dredging up of names long buried in the memory banks, such as SLA and Seale, and a WAG here and there. I agree with C.C. and Hahtool on best clues.

After I finished, I forgot to look for the theme and came here. I would like to think I would have sussed it out had I tried.

Re Hahtoool's QOD, I have never understood folks' love for the game. I don't have the patience. I suspect it was a much faster game before TV, which prompted all the posing at the plate, adjusting gloves, stepping in and out of the box, etc. I did not grow up near a major league city, so I never saw any games until I was an adult. I played some in school, but was not very good at it.

Hope you all have a great day.

Lemonade714 said...

Good morning:

Another enjoyable puzzle, made much more fun by the eclectic knowledge of the 73 year old creator; while some may complain about the proper names, they are all knowable, and who would expect him to know such as EDIE BRICKELL , or NINE INCH NAILS . And then add an old historical reference to DEVEREAUX . I hope my mind is as curious at 73.

Hahtool, you beat me to the Rocky Horror link, loved it!

Go celebrate Odin’s day

Hahtoolah said...

Tfrank: My grandfather taught me the love of baseball. He was a Rex Sox fan back in the teens and 20's. I later lived a block or two from Fenway park and went to as many games as I could afford. In the 80s bleacher seats were $2 and $3, so I could attend quite a few games. Unfortunately, there is no major league team in southern LA, so I don't follow my team as much. My mom, however, calls me after many of the Bosox games to keep me updated.

Lemonade: I love Rocky Horror. When I lived in Boston, one of the theaters showed the movie every Friday and Saturday night at midnight. It was an interactive show, if you know what I mean.

Barry G. said...

Morning, all!

I started doing the acrosses with 1A and pretty much went nonstop until I hit 47A (DEANE), at which point I foundered a bit. I did have to glace at the perps to get ORANGEZEST, but even then that was just to confirm my guess. Even with the slowdown caused by DEANE/OLEANDER/ESSEX, though, I still managed a Monday time. It helped, of course, that I knew who both ANDRE Previn and Bobby SEALE were.

Overall, a nice and smooth puzzle. A couple of minor quibbles (as usual):

1. I always thought that ZEST was specifically marketed as not being a soap. It's a "cleanser" that doesn't leave the same residue as soap does. Or something like that.

2. Can we please, please, PLEASE ban the use of ADE as a stand-alone word instead of a suffix? Outside of crossword puzzles, has anybody ever seen or used it to mean anything?

Barry G. said...

Well, it looks like I'm living in the past. A quick trip to Wikipedia confirms that "Early commercials stated that Zest is not a soap, because it does not leave the sticky film that soap does." However, the article goes on to say:

In 2007, in a seeming about-face of their 'no soap film' policy, Procter & Gamble discontinued the old product and re-assigned the trademark to a soap bar with a size reduced by 11% (from 4.5 to 4.0 ounces), a new bar shape, and new, more intense fragrance. The brand was further diluted by the introduction of bottled liquid Zest. A recent perusal of their support site yielded the following claim: "Zest Linen Fresh, Tropical Fresh and Tangerine Mango Twist are no longer made with synthetic ingredients. They’re 100% soap and have a new “surf” shape."

Live and learn...

Spitzboov said...

Good morning C.C. and all. Thanks for doing the interview with Gary. Very interesting.

Moderate difficulty today. Missed EOE. Got EBONY AND IVORY and DEANE from the perps. Got the theme word near the end. Had trouble with TIPTOP but finally saw PANNERS and was able to finish w/o Mr. G. Liked 'big-house link' : ASA clue.

Background on TURTLE DOVE

Enjoy the day.

Andrea said...

Good morning all -

Enjoyable puzzle today. I stumbled a bit in the SW because I had BALD HEAD instead of BALD SPOT, but eventually got it all sorted out. DEANE and SEALE were unknowns, and I also wanted ANN until TIM revealed itself.

Had to chuckle that CC knows what kind of soap Dennis uses. You know you're good friends when you know (and remember) that kind of stuff! I use Dove.

Nine Inch Nails clue was a gimme for me. A good friend of mine is a HUGE fan, and has met Trent Reznor a number of times.

My favorite clue was Eskimo kissing NOSES - one of my favorite things to do with Zoe, especially when I check on her after she's fallen asleep.

Barry, interesting update on Zest. We used Zest growing up, so I remember it for the no film benefit - it seemed surprising at first that they would walk away from that. But with the explosion in fragrance/aromas in personal care and other categories, it makes sense, especially with a name like Zest. A nice example of keeping something that's been around a long time new and fresh. Although who knows if it's selling as well...

