Aug 30, 2016

Tuesday, August 30 2016, Timothy L. Meaker


20. Ship that's safe for an ocean voyage : SEAWORTHY VESSEL

37. Barrel roll or wingover : AIRSHOW MANEUVER

48. Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, for one : LANDMARK VERDICT

62. With 65-Across, military specialist : NAVY

65. See 62-Across ... and an acronym of the starts of 20-, 37- and 48-Across : SEAL

Melissa here. Got hung up in a few spots today. WOW, what a clever and patriotic theme, which didn't dawn on me until 62A and 65A were filled in. Three grid-spanning theme answers with the two reveals perfectly placed in the southeast corner - very impressive. From Wikipedia: "The SEALs are trained to operate in all environments (Sea, Air, and Land) for which they are named."


1. "Big bad" pig harasser : WOLF
 5. Paper Mate products : PENS

9. Dictation pro : STENO

14. Milky gem : OPAL

15. Frenzied : AMOK

16. High fly to the shortstop : POPUP

17. __ and dine : WINE.

18. Optimistic : ROSY

19. Wear down : ERODE

23. Teller of macabre tales : POE

24. Tokyo, once : EDO

25. Student's assignment : REPORT

29. See 47-Across : BIGS. All perps.

31. Indy 500 stat : MPH

34. Nebraska city near Boys Town : OMAHA

35. O'Hara plantation : TARA

36. Pepsi, e.g. : COLA. Tried SODA first.

40. Award for 46-Down : CLIO

41. Apron tops : BIBS

42. Stair part : TREAD

43. "For __ a jolly good fellow ... " : HE'S

44. Long skirt : MAXI

45. Conceited : CHESTY. If you say so.

46. Objective : AIM

47. With 29-Across, baseball's major leagues, in slang : THE. I suppose the baseball fans knew this right off the bat. Me, not so much.

57. San Antonio mission : ALAMO. Surprisingly small in person.

58. The "kid" in "Here's looking at you, kid" : ILSA

59. "I smell __!" : A RAT

60. "Homeland" actress Claire : DANES

61. Trio minus one : DUET

63. Supremes singer Ross : DIANA

64. CPR pros : EMT'S


1. Bowls over : WOWS

2. Mayberry tyke : OPIE

3. Turner of "The Postman Always Rings Twice" (1946) : LANA

4. Took to the sky : FLEW

5. Stereotypical cracker requester : PARROT

6. Chew the scenery : EMOTE

7. Grab a bite : NOSH

8. Grey Goose rival : SKYY

9. Takes chances with a radar trap : SPEEDS

10. Art class form : TORSO

11. Long verse : EPOS. What?

12. Sans clothing : NUDE

13. German automaker : OPEL

21. Daytime TV mogul : OPRAH

22. One who shuns all animal products : VEGAN

25. Raid victim : ROACH. Nice clue.

26. Writer Zola : EMILE

27. Eiffel Tower city : PARIS

28. Extremely : OH SO

29. Disney deer : BAMBI

30. Investments for the future: Abbr. : IRAS

31. Relocates : MOVES

32. Accordion fold : PLEAT

33. "Tess of the d'Urbervilles" author Thomas : HARDY

35. Candy sold in pairs : TWIX

36. Restore to health : CURE

38. 44th president : OBAMA

39. Bygone anesthetic : ETHER

44. Brunch cocktail : MIMOSA

45. Doesn't play fair : CHEATS

46. Madison Ave. figures : AD MEN

47. RCA product : TV SET

48. TV "angel" Cheryl who replaced Farrah Fawcett : LADD

49. Jai __ : ALAI

50. Gram : NANA

51. Hitchhiker's hope : RIDE

52. Model Heidi : KLUM

53. Dapper fellows? : DANS

54. "Dies __": hymn : IRAE

55. Vena __: major blood line : CAVA

56. Texter's sign off : TTYL


Nice Cuppa said...

Thanks Melissa.

I'm spending a few days in the UK, so its 3:00 am LA time, 11:00 am local time, giving me a rare opportunity to be an early poster.

Clever but doable. Several unknown names solved by perps. My only personal Natick moment was the D at the crossing of LADD and DANES – both complete unknowns to me.

Perhaps I may be the first to complain about the unifier. How is NAVY SEAL an ACRONYM for SEA, LAND and AIR?

An acronym is "an abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and pronounced as a word (e.g., NASA, LASER, )..

This actually slowed me down a little as I was trying to fit letters and sounds to NAVY SEAL, after having 20A ("SEA").

