Jun 3, 2009

Wednesday June 3, 2009 Peter A. Collins

Theme: BROKEN CODES (60A: Crytographers' successes (and what can be found in the circles in this puzzle's long answers)

17A: Colonial fair artisan: GLASSBLOWER (Law)

24A: Reasons for an R rating: SEX AND VIOLENCE (Silence)

38A: Keep an eye on things: HOLD DOWN THE FORT (Honor)

49A: Lickety-split: LIKE THE DICKENS (Ethics)

Are there circles in your paper? There is none in LAT's website.

All the above theme code entries are broken, spanning across several words. Additionally, break the law and break the silence are both common phrases. I liked the layered nuances.

LIKE THE DICKENS is a new phrase to me. Interesting to see SEX AND VIOLENCE after our gratuitous sax and violins discussion a few weeks ago.

What other codes can you think of? Bar code, zip/area code came to my mind. I enjoyed today's puzzle. The theme held my interest.


1A: Makeshift bookmark: DOG-EAR. Nice crossing with REBIND (6D: Put a new book cover on).

7A: Relax: LAZE. Thought of EASE & REST.

11A: Sta. that might show a Bogie flick: TCM (Turner Classic Movies)

15A: Wash basin partner: EWER

19A: Baja bear: OSO. Alliteration again. Spanish for bear.

22A: Stage awards: OBIES. Or TONYS.

29A: It may be roja or verde: SALSA. Red sauce (SALSA roja) or green sauce (SALSA verde). I wrote down SALAD.

30A: "The Zoo Story" playwright: ALBEE (Edward). He also wrote "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?"

34A: QB's goof: INT. Ah, I got it this time.

43A: Place to crash: PAD. And DIGS (1D: Home, informally). Nice pair.

44A: Took another plunge? REWED. Great clue.

45A: Seder month: NISAN. I used to remember this month. All I could think this morning is ADAR, the Purim month, which is imediately before NISAN.

47A: Tire gauge meas.: PSI

57A: Look down: MOPE. They are not synonymous to me. The former indicates scoreful disdain.

64A: "The Loco-Motion" singer Little __: EVA. Named after the character from "Uncle Tom's Cabin". I got her name from down fills. Here is the clip.

65A: Mother of Helen of Troy: LEDA. She was seduced by Zeus in the form of a swan.

66A: Tennessee team: TITANS. Is their team named after the Greek gods TITANS?

67A: Trim: SVELTE. Adjective. I was thinking of a verb.


2D: Clay pots: OLLAS. This one is so pretty.

3D: Maker of PlugIns: GLADE. Do you use air freshener at home?

4D: County north of Ken: ESSEX

5D: Two-time loser to DDE: AES. Ah, loser. I prefer opponent.

7D: Pope during the Battle of Ostia: LEO IV. Easy guess.

9D: 25% of zero?: ZEE. Letter Z is 25% of the word zero. I thought of NIL first.

10D: "Misty" composer Garner?: ERROLL. Have never heard of this composer. His name is so close to Errol Flynn.

11D: Streak beginning?: TWO IN A ROW. Oh, I was picturing someone streaking in public.

12D: Trig ratio: COSEC. This stuff confused me a lot when I was in school.

13D: Long-headed mammal: MOOSE. How long?

18D: Former Fords: LTDS. The cars. I thought of former President Ford.

23D: "Don't take silly chances": BE SAFE

25D: Served past: ACED. Is past an adverb here? I like "Served perfectly".

31D: It stops at each sta.: LOC. No idea. What is LOC?

32D: Reacted to, as sudden bright light: BLINKED AT

34D: Evansville's st.: IND (Indiana). Not familiar with Evansville. For a minute, I thought their Senator Evan Bayh might be from Evansville. Wrong. He was born in Shirkieville, part of Terre Haute, which appears in crossword occasionally.

36D: Dander: IRE

37D: LAX posting: ETD. Or ETA sometimes. Just learned from the Air France crash that the black box emits signals for only 30 days.

39D: Moonfish: OPAH. Still can't believe OPAH is used for sashimi.

41D: The Phantom of the Opera: ERIK. The deformed ghost. I forgot his name.

46D: Quarter horse quarters: STABLE. Nice clue. Reminds me of the Kentucky Derby/Preakness horse General Quarters. I liked his trainer/owner. So fiercely independent and quiet. Do you think he looks cool?

47D: Plumber's piece: PIPE. Neat p, p and P.

48D: Sachet emanations: SCENTS

49D: Three-star mil. officer: LT GEN (Lieutenant General). General would would be four-star I presume?

50D: "Monday __ Friday on my mind": 1967 song lyric: I HAVE. Easy guess. I don't know who sang the song.

51D: Senegal's capital: DAKAR. I checked my map. It's the the westernmost African capital. I wonder what DAKAR means in local language. Beijing means "northern capital" in Chinese. My hometown Xi'An means "western peace".