And now that I'm in marketing mode, time to get to work.

Enjoy the day!

Anonymous said...

How do you know about Dennis' soap choice, CC?

Anonymous said...

Long Caress? I use Zest.

fermatprime said...

Hi all,
Fun puzzle. Great interview. Gary is very talented.
Did anyone else end up owing A LOT of back taxes? Complicated by mistake by Sun America which it will now take some time to fix. Am going to have to give up many things more in future in order to keep my house.
Has anyone switched from DirectTV to Dish and is actually happy with this?

Anonymous said...

Great interview. Loved the theme. Didn't quite finish the SE corner on my own. I too was thinking ANN vs TIM.

Hahtool, I too like the QOD. Love the game.

tFrank, I suspect it has always been a long game. I watch my high school boys play, and it just takes time. There is a lot of mental strategy and toughness that goes along with the game. If it goes fast, it is because it is a pitching duel with very little action. So I guess you can take your pick on the timing. However, have you ever watched the last 2 minutes of a close basketball game? It can easily take half an hour of fouls and free throws and all that other stuff.

kazie said...

Well, after commenting on the interview, I've discoveered 4 more proper noun references/clues/answers, making a total of 26. I had overlooked some more familiar ones. What made the center north difficult was the intersection of five of them, four of which I didn't know. (All except SHEEN). However, I did guess my way to completion without looking anything up, and actually got the theme finally after SOAP was revealed. I really didn't catch onto EOE though, having misspelled REZNER.

Also didn't think of LTDS/DR NO--I was never interested in such huge yank tanks. I had GTOS, but now I'm remembering they were Pontiacs.

I really enjoyed seeing McCartney and Wonder in that link. Nice to remember we were all younger (thinner/less wrinkly) once too.

Actually, Steinmehl could mean "stone (ground) flour", since German often makes one word of things related in that way: flour made by a stone.

kazie said...

Congrats on your decision! I just went back to read the last from last night. Just be sure not to get splashed if you're cooking in your crimson pot with only the crimson shoes on!

That's rotten luck. Hopefully your accountant is responsible rather than you!

I was wondering why there were so few comments yesterday. Now I know: everyone was finishing up their taxes! DH is a financial planner and he said this morning many clients have being frantically trying to pull things together over the last week or so. He took a couple of months with ours, and we still only got done last week.

Spitzboov said...

Kazie said: Actually, Steinmehl could mean "stone (ground) flour", since German often makes one word of things related in that way: flour made by a stone.

I agree. I only said what I did at the time to (a) provoke a little discussion, and to (b) point out that there was such a thing as stone/rock flour to those who may not be into glaciology or other erosional processes.

tfrank said...


Good point. I like basketball even less than baseball. Posing, stalling, and delaying is also a problem in golf, but the PGA has established a system to discourage slow play. I guess if you like continuous action, ice hockey is the game of choice.

Jeannie said...

Too many names in this puzzle for my taste. Out of Esai, Edi, Sheen, Deane, Andre, Seale and Renzor the only ones I typed in confidently were Sheen and Renzor. The others were either WAG’s or filled in with the perps. I did like the soap theme though. The only other soaps I can think of are Irish Spring and Lava. Gat for gun is a new word for me today. I have never heard it called that.

C.C., the finger is better. I think it was all the keying I had to do for the foodshow. I can actually make a fist now. We are enjoying some nice spring-time temperatures here. Everyone enjoy your day.

What word can be written forward, backward, or upside down and still be read from left to right?

Warren said...

Hi C.C. & gang, My wife and I finished today's puzzle without any problems and I agree the best clue answers were BATH & TYPO.

What word can be written forward, backward, or upside down and still be read from left to right?

Here are 3 from wiki:


kazie said...

What word can be written forward, backward, or upside down and still be read from left to right?

I think only those whose letters read the same in all four directions: NOON and I.

Jazzbumpa said...

Hi gang -

I'm B-A-A-A-A-CK from the grand tour of FLA. Well, Vero Beach, Disney World and then Midway on the Gulf Coast. Lots of room to roam there. Will post pictures some day. The drive home was just about 1000 miles

Fun Puzzle today. I had RAMS and ORANGE ZEST but still messed up that area, not knowing REZNOR, having AMIE for EDIE, and not wanting to believe that ADE would show up in an otherwise fine puzzle (though I had no idea what AME might mean, and am less than delighted with TEENSIER.) Also fell into the ANN trap, but the perps led me back to reality.

Aren't PANNERS and diggers involved in fundamentally different activities?