A bit Rich?


Nice Cuppa said...

P.S. Amused by CHESTY. In the UK&Comm., CHESTY can refer to a "buxom" woman; or it can describe someone with a mild upper respiratory tract infection; but it never means conceited. The choice is generally clear from the context. I wonder how you might described a conceited, buxom woman with a mild viral infection?

That chesty woman is usually so chesty, but she said she was feeling a little chesty today

OwenKL said...

{C, C+.}

A WOLF was harassing four little pigs,
Stuck in their PENS, away from THE BIGS.
Straw and stick he broke down with ease
Only the brick withstood his sneeze!
The fourth blew the WOLF away with his Sig!

Fire and water and AIR and earth
The ancients thought, gave the world birth.
Are the SEALS to command!
Showing the NAVY how much they're worth!

Barry G. said...

Morning, all!

Totally didn't get the theme today, even after getting the theme reveal. And CHESTY? Seriously? Other than that, though, it was smooth sailing.


desper-otto said...

Good morning!

Here's another hand up questioning CHESTY as conceited. It must be a local expression as perhaps heard in Wyoming. OPAL and OPEL both made the cut today, and the Wite-Out got a much needed rest. Thanx, Timothy and Melissa. I echo your sentiments on 47a.

Hahtoolah said...

Good Morning, Melissa and friends. Today's puzzle was much easier than yesterday's.

In keeping with the "theme", I noted that Heidi KLUM appeared. She was once married to SEAL.

Interesting to have both OPAL and OPEL in the same puzzle.

I agree with the others about CHESTY. Not familiar with its connotation to Conceited.

Claire DANES also starred in My So-Called Life.

QOD: I’m like every other woman: a closet full of clothes, but nothing to wear, so I wear jeans. ~ Cameron Diaz (b. Aug. 30, 1972)

billocohoes said...

Don't know about "conceited", exactly, but someone excessively proud of an accomplishment may puff his chest out.

SEAL itself is the acronym (SEa, Air, Land), NAVY isn't part of it

CartBoy said...

Chesty -

Jinx in Norfolk said...

Easy today thanks to well=placed perps. I can never remember EPOS. Its ironic to find LADD and DANES in the grid with CHESTY. Both are incredibly beautiful, but neither are, well, "gifted."

MJ said...

Good morning to all!

Like Hahtoolah, I found this puzzle to be much easier than yesterday's. When I didn't get the "tada" I immediately found my mistake, a typo at TORSp instead of TORSO.

Thanks for the expo, Melissa. I appreciate all of you who faithfully take us through the ins and outs of the daily puzzles.

Enjoy the day!

Madame Defarge said...

Good Morning.

Agreeing with MJ: Thanks Melissa and all our guides for the time they put into their expert tours. No misreads for me today, so I had a sweet Tah Dah! Learning moment: SE-A-Ls. I'm not sure the first letter only rule always applies. Duh, I can't think of an example off hand.

Thanks Timothy. I didn't have a problem with CHESTY. Think puffed up--more cartoon-ish than real life, I suppose. Favorite: AIR SHOW MANEUVER. What I really miss about NAS Glenview closing is the flyovers on the way down to the lake front for the Chicago Air Show. Who needed to go as it was practically over head. I remember the first time I saw the Delta winged Stealth. WOWS for sure! Now they fly out of Gary; we rarely hear a peep. I always wonder what those days are like for Air Traffic Control with O'Hare and Midway nearby.

Have a pleasant day, everyone.

Tinbeni said...

Melissa: Wonderful write-up. Good Job!

Timothy: Thank You for a FUN Tuesday puzzle. Enjoyed the theme.

CHESTY ... I guess that's the egotist that walks around pounding their chest?
(Like others said, probably not in the public vernacular here in Florida).

Glad to see that billocohoes @7:57 explained the SEa-Air-Land / SEAL acronym.

Of course I had a write-over at 44-d, Brunch cocktail ... yeah, I put in Scotch before MIMOSA.
Trust me, at Villa Incognito the "Brunch cocktail" is probably Scotch, LOL.

Well the "Sun is over the Yardarm."

Yellowrocks said...