53D: Situated at a junction: NODAL. Like her knees? I had huge trouble with this answer.

54D: Ran through: SPENT. New meaning of "run through" to me.

63D: Kind of engr.: CIV. Civil engineer.

Answer grid.



Dennis said...

Good morning, C.C. and gang - a fun puzzle today with a lot of interesting clues, and a twist with the added circles. I got the four words, but didn't know what to do with them initially, then the light came on.

'Friday on my Mind' has always been a favorite of mine. I thought '25% of zero' was clever. I wonder how many non-military people know that a 3-star officer is a Lieutenant General; a 2-star is a Major General, and a 1-star a Brigadier General. Unknown to me was the 'Misty' composer, and I didn't know which Leo it was gonna be until the perps filled in the 'IV'. For some reason, I really enjoyed 'lickety-split' - and I haven't heard 'like the dickens' in many years.

I predict Lois will have a field-day with this one.

Today is Repeat Day. Today is Repeat Day.

Today's Words of Wisdom: "Nothing depresses me anymore. For a while in your life you worry about the passage of time and getting old and.....after a while, you just say, "My God, does it matter? Get on with it." -- Musician Bobby Short

Even more Fun Facts:

- To cure hangovers, people in the Middle Ages would down a plate of bitter almonds and dried eel after drinking. In Outer Mongolia, they slurped down pickled sheep eyeballs in tomato juice.

- In the 1820s, a temperance movement tried to ban coffee and nearly succeeded.

Anonymous said...

What ia a "perps" that some of the solvers use


C.C. Burnikel said...

LAT's website does not have circles. LT GEN was quite easy to get, though I did not know the star & rank connections. Bitter almonds are traditional Chinese herbal seeds, just like Job's tears. Dried eels do not sound appealing to me. Pickled eels, yes. I love pickled herrings, don't you?

Perps is short for perpendiculars, the surrounding fills that help you ferret out the unknowns.

Now I am curious. Why XXX or XXXX on those bags of flour? Nice NAGS clue. I liked the road you traveled to get the Amway and Blackwater connection. What does Xe mean? It sounds equally dark to me.

Argyle said...

Good Morning, Ol' Buddies,

The Across Lite version of the on-line puzzle has the circles. I get that through

Perp is shortened version of perpendicular, meaning any word at a right angle to the word you're working on.

C.C. Burnikel said...

So strange. Now I am eager to know if all the papers have circles on those theme entries.

I agree with Jazzbumpa. You sealed XXX. Nice one.

WM & Kazie,
Thanks for the clarification on farine and maïs. Kazie, further to your Korn talk the other day, lots of German names seem to start with K rather than C: Karl, Kohl, etc.

C.C. Burnikel said...

Blue itself is a verb? Wow. I did not know that. Thanks.

Hope you catch lots of fish.

I thought the "blue bird day" is a coded message. :-)

Your triple root is just like Barb B's triple Judy and Tarrajo's triple Tora, it won't work. Triple crown & triple play, on the other hand, are real words. Nice to see you back.

Chris in LA said...

Good morning all,

Some struggles today, but overall not too bad.

cc: I think "It stops at all sta." = LOC is a reference to trains that stop at all the stations (local) vs. an express train that runs non-stop from end-to end.

Happy Wednesday all!

Argyle said...

My paper(Post-Star) has the circles.

Example of spent: More and more people have run through(spent) their monthly budget by the third week.

Argyle said...

We should be thinking of codes that can be broken, like the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) or the Da Vinci code.

Dick said...

Good morning C.C. and all,...lots of trip points today and a very long solve. Somehow I did manage to complete this puzzle with no outside help, but I sure needed the perps.

I did not know "Allbee", "TCM, "OSO' and had tio get them from the perps.

I guess I liked the puzzle, but I am wondering if there is an up tick in the difficulty level this week. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just me?

Hope you have a great Wednesday.

Go Pens, make it two in a row, "Streak beginning!"

tfrank said...

Good Morning, C.C. & Gang,

No circles in my LAT. I had a lot of trouble in the SE corner, mainly due to using smells instead of scents. I also wanted to spell svelte as sveldt because I wanted fact for esse. Nodal was not on my wave length.

It also seemed that the clue for rev should indicate an abbreviation is in effect.

Even had the circles been in my version, I doubt if I would have figured out the theme. That is getting to be above my paygrade as someone recently said.

C.C., your comment about "bluebird day" was clever. Hope you have one.

danabw said...

Good morning,
Great puzzle, really enjoyed the clues today, favorite was 25% of zero.

31d: It stops at each sta. I filled in 'loc' and thought it was short for locomotive. That would go nicely with 64a: The Loco-Motion".

Dennis-great FF on hangovers. I think those 'cures' would just add to my suffering!