Stopped off in Toledo just yesterday.

Always appreciate revisiting the "ring of color," though I'm never certain about the spelling.

Grass needs its first cutting. Would have done it a few days ago, had I been home. Lots to catch up on. Rehearsals tonight and tomorrow.

Wings open the playoffs on the road for the first time in decades. Ten O'clock start, our time.

Hope everyone is well.

JzB the happy to be home trombonist

Clear Ayes said...

Good Morning All, Some great walks down memory lane this morning with all the names.

The only one that didn't come to mind immediately was 47A DEANE. But considering I had no memory lane for that guy, I gave myself a pass.

My grandson is a Nine Inch Nails fan, so I've heard a lot about Trent REZNOR.

I have an EDIE Brickell CD, as well as "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" on DVD. I've loved TIM Curry since the first time I saw it. Yes, I can still dance "The Time Warp". :o)

Bobby SEALE and SLA were gimmes. We were all glued to the TV for coverage of the Eight, and then Chicago Seven. At the time of the SLA shootout in Los Angeles, we were living in neighboring West Covina, so it felt very close by. It was all covered live on TV...very scary and shocking.

I thought the theme was very clever and liked the way 67A BATH led right into 68A SOAP.

Jeannie, good choice, we'll expect a couple of new soup and stew recipes after you try out your new Creuset pot.

Sorry to hear about your financial woes, Fermatprime. I hope the setback doesn't last too long. We've stuck with DirecTV. Dish is the only other choice around here (no cable) and most people prefer DirectTV.

Welcome back, Jazzbumpa.

Anonymous said...

58 across, poor clue, as "panners" did not dig, but scraped river gravel into their pans and then swirled them around with water to remove the fine sand, leaving the gold dust behind.

Clear Ayes said...

Jazz, I thought the same thing about "Gold diggers" and PANNERS, although you do have to shovel/scoop some dirt or gravel at a stream bed, so you have something to pan. We have lots of panners in our area (Mother Lode country), after the heavy rain we have had. Seasonal streams still carry gold down from "them thar hills".

I mentioned this poem yesterday. It contains the line “In Nature’s diadem”. There isn’t much about the poet, except she was probably from Rhode Island and wrote poems and lyrics to hymns.


Frail, wind-shaken floweret,
Dear, little woodland gem!
Like pearl, or tinted opal
In Nature's diadem,
Before the air is fragrant
With Spring's warm, spicy breath,
While still her footsteps linger,
You wake from sleep-like death.
You wake, then stir and shiver
Within your cold, dark bed—
" 'Tis time to rise," you whisper,
"To life and light o'erhead

Elizabeth F. Blanding

Annette said...

Another soap brand: IRISH SPRING Maybe WINDHOVER can come up with a good clue for that one...

I've been using a nice lavender-scented soap for a few years now called Yardley London.

Jeannie: I'll keep my fingers crossed that they'll come to their senses and send you to BK corporate HQ so we can have a nice, fun visit! When I joined the blog and heard you worked with BK, I wondered if you ever came down for meetings.

The heck with remembering rare crosswordese, my goal is to get the word LETHOLOGICA into my usable vocabulary! Of course, even if I do, I won't remember it at the appropriate times - but at least I'll finally be able to tell my audience there's a word for my very persistent and frustrating problem! :-)

Spitzboov said...

Anon @10:58am said "panners" did not dig, but scraped river gravel into their pans and then swirled them around with water to remove the fine sand, leaving the gold dust behind.

I'm with CA. If you don't have a shovel or spade to help loosen the stream sediment you're going to dent and bend the pan up pretty quick. Using a shovel constitutes "digging".

JazzB welcome back. we were abpout to send out a cryptic message, 'Where is JB, the world wonders"

Flashéd all their sabers bare,
Flashéd as they turned in air,
Sab'ring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.

Now, where are Lois and Buckeye?

JD said...

Good morning CC and all,

gold diggers? great clue! One does not have to "dig" literally to be a gold digger.Look at Paul Mc Cartney's ex.BTW, I'm a great "panner", CA.Tried it many times in Alaska.

Many names today I was not sure of, but the perps and WAGS took care of them.Andre Previn was married to Mia Farrow for awhile; she was grade below me in school.I think there were 8 little Farrows, not unusual for that time.

Clever theme, but never got it.I was thinking hues. Loved the bath clue.

Oleanders are abundant here in CA. They are drought resistant, and are planted as freeway medians.
and yes CC, my lilies are still in full bloom :)

JzB, so glad we are not playing your Red Wings tonight. Sharks VS AVS @7:30.We missed you.