Walk in the park today. I did not see the obvious acronym but I only spent a few seconds looking for it.
I knew LADD, so DANE was easily perped.
CHESTY as conceited is a word mostly used in print rather than in speech. I find it quite familiar. BILLO @ 7:57, I'm sure that is where chesty originates.
"That’s the chesty declaration of the scrappy newsboys hawking papers in 1899 New York in the uplifting Disney musical 'Newsies.'" Washington Post Jun 10, 2015
"Perry is all chesty swagger, evoking the archetypal Texas cowboy." Los Angeles Times Jan 19, 2015
"Given the university’s chesty reputation for academic rigor, all that losing might well have been welcomed as a scholarly credential." New York Times Sep 16, 2011.
Madame D, while on vacation I read an historical novel about the French Revolution. It was startlingly in contrast to the American Revolution. I was thinking of you almost the entire time.

Husker Gary said...

-No golf today because of yet another 2” of rain!
-A young man we know is well on his way toward his dream of being a SEAL
-Radio sports Journalist Tony Kornheiser routinely refers to vain athletes as CHESTY
-Every SEAGOING VESSEL that could be mustered saved the British army during the retreat at Dunkirk
-This week MLB clubs can call up 15 more players to THE BIGS to finish the season
-In my yute, Boy’s Town was a farm six miles from OMAHA. Now developers want that land that is practically midtown
-Florence Ballard helped found The Supremes but was devastated when it became DIANA Ross and the Supremes
-Raid was worthless against my ant colony. This killed ‘em in an hour.
-HARDY and TESS change places in the clue/fill merry-go-round
-Pat Boone had a hit in 1958 with TWIX(T) Twelve and Twenty
-Ta Ta For Now (TTFN) left for Talk To You Later (TTYL)
-One of my favorite songs says “She took off to find the footlights and I took off to find the SKY”

Northwest Runner said...

I could have easily responded "The Show" instead of "The Bigs" if some of the crossing entries weren't already there. Fun to see Opal and Opel in the same puzzle. I might have to question whether Brown was a verdict though. Any SCOTUS scholars out there? Was it a verdict or a ruling?

Sonia said...

I was so happy to finish today's puzzle. Yesterday, was a little tough!
Doesn't take much to make a retired teacher smile.

Irish Miss said...

Good Morning:

An easy, breezy offering with a clever and well-executed theme that I didn't understand until I read the expo. I guess the brain was not quite awake. Pens and stenos next to each other was cute as was Opel and Opal joining forces. (No Opie, though.) Clare Danes is a very talented actress.

Thanks, Tim and MelissaB, for an enjoyable solve and summary.

Have a great day.

Sailor said...

The three grid-spanning themers are indeed impressive, especially in a Tuesday puzzle. The rest of the fill, as someone said recently on another blog, was "easy like Monday morning."

SEAL is not what most civilians would think of as precisely an acronym, since it includes more than just the initial letters of the words it stands for. It's different in the US Navy, however, where "acronym" means a word formed from the first several letters of some of the words it stands for. Thus, COMSUBPAC (Commander, Submarine Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet). SEAL is actually nearer the common understanding of the word than most naval acronyms.

xtulmkr said...

Agree with others on CHESTY although it immediately filled. Don't ever recall hearing it used in the context but for some reason, after taking a look at 45d clue, it sprung to mind.

@HG: "Well, another man might have been angry
And another man might have been hurt
But another man never would've let her go
I stashed the bill in my shirt."

Spitzboov said...

Good morning everyone.

Straight top to bottom solve. No issues. Grid spanners came easily, also, and ratified the unifier clue. Few unknowns like DANES were easily perped. EPOS was a new learning.
No erasures, no look-ups.

Dudley said...

Hello Puzzlers -

Epos seems like a word I should recognize from prior puzzles, but I don't. Otherwise, easy going. Impressive grid spanners! As ever, I'm amazed the constructor could find phrases that fit.

I look forward to hearing about Lucina's vacation, here & there in New England. We've had some nice weather to help out.

Speaking of local attractions, I am due to attend a private reception tonight at the Norman Rockwell Museum in Stockbridge. It's one of those places I've meant to visit, but somehow never got around to.

C6D6 Peg said...

Thanks, Timothy, for a great puzzle. Loved the grid-spanners, and the reveal. Also loved the clue for WOLF!

Nice write-up, MB! Thanks for the explanations. Would never have gotten "THE BIGS" without perps!

Abejo said...

Good morning, folks. Thank you, Timothy Meaker, for a fine puzzle. Thank you, Melissa Bee, for a fine review.

Zipped through this pretty quickly. Even quicker than yesterday's puzzle.

The grid spanners came easily once I had a few letters. Caught the theme late in the puzzle. Very good. I may mail a copy of the puzzle to a friend of mine who is/was a Navy Seal.