Linda said...

CC: I took "loc" to mean "locomotive" but the end result would be the same. Had to come here to get "like the dickens' and "moose" (I had "mouse" for a while) Mine had the circles, too...which actually helped for a change. My Grandmother used to "blue" her white clothes with, what else, bluing. (Supposed to make them look whiter.)
This was a tic above last Wednesday`s puzzle...

Barb: Are you the one who sent the adorable dog/deer pic? Almost didn`t open it, though...might be good to identify that you`re from the blog, from now on.

Tara.: Please add "hootyboop" (Often shortened to just "hooty") to your "whatchacallit' list.

My husband has many of these "strange expressions/names." He calls me "Sugar Booger", "Fenale", "Ninoo" , "What`s for dinner" and "Are you awake?"

Been up since 4 again! That darn moon! Got the puzzles done early, though. Ban coffee? Heresy!!!!

Dennis: Your wealth of info astounds me. Are you really 95 years old? (you must have lived at least that long...) I never knew there was a "LtGen." I knew that`s what the perps indicated but just could not accept it. Only knew "Major/Brigadier" Generals.
Dennis: Your wealth of info astounds me. Are you really 95 years old? (you must have lived at least that long...) I never knew there was a "LtGen." I knew that`s what the perps indicated but just could not accept it. Only knew "Major/Brigadier" Generals. :)

kazie said...

G'morning all!
Sure needed the perps today, but I enjoyed the fact that I got so much out on my own.

Unknowns were too many to list. I ended up g'ing LEDA, because for some reason I forgot what Pindar was--thought of painter but not poet. Also didn't think of State for Evansville--was thinking street, maybe like Elm in those horror movies, and had no clue what a QB does, so the "I" was missing in INT/IND.

Otherwise it all came together with theme help, though SALSA took a while because I was trying to think what traffic light might be in Spanish, for somthing red or green.

The WI State Journal did have circles.

German never uses "c" alone except maybe in foreign borrowings--always "k" or "ck".

The only hangover cure I know is the "hair of the dog" (that bit you), i.e. more of the same. But I find a good hot cup of tea does wonders too.

I agree with Chris in LA on LOC. I think REV is used as a word in its own right--if I REV the engine, how would I make a more complete word of that verb?

Al said...

A long time ago, when I used to bowl on about four different teams, we would celebrate the start of a streak of strikes as ONE in a row. You can't get two without getting one first.

Besides, there were names for everything else: doubles, turkeys (three in a row, seldom called triples, but sometimes called three-baggers) and 4-8 were followed by "baggers", usually. For some reason we stopped using bagger at 8 and then it would be "in a row" after that for 9-12.

Hey, I was a lot younger, and there was alcohol involved...

Karen said...

My local paper, The Daily Press, has the circles. Good puzzle today. Took some thought but not impossible like som recently.

Andrea said...

Morning all -

Morning all -

Amazingly I finished this one! And even more amazingly, figured out the theme answers, including the clues which emerged from the circles, which helped fill in lots of unknowns! Needed a little outside help, but all in all, I really enjoyed this one.

I was born in Evansville, so you'd think it would have been a gimme. But I read St as Sta thanks to 31D, so kept racking my brain trying to figure out what their station is called... Big DOH moment when it became clear. The I in INT was a big help - being a Favre fan, INT was pretty easy.

Favorite clue was 25% of zero - very clever.

Sounds like the Outer Mongolians would like Bloody Marys. Thank goodness we've traded out pickled sheep eyeballs for pickles and other tastier garnishes!

Enjoy the day.


Al said...

@Linda, "sugar booger" is interesting. Does your hubby watch lots of cartoons? Hugh Neutron (Jimmy Neutron's dad) always calls his wife that. I always thought they had made it up for that show, but it had to have come from somewhere, I suppose...

Dennis said...

C.C., pickled eels? Pickled herring? No, honestly, I'd rather eat my arm.

Dick, yeah, I think this week has been a bit more difficult. Go Pens.

I too thought 'locomotive'; must be a function of age.

Linda, no, not quite 95 yet. and as far as a 'wealth of knowledge', well, the stuff I remember is about as valuable as a bag of socks.

Kaz, I think you're right about 'rev' when used as a verb - it is what it is.

Al, I've only heard of double-baggers, but in a different connotation.....and yes, there was alcohol involved then too.

Andrea, funny line: "being a Favre fan, INT was pretty easy".

Linda said...

Al: I met my husband in '59...he called me "Sugar Booger" even then. At the risk of appearing non-well-rounded, as far as I know...we haven`t seen "Jimmy Neutron." (Haven`t seen any writer`s checks from them either...) He travelled extensively with his work before we met...coulda picked it up anywhere. (Even to Evansville, Andrea...had his first real pizza in Terre Haute.)