My daughter's dog has ear infections..have to run over there to give him his meds.


john28man said...

If a material has detergency carachteristics and is not a soap, which is made from fats or oils and reacted with something like lye NaOH or KOH then it is a detergent. Such detergents are made from petroleum products and depending on whether they react lye or an acid determines whether they are cationic or anionic dtergents. I don't which Zest was but my SWAG is it was anionic.

Frenchie said...

@CA, Elizabeth F. Blanding's poem, "TO THE ANEMONE," is beautiful...very sensitive. I find it such a coincidence that, 'In Nature's diadem' is used by different poets. As they say, great minds think alike...what do you think CA?

I'll write more later...I am exhausted having completed by second night all alone. (yawn)

I'm out.

Lucina said...

Good day, C.C. and fellow bloggers.

This was a good, clean spring xwd, what with sego lilies, vase and then bath soap; I really liked that they followed one another.

My mother liked Lux soap and used it all her life; I used Caress bar soap for a long time, but now I enjoy it in liquid gel form.

Mechanics seem to like Lava soap.

No problems encountered, except I had "top" instead of "tip" and so resulted in "Tom", slap on the side when it revealed itself.

What a great interview, C.C. Gary Steinmehl, another musician puzzler, is inspiring for my age group especially. Thanks.

Congratulations on your practical purchase; you will likely enjoy it for much longer than the others however lovely and glamorous. Can't wait for the recipes!

My daughter taught me to appreciate Rocky Horror. She and I would often watch together.

As for the "diggers" vs. "panners", I like the play on words, so first took it as a social gold digger, then a miner and I agree, a shovel is still required to pan.

So sorry about your tax woes; I, too, hope it's resolved in your favor. I have Directtv and like it; don't know anyone who has Dish.

Good info about zest.

You all have a wild and wacky Wednesday (I love Steve Martin)!

Gunghy said...

Actually many of the 49ers dug into the hills and carried their materials to the water to sluice or pan. You can still see the holes near some of the mountain streams.

Check your next bar of soap. Does it say soap or cleansing bar? The dial I've used since childhood went to cleansing bar several years back. I suspect that was when they changed to a detergent base.

I haven't liked oleanders since we lost most of a litter of puppies when I was a teen. They used a bush to chew when teething. Sure made the clue easy, though.

I'm of an age where Dr. No, Seale, and Andre all were gimmes, but strangely never saw RHPS. And Reznor was 100 percent perps to a country fan.

Loved the QOD: Go Giants!!

ARBAON said...

In honor of the theme today, here`s my own little soap opera:

Once upon a time, Calgon took me away to the Ivory Coast. The caress of the wind was as sweet and soft as an irish spring. Soaking up rays on the beach and watching the tide roll in with dawn was all the brochure said it would be.
I was sweet-talked by a stranger who had little to gain but a night of watching the cascade of stars. The stranger asked if I wanted to dial room service and I answered, "Of course, my fair-haired dove. You have brought me back to life, bouy!" He replied, 'I know just how that fels, Naptha!"

Warren said...

Hi Jeannie, please feel free to post your recipe for Turkey Tetrazzini, (wiki says it has 2 z's?)


carol said...

Hi all -

This was very easy for me with the exception of the upper center...5A and 6D were complete unknowns and I put ADZ in for 6D so that ruined that whole 'square' for some time. I finally realized that the cousin of punch that they wanted was a liquid. As Barry G pointed out, only in a crossword would one see ADE. "I think I'll have a glass of ade"...WTH???

I also took 7D to mean a cliff or overlook... I think I need to get my V-8 can out again.

The rest of the puzzle went very well and seemed more like a Tuesday.

Dennis, Buckeye and Lois - you are missed!

JazzB: glad you are back and that you had fun! Sounds like a great trip.

Jeannie: I wish you could have been included in the Florida trip, you certainly deserved it. Flaunt that pair of red shoes with a sexy, clingy dress.

eddyB said...

Always thought that Steinmehl meant
some one who ground flour. Ancestors may have owned or operated a flour mill.

WW would work as a double consonant
in coded messages.


Jeannie said...