EPOS was a new word for me.

Not sure who Clare DANES is. Perps.

Never heard of TWIX, but the perps were solid.

Liked ILSA. That was easy.

OPRAH reminded me of the photo and article in the Tribune the other day where they just tore down her former studio in Chicago, HARPO.

See you tomorrow.


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Big Easy said...

If you see old reruns of Charlie's Angels, you will notice that neither the clue nor the answer to 48D were not the answer to 45A, CHESTY, which is a description for that condition that I have never heard or seen before. But I didn't know that stairs had 'TREADs' either. Maybe where it snows but not down here.

I never saw the theme coming or know the origin of the NAVE SEALs' acronym. I also had to stare at EPOS because that, and Claire DANES were unknowns. Let's send EMILE to OMAHA so he can EMOTE and run AMOK. OMG, let me TTYL before you nice people ETHERize me or send the WOLF to my door.

PK said...

Hi Y'all! Very enjoyable puzzle, Timothy! Thanks for the expo, Melissa.

I thought the theme was very good. They make the news with some very dangerous missions, so deserve our thanks.

Unknowns: DANES & SKYY. Perped okay.

CHESTY isn't known here as conceited that I ever heard. However, a girl with a well-endowed CHEST might become conceited from all the male attention. Or confused and slightly fearful depending on her personality.

Brown v. Board of Education was a Supreme Court ruling or decision. Isn't that a synonym for verdict? The Topeka colored school used before the decision is now a National Historic Site museum within the National Park Service. Has rangers as guides.

Hungry Mother said...

Only EPOS gave me pause. I've heard of CHESTY, I think from my parents and grandparents.

Northwest Runner said...

One source makes the distinction that a verdict is a decision on an issue of fact in a civil or criminal case or an inquest while a ruling is an order or a decision on a point of law from someone in authority. Elsewhere it's pointed out that a verdict is issued by a jury. With that in mind the Brown decision was not a verdict.

Yellowrocks said...

I can find many references to Supreme Court decisions being called verdicts.
For example

Jayce said...

Well executed theme, interesting puzzle. Mostly solved by the acrosses only (except for THE BIGS), so didn't even see some of the down clues and answers. Had to go back and look at EPOS. Didn't know that one.

Irish Miss, OPIE crosses OPAL at 2d.

The stairs to the basement in our house in South Dakota had rubber TREADs. All other stairs in all other houses I've lived in were carpeted or bare wood.

Madame Defarge, speaking of Glenview, many years ago our family were friends of the Scalbom family who lived there. I wonder if you've heard of them.

Melissa, how's your enterprise going?

Got the results of my latest blood tests back; all my numbers look good. Yay!

Best wishes to you all.

Steve M. said...

Lawyer here.

Brown v. Board most definitely was not a verdict.

A verdict refers to a jury's finding or decision on the factual issues of a case. The Supreme Court did not issue a verdict. It issued a decision holding that school segregation violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

This one bugged me, along with the "acronym" clue.

Ol' Man Keith said...

In a crossword that features NAVY SEALs, I'm not surprised to see CHESTY used as a synonym for "Conceited." It's a good down-home adjective to describe a military type who's full of himself, like good ol' Marine Lt. General CHESTY Puller, the hero of the Pacific theater in WWII. It took a lot of confidence to work his way from Private to General while winning a Purple Heart, a Silver Star, three Air Medals, and five Navy Crosses.

Jayce said...

I think the writer, David G. Savage, of that Los Angeles Times article is a bit sloppy in his use of the terms verdict and ruling. At one point he says the Supreme Court let stand a previous verdict: "The Supreme Court on Monday let stand a $203 million verdict..." A couple of paragraphs later he refers to the ruling that the Court upheld: "A federal judge in San Francisco ruled in 2010..." Courts (judges) issue rulings; juries issue verdicts.

Misty said...

Great puzzle this morning, though with surprises, as everyone's been noting. I knew SKYY had to be right, but had no idea what it could mean. Same with CHESTY and EPOS. But I just trusted that the surrounding words had to be right, and so everything turned out okay. Yay! Many thanks, Timothy! And you too, Melissa, for your always great write-up.


Jayce, good to hear you had good test results.

Have a great day, everybody!

desper-otto said...

Big Easy, in stair terminology, the horizontal part of the step -- where your feet go -- is called the tread, even if it's just a smooth board.

SwampCat said...