Dennis: No knowledge is useless...I want to know all I can about everything! Keep sharing it with us. (Just watch the cracks about "age-related!" :)

Karen said...

What does INT stand for? Interference?
I too had trouble with Oso & cosec....had TMC instead of TCM. Thought it was Turner Movie Clasics...DUH.

Anonymous said...

I enjoyed this puzzle today but never would have gotten the theme until I came here. C.C. I too liked the crossing of dog ear and rebind. I dog ear my pages in my books all the time. I must have a dozen different bookmarks, but I’ll me darned if I can ever find one when I need one! My dad was a civil engineer and that clue prompts me to make a phone call today. My favorite clues were “took another plunge” rewed, and “25% of zero” zee. Has anyone ever watched someone blow glass?

@C.C. I don’t use a conventional air freshener in my house. I usually just hang some fresh herbs. Basil, rosemary and dill give off a really nice clean scent. Also how do you pronounce the name of the city you grew up in Xi’an?

@Linda, I never have heard of hootyboot before, but will add it to my list. I like how it sounds.

@Dennis, those hangover cures turned my stomach. Mine is a greasy cheeseburger and a malt. Oh, and a nap. Funny how you and I both liked “lickety split.” A double bagger??

Dennis said...

Karen, 'interception'.

Dennis said...

Linda, being older than fluids, I can make age cracks.

tarrajo, a great hangover cure! Comfort food works for just about anything. And don't worry about 'double-bagger' -- that's not a phrase you'll ever hear.

carol said...

Good morning C.C. and all:
I did the puzzle (all except 2 words) without any help and felt good because I don't expect that on a Wed.
My favorite clues were 44A (Took another plunge)and 9D (25% of zero).

I did not get 19A (OSO) and 12D (COSEC)(I never took Trig).

34D (Evansville's st) had me thinking of STREET, not STATE. Why was st not capitalized?

53D (NODAL) was filled in by the perps, as was 63D (CIV) or I would not have figured that out either. I thought the reference was for kind of ENERGY. V-8 moment when I read the answer from C.C.

C.C. thank you for the 'triple' explanation. I just didn't pick up on the 'theme' I guess.

I agree with Danabw, the cure for the hangover would have me hanging over the porcelain throne.

Tarajo, I watched glass blowing years ago...beautiful to see but I couldn't do it because of the intense heat and the blowing through the long tubes. Must take a lot of lung power!

Linda, I'll bet your grandma used Mrs. Stewart's bluing. It was also used on white hair, sometimes with questionable results. We've all seen them, I wonder what mirror they use.

Anonymous said...

@Dennis, I don't understand the "being older than fluids" and why will I never hear the phrase "double bagger?"

Lola said...


Jazzbumpa beat me to it. I was going to explain the look down/mope connection. Kazie trumped me on the gun/rev clue/ans. Oh, Kazie, a traffic light in Spanish is semáforo. We probably won't see that in our puzzle anytime soon.

The lack of circles in the puzzle I printed off the web made 60A a misleading clue, however it was doable from the "Cryptographer's Success"part of the clue.

I found the puzzle quite doable. Though I wasn't positive about every reference. If you just keep your knees loose these verbal moguls won't throw you.

Have a great Wednesday all. TTFN

maria said...

Good morning c.c.and all,
Difficulty level up today, though i got all the long ones across and down , no circles on LAT online .
Had to gg, Titans , did not get the broken codes until i came here.
I remembered Leda, there is a very erotic statue of her and the swan, in the gardens of Windsor castle .

Svelte, is a favorite body spray by Dior.

Dennis, ZEE ? did not get it for the longest time.
Just to be clear, for example :
25% of Dick, would be DEE ?
Go ahead, humor me.

All in all, a very enjoyable puzzle.

Arrivederci !

Jeanne said...

Morning all,
Had to get in some yard work before the rains come for the next two days. Yuck. I thought the puzzle was more difficult than usual for a Wednesday but doable. Just took me longer. Loved the zee answer even though it took me a sec to understand it.

Many years ago, my best friend's father was a glass blower and he had a lab in his basement. I still have several small items he did for us and one bubble I managed to blow myself. Had much greater success in blowing other things.!!!

Have a great day. BTW our paper had the circles, too.

maria said...

Lola & Kazie, how funny . semaforo is the same in italian

Al said...

@Terrajo, it's an old misoginstic joke. The second bag is needed just in case hers falls off...

And older than fluids is pretty old, but at least it's not older than dirt.

Dennis said...

Carol, we have a lot of blue-hairs visiting the hair salon down the strip from my store. And you can also 'blue' a pistol.

tarrajo, 'older than fluids' is the best way I could describe my physical age. As to your question about 'double-bagger' - uh uh - not gonna get me with that one. I'm onto that fake innocent ploy you of the distaff sex use.

Maria, 25% of dick is Dee