Turkey Tetrazzini

12 oz spaghetti or linguini cooked al dente’
1 package of mushrooms sliced (any will do)
1 small onion chopped
½ cup of butter
¼ cup of flour
1 ½ cups of milk
¼ cup of cream
2 cups of chicken broth
¼ cup sherry or white wine
3 cups coarsely chopped turkey or chicken
1 cup froz peas
2/3 cup grated fresh parmesan
1/3 cup shredded swiss
1/3 cup bread crumbs
Ground nutmeg, salt and pepper to taste

In small frying pan brown the mushrooms and onions in ¼ cup of butter set aside
In a large pot whisk the flour and ¼ cup of butter together to make a roué, slowly whisk in the milk, cream, chicken broth and wine and simmer until the sauce starts to thicken. Fold in 1/3 cup of the parmesan and the swiss cheese. Add the chicken, onions, mushrooms, pasta and peas and combine together with the pasta.

In a small bowl mix together the bread crumbs with 1/3 cup of parmesan.
Pour the tetrazzini in a buttered casserole dish and sprinkle on the bread crumb mixture and dot the top with butter.

Bake at 375 degrees for about 30 to 40 minutes until bubbly.

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

Anonymous @8:18am,
Dennis mentioned once that he likes the Coast brand.

Great to see you back.

Are you from San Francisco area?

Rose @ 2:28pm,
Outstanding! Just outstanding!

I love lavender-scented soap too. What do you use to exfoliate?

Chickie said...

Hello All--A fun puzzle with a great theme. I got the theme after Ebony and Ivory. I did have to look up Deane, Seale, and Reznor. I think that Googling some things is really a learning experience. Hopefully, if I run across those names again, I'll remember them. However, that is not a given, my memory isn't what it used to be.

Ebony and Ivory brought back long ago memories for me. I had Ebony in my first grade one year--long ago. The next year I had his sister, Ivory. A fun family and the children lived up to their names. I think their mother had listened to the song before they were born!!

Arabon, a good SOAP Story.

I wonder if anyone every used Sweetheart soap or Cashmere Bouquet? Growing up, we had both at one time or another.

Chickie said...

I went back and read last night's late postings. No, I didn't make my own onion soup mix. I didn't have all the ingredients on hand, and did have a packet of soup mix in the cupboard. I plan to make a batch of my own, and have put the ingredients down on my grocery list for this week. You can control the sodium better that way.

Your Crimson pot will be a thing to behold when it arrives. I have an old old one--maybe 40 years old, with autumn leaves around the edge. It was a Christmas gift from my mom. It has been USED and USED. I still go for that pot more often than not.

I would have voted for shoes, but you'll be glad of the pot.

cheerycheres said...

what, no tone soap? we used to buy that all the time. the clue, 49 down, stumped me for a time then i realized sometimes when people are nervous, their hands shake. when i am nervous, my face turns bright red!!

Hahtoolah said...

Eeewww! I remember Sweetheart soap. It smelled nasty! Didn't it come individually wrapped in tissue paper? I remember the name of Cashmere Bouquet. Wasn't there also a soap called "cameo"?

Annette said...

ARBAON: Wonderful job with your “soap” opera! Much more interesting than the one I watch usually is.

C.C.: I don’t exfoliate. I probably should though… Do you have a recommendation? You just mentioned one very recently, didn’t you?

Jeannie: Now you can start planning what special dish you’ll christen the new pot with!

I remember Tone, Cameo, and Cashmere Bouquet! Sweetheart sounds (very) vaguely familiar… Cameo seemed to be the fancy Olay product of its time.

carol said...

Arbaon: cute and clever 'Soap Opera' :)

Chickie: I remember Sweetheart and Cashmere Bouquet soaps, but you gotta wonder how they came up with the name Cashmere Bouquet. I know there are Cashmere goats (Windhover ???)but I would bet a lot they don't smell good. LOL.

Hatool: I can't remember what Sweetheart soap smelled like. My favorite used to be Coast, but now I just use Cetaphyll liquid. No soap or fragrance in it to irritate my skin.

Lucina said...

Very clever and creative soap opera!

Yes, I recall Cashmere Bouquet, Cameo, Tone and Fels Naphtha, however, we only used Lux because, according to my mother, it was the best.

Dot said...

In spite of the names, a fairly easy Wednesday puzzle. I thought I knew quite a bit about the Revolutionary War, but I don't remember Deane. I'll have to look him up.

I just wanted to report that the second cataract surgery went well. The doctor was please, I'm please and today my vision tested at 20/20 in the right eye; 20/25 in the left. My life still revolves around eye drop schedule but otherwise everything is fine.

I missed out on the puzzle and comments for a couple of days.

Thanks aggian to all the well-wishers.


Warren said...

Hi Jeannie, thanks for the Tetrazzini recipe, I printed it out for my wife to try. I'll let you know when we make it and how it goes.

Clear Ayes said...