Easy Peasy today. Perps filled I what I didn't know. Thanks, Timothy. And Melissa for the write up.

Ol' ManKeith, I also thought of Chesty Puller. I'm not sure he was conceited, though. Maybe just confident enough to do all those amazing things. But I'm also not sure where the line is. I guess military historians will be debating it for years.

There is another storm in the Gulf. Stay dry!

Madame Defarge said...

Yellowrocks @9:05: Interestingly, Tale of Two Cities was Dickens critique of the conditions and treatment of the lower classes in England. The French setting kept him from being censored in any way. I hope you enjoyed your vacation reading.

Jayce @ 1:13: I do not know that family. Many Evanston families moved to Glenview after their kids finished high school. The high school I attended had many kids from GV, but I didn't know anyone of that name.

Re: Brown v. Bd of Ed.: The original DECISION of May 17, 1954 was one of the shortest at only 11 very readable paragraphs. It's full name is actually a compilation of several cases, but Brown happens to be the name of the first family in alphabetical order. In Brown II, handed down May 31, 1955, Chief Justice Earl Warren called for "all deliberate speed" in complying with the decision. It took many school districts a very long time to figure out the meaning of "with all deliberate speed."
This case is the core of my research for Masters Degree number two in 2002.

Jerome said...

In an LA times crossword it's unlikely that the clue for CHESTY would be something inferring large breasts. It's also unlikely to be clued as a kind of illness. Editors shy away from that subject. This leads to using the definition, CONCEITED. I don't know if the clue is Timothy's or Rich's, but it doesn't matter. The clue is fine and correct. A person could choose to think of the CONCEITED/CHESTY combo as a learning moment, or just complain because it's not familiar.

Irish Miss said...

Jayce @ 1:13 - I stand corrected. Just goes to show how asleep my brain really was! 🙃

Ol' Man Keith said...

You're right to call me on that. Gen. Puller's conceit is not of the negative variety that we think of as "unwarranted confidence." Over the years the meaning of "conceit" has evolved to include some significant differences - from egotistical to merely self-regarding. The adjective "conceited" is detrimental today, i.e., narcissistic, snotty, etc. I'm old-fashioned enough to go with the past sense, where "conceit" meant "idea" or "concept," and the addition of the "ed" ending turned it into a descriptive of one who was filled with ideas, aims, and purpose. An Elizabethan gentlemen of conceit was often ambitious, blessed with virtu, and on the rise.
But I should not expect others to share my out-dated toying with definitions.

AnonymousPVX said...

A lot easier than yesterday and a nice puzzle. No issue solving and no complaints.

Big Easy said...

D-O Thanks for the explanation of 'tread'. I've only heard the term 'steps' and never gave a thought to what the horizontal and vertical pieces were called. Now I see the terms tread, head of tread, riser, stringer, nosing.

oc4beach said...

Very enjoyable puzzle today. I liked the long clues and was able to fill in the few unknowns with perps.

We owe the SEALS and the rest of the Armed Forces a debt of gratitude for helping to protect us and for their sacrifices.

I thought the Supreme Court issued or passed down Decisions or Rulings, not necessarily verdicts. Whatever it is it's not a big deal what it's called.

Also I think that stairs are made up of treads, risers and stringers.

Have a great day everyone.

OwenKL said...

An interesting article on crosswords

The verdict on VERDICT is that, like so many, many other words in crosswords, the casual, popular use by the populace is often different from the formal definition in any specialty's jargon. The philologists among us might be interested in what has to say about it:

verdict (n.)
1530s, alteration of Middle English verdit (c. 1300), "a jury's decision in a case," from Anglo-French verdit (Old French voirdit) "sworn testimony, affidavit; judgment, written record of a verdict," literally "a true saying or report," from ver, veir "true" (see very) + dit, past participle of dire "to say" (see diction). Spelling influenced by Medieval Latin verdictum "a verdict."

judgment (n.)
mid-13c., jugement, "action of trying at law, trial," also "capacity for making decisions," from Old French jugement "legal judgment; diagnosis; the Last Judgment" (11c.), from jugier "to judge".
From late 13c. as "penalty imposed by a court;" early 14c. as "any authoritative decision, verdict in a court case." From late 14c. in reference to the final trial of the human race in a future state (Judgment Day attested from late 14c.). Also from c. 1300 as "opinion."

finding (n.)
... Legal sense "proceedings leading to a verdict in an inquisition, etc.," is from mid-15c. Old English finding meant "invention."

chesty (adj.)
"aggressively self-assured," 1898, American English slang, from chest (n.) in the body sense + -y. Of a woman, "bosomy, full-breasted," by 1955.

john28man said...