We have six or seven oleander trees and bushes on our property. They grow well in our dry hot summers. Most animals steer clear of them, but as Gunghy mentioned, puppies don't have their adult smarts yet. Sad story.

ARBAON, your Soap Opera was very clever. I enjoyed spotting all the soap and detergent brands.

Dot, congratulations on the success of your surgeries.

Frenchie, I'm glad you liked today's poem. I have a couple more "Nature's diadem" poems to post.

As they say, great minds think alike...what do you think CA?. If you and I are thinking the same thing it must be true!

Annette said...

Dot: Congratulations! I'm glad to hear both your eye surgeries were so successful!

carol said...

Dot, so glad your eyes are now at perfection! You and Clear Ayes and JD have helped me to know that it is something that is not to be feared. I 'go under the knife' on the 27th. Had my pre-op appt today and will be glad when it's over.

JD said...

Arabon, I was tickled by the cleverness of your soap opera.

Dot, you passed go, collect 200! I'm sure you are glad it's over. I still use drops every so often. Now my eyes get dry.Bob says we don't blink when we are on the computer.

Chickie, cute story. Isn't it odd how some parents name their children? We had twins one year with VERY original(like completely new) names that no one could pronounce or spell. One name ended in an a, the other with an o...right, they were the same. I thought the office had made a typing error on the class lists, as they were put in different classes.

CA, I find myself reading your poems 2 or 3 times. Thanks for continuing to treat us.

dodo said...

Hello, all,
I was off to the Red Hawk Casino early this a.m. so I've just now finished reading the blog. Great interview, C.C. Lots of good info about constructing cws. It's still something beyond my ken!

I did get the puzzle done before I went quite fast. I didn't have time to even think about the theme until I started reading here. My remarks have all been posted by others. Did the Ann thing. I've never read Ann Rice and never paid attention to the spelling of her name. Never heard of Deane but it fell in nicely, as did most of the unknowns, with the help of the perps.

Carol, what is the significance of the "can of V8"? I've seen several references to it but it's another one of those things I need to learn.

I do hope Buckhorn is okay! C.C., do you have any way to find him?

Wonderful news about your eyes, Dot!

Why are our newbies so hesitant to create profiles?

Chickie said...

Dot, Hooray for your 20/20 and 20/25 eyesight. Such a miracle of modern medicine.

Carol, you will be very happy with the results. It is an outpatient couple of hours procedure at our hospital. My husband had it done last year and the only down side were the drops everyday, before and after.

dodo said...

TFrank, I'm with you as regards 'our national pastime'. Give me football or hockey, even tennis. I guess we're in the minority here, though. How do you feel about flamenco dancing?

Annette said...

Okay...I just finished watching a sitcom called "Accidentally On Purpose". Two characters are about to have sex when they're interrupted by a call to go get his best friend out of a jam.

The guy rescues his buddy and is speeding home to get back to the woman he'd left warming up on the couch.

To explain to his friend why he was speeding, he used "doing a crossword puzzle" as a euphemism for "having sex".

"I was on the couch doing a crossword puzzle, when your call interrupted me." "You know what it's like when you're in the middle of a crossword puzzle and you just can't wait to get home and finish it." "Then when you finish, you want to turn it over and do the puzzle again."

It's going to take a while to get that idea of of my head whenever I see "Crossword" again!

I hope someone else caught the episode too!

Tinbeni said...

A 5 theme puzzle on Wednesday is always fun.

I esp. liked that at the bottom was BATH SOAP. Alas, I'm more of a shower guy.

Arygle: I liked your pillow LAVA suggestion.

Dodo: I've been curious about the newbies setting up profiles, too.
In the least, the Anons could hit the Name/URL button and put in a fake name.

Annette: I was ROFLMAO as I watched.
I think as a euphemism I'll be using "Doing a crossword" from now on.

carol said...

Dodo, the reference to the V-8 can is from their commercial on TV where the person who is clueless about the nutrition he/she could have been having if they had chosen V-8 juice instead of a sugary drink..a can of V-8 juice flies out and hits them in the head. The poor schmuck now realizes he/she didn't know diddly about what they were consuming.. hence the slogan: "Wow, I could have had a V-8". The subsequent lesson is to be less clueless. Not a great explanation, but the best I can come up with now. :)

Gunghy said...

Sorry I didn't get back earlier, I was out sailing. (On Millerton Lake, not The Bay.) Born in SF, but a Central Valley boy except for 4 years at Cal.

fermatprime said...

My mother (quite Victorian) washed my mouth out with LIFEBUOY soap when I used the word "pregnant" (age 14 or so). My, did that stuff taste awful!

Jeannie et al.--If you reflect NOON (or noon) in the horizontal direction the Ns are upside down. Am I missing the meaning of the question?

Gunghy said...

Profile?? We don't need no stinking profile!!

Actually, I wondered how you all seemed to know so much about each other and assumed that you had all just been together for a long time. 'Dashboard' doesn't really say much to me.

I'll be up in a few.

JD said...

Gunghy, is Millerton Lake close to Bass Lake? I used to live in Three Rivers.

Hahtoolah said...

Dot: So glad to hear from you and learn that the eye surgery was successful.

Until I did today's puzzle, I didn't know that Oleander was poisonous. I'm not sure that I have seen the plant, actually, although there is a street near where I live by that name.

Annette: We'll never be able to actually really "do the crossword" again, will we?

Annette said...

Tinbeni: Ahh, all the poor spouses that probably already roll their eyes while their partner has their quiet time with the puzzle every day.

Now they'll also have to put up with the come-on, "hey honey, ready to do a crossword puzzle? It'll only take me 10 minutes or less!"


Hahtoolah said...

Welcome, Gunghy! Hope to "see" you here often. There is usually a lot of lively conversation.

Annette said...

Hahtool: Probably not!

Imagine all of us that fit the "crossword puzzle" in on our lunch hour or breaks at work - in private, alone or in groups.

And those traditionalists that "do crossword puzzles" with their own spouses before work in the morning, but sadly don't always finish...

And I won't even delve into the incestual "crossword puzzling" that goes on!


Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

Spitzboov, Kazie & EddyB,
From Gary Steinmehl himself:

"It's simply stone flour - Our early people in Germany were probably millers, grinders of flour. We've often joked about how much simpler our lives would have been with the name Miller! Everytime I use my name, I have to spell it out - no one ever gets the H in it! By the way though, we are the only ones with the Steinmehl name - we have some relatives in Alabama, Arizona, and thruout California, but to our knowledge, and my brother has traveled a lot in Germany, no other family has our name. Strangely enough, there is a product over there called Steinsmehl, which is a powder that is used for various things including covering fields where geese live to kill the smell. So I often tell people that our name is a derivation of German goose litter. It really impresses them. (Our family came over from Germany in the mid 1800's and settled in Terre Haute, Ind. My grandfather moved away to Birmingham Ala. and then for retirement to Hollywood California. He bought a place across the street from the Charlie Chaplin studios. My father lived 3 blocks away, and my brother and I were born in Hollywood. We don't run into too many natives of Hollywood. Also, it was only 8 years ago that I saw it snow! Ah, Southern California. I've got lots more stuff, if anyone's interested. If not, I remain Gary Miller."

Gunghy said...

JD, Millerton is behind Friant dam, just north of Fresno. Went through Three Rivers on my cycle Saturday. Took my sister from Toronto out to see wildflowers and we ended up in Kernville. 390 miles and 13 hours for the round trip. She's faster than me, too.
Hahtool, Thank you for the welcome. I will be in and out. I have a cabin in the mountains with no phone or internet and I spend a lot of time there.

Bill G. said...

Fermat, you're right about NOON if you reflect it horizontally. (I had to check it myself with looking at it written on a thin piece of paper turned over. But she said "written backward" which I took to mean the letters written in the reverse order. Then it's OK.

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

I use coarse sea salt & honey once a week. One of my friends simply uses an oatmeal bar soap every morning. She has beautiful skin. Mine is just awful.

Tinbeni said...

I'm one of the slowest "crossword puzzle solvers" on this planet.

In some places it moves slowly. Other places, well the pace does pick up a bit. I figure a "solve" in about an hour is just about ... right!

Why do a sprint? Though that turning the puzzle over and doing it again has it's moments.

That's not counting the cuddling, with the grid.

Mom always told me "Whenever you find yourself in HOT water, relax and take a BATH ..."

LOL back at ya!!!!

Annette said...

C.C.: Thank you. I did use an oatmeal bar soap for a while that did feel like a wonderful, soothing treat! I don't remember why I quit using it. Maybe I couldn't find it, or just that I preferred the lavender scent.

Tinbeni: Your avatar and a cigarette are looking pretty sounding right now... I'm glad I'd taped that episode. I think I'm going to need to see it a few more times before erasing. Sleep well! Thanks for sharing the moment. ;-)

Annette said...

Tinbeni: That long, slow, relaxing grind through the Sunday morning crossword puzzles will definitely be more enjoyable now!

Tinbeni said...