Madame Defarge: Your comment got me to thinking and WIFI came to mind which stands for WIreless FIdelity which I found by Googling.

Yellowrocks said...

Madame D, I know you are the expert. I am confused. I have read that the De Farges participated in the storming of the Bastille. I have read of their activities in Paris. I realize the novel takes place in London AND Paris.Please explain how this is not strongly connected to the French Revolution.

Madame Defarge said...

YR, yes the story line is about the French Revolution, but considering the publication date of TOTC, it's more about England than France. Think industrial revolution and what that means to the lower classes.

The plot is totally French Revolution. It's also important to consider how the English historically felt about the French. Remember what the Countess Dowager of Downton Abbey said in the last season. She would stay in France until she became irritated with them and became homesick.

Gotta love history and literature! xo, Madame D

Jerome said...

Madame Defarge- I always thought it was interesting that Thomas Jefferson was a big supporter of the French Revolution, but most of the other founding fathers had a rather tepid reaction. It says a lot about the aristocratic tendencies that many of them held. And, as you well know, slavery was banned in France, but not after our revolution.

Unknown said...

I understand CHESTY well..

When a guy struts with his chest up and stomach pulled in like he's the Cock of the Walk. Specially when he sees a CHESTY girl. ~!~!

Big Easy all stairs have TREADS and RISERS. Risers have been crosswords many times ~!~!

Finally a full day of sunshine and NO RAIN !!!! That might change soon ~!~!

Easy run today almost all crosses and I agree with my neighbor Hahtoola it was easier than yesterday.

Plus Tard from Cajun Country ~!~!

Anonymous T said...

Hi All!

Cakewalk today w/o CHEATS - thanks Timothy! Thanks Melissa for kicking off the post-puzzle party and some more thanks for everyone's learnin' posts re: VERDICT @ 48a. I guess Rich made the Supreme decision :-)

WOs: BAMBi and TTFN b/f TTYL - that camouflaged the NAVY SEAL :-)

ESPs: LANA, EPOS, DANES & ALAI (took a WAG ta'boot!)

Enjoyed WEES, OPAL & OPEL. IM, allow me to add OPRAH to our OP list...

Line 43 is funny - HE'S MAXI-CHESTY (Just me?)

Fav: Our find SEALs REPORTing for theme duty.

Runner-up: Does the PARROT xing POE say "Nevermore"?

Sailor - Like you, no issues with SEAL being an acronym for this soldier.

Jayce - good to hear positive test results.

Cheers, -T

Madame Defarge said...

Jerome @6:54,

Indeed. I saw a great play locally (Chicago) entitled "Discord" wherein Jefferson, Dickens, and Tolstoy duke out their ideas in (presumably) Purgatory. A worthy, intense piece--if you ever have the chance. It was very well done in a small, intimate venue.

Pat said...

Yay for a fun, easy Tuesday! Great puzzle, Mr. Meaker! Loved the expo, MB!

Fav clue/ans: the theme. One of my brothers (the photographer) was a NAVY SEAL. Thanks to all service people for your work.

We have a day with no rain! Yeah!


Madame Defarge said...

PS: I wish Hamilton had been with them, as I have always respected his idea of Federation over states with their own coinage and rules. Chaos! AND this was before he became a pop icon. In the early 70's when I taught American history, Socratically, I focused on Jeffersonian vs Hamiltonian democracy. I'm certain I couldn't get that past the Twitter generation today. I wonder if any of my former closing in on retirement students remember that today. Although, perhaps, Lin-Manuel Miranda has achieved a message in this regard.

SwampCat said...

I m. late to the comments I know. But Jerome @ 3:15. I have to say...Amen! We always have to consider alllll the implications of each clue. Love it!

OMK?'re obviously my kinda guy!! Conceit has gone thru many Iterations!! And in the end, I must admit to an undying admiration for Cheaty Puller and all those stalwarts who defied the odds to win an impossible war in impossible situations on those islands.

SwampCat said...

Madame clever of you to notice Hamiltonian vs Jeffersonian democracy. I have pondered that also. we are...

Boo....stay dry!!

Big Easy said...

Every one knows George Hamilton was a real person and George Jefferson was an actor.

Madame Defarge said...

Swamp Cat last night: Ah, indeed.

Hope we aren't sending too much more water down the Mighty River. . . .