Well on Sunday, you solve for about an hour.
Then go out, have brunch, maybe go to the beach, pour a Scotch ... then solve a little more.

Ahhh, life is good.

kazie said...

Dot, I'm very glad to hear your ordeal with the eye surgery is over. It seems they really do work wonders these days, don't they?

Actually many of us have been doing this "together" for a couple of years. Welcome to the group!

What station was that sitcom on? it might be worth looking for next week. It certainly is one you won't forget in a while!

Thanks for the information from Gary on his name. Interesting about its rarity too. Ours is a name we thought was pretty rare, but we've actually discovered a few of them, the latest being one in Augustusburg, where our son was married. She is a cousin to the one in North Germany I've been exchanging emails with for a few years.

Jeannie said...

Hey all, I hope you all enjoyed the recipe posted below. On a Jeannie note, my parents are heading to Richmond, KY to visit my Mom's youngest Bro to probably see him for the last time. He had lung cancer and is maintaining on one lung for about four years. Meanwhile, my Mom has to be home for a surgery removing her uteris Wednesday. Yep, she's already blaming her four kids, and my Dad claims she doesn't need it anymore as he is done making kids. Supposedly it's supposed to take some pressure off her bladder. It's tough being away from your folks as they age. Mom, I know you don't read this, but I hope I didn't get too personal here on the blog.

Clear Ayes said...

Carol, good luck with the upcoming cataract surgery. You'll come through with flying colors (colors you will be able to see much more clearly!).

Gunghy, another Californian heard from. My husband and I have been through Fresno many times, heading out to Paso Robles and points south to visit his family.

You all will have to excuse me. It is time to do the crossword puzzle. Hey, I'm not kidding, is calling.

Have a nice evening.

kazie said...

After googling Steinmehl, I found this site for the sale and delivery of limestone powder. Probably the same use of the word as Spitzboov referred to earlier to spread on the fields. Literally it's powder made from (lime)stone.

Lucina said...

Congratulations on the success of your surgery. Modern medicine is miraculous, isn't it?

I want you to know that I, too, copied the tetrazzini recipe. I've learned your recipes are supreme. Thank you.

Welcome back! You've been missed

C.C. and Annette:
Where do you find oatmeal soap?

Chickie said...

My grandparents lived in a log cabin with a privy outside. My grandfather "limed" the privy quite often to help the smell. I'm sure it was the same powder that is ground from limestone. It is used to dispell odors even today.

Welcome Gunghy. I think you will enjoy the banter and I know we will enjoy a new voice.

Oh, boy, how are we supposed to think about doing a crossword now? I passed up that episode tonight to watch something else. Now I wish I'd watched it!

dodo said...

Thanks, Carol.I can see the V8 can will become a part of my 'puzzling' life!

Annette: I can't stop LOL!

C'mon Gunge, we've all bared our souls, so can you!

RBOAN, you are an inspiration! Great soap!

Jeannie, thanks much for your recipes, even tho I don't cook much any more! Maybe I'll throw a party! Tossed salad, Tetrazzini, garlic bread, and spumoni! EASY and GOOD!

dodo said...

Maybe I could entice Buckeye to come! I'm a little old for him, but younger men/older women are IN right now!

Frenchie said...


I living in the desert, I battle with dry skin. Many soaps are harsh and drying. I recently started using salt or sugar scrubs. One I bought at Trader Joe's, lavender, it smelled heavenly and made my skin so soft. The one I use now is Origin's Ginger scrub which is also wonderful, though more expensive than Trader's. Origins also sells this after bath spray which is a light oil, ginger. Spray it on while you are still wet and it holds moisture to your skin. It smells wonerful and feels so nice.

Concerning soap as discussed concerning it's use in the c/w:
My father felt that Dial was the most healthful soap to use. My brothers and sisters and I liked Ivory because it floated and you didn't have to dive in and find where it landed or stuck in the bottom of the tub. Interestingly enough ,My father always bought Cameo and/or Dove I was marketed toward women as a beauty soap. The commercial said something like 1/4 moisturizing cream. Dove w/ moisturizing cream It was romantic, him buying a more feminine, beauty soap for his love...why, you'd swear it was them who met in the revolving door!

@Jeannie, I found myself bathing suit shopping from your link! I lost 37 lbs this year and am feeling like having an attractive bathing suit. I bought a tankini at Dillard's, but it's very conservative. I want a fun one, too!

Also, I have that Le Creuset piece in The two tone orange. I love it. I have many pieces and really like the way they hold the heat evenly!

Dick said...

fermatprime, I switched from Direct TV to Dish and I am completely satisfied with the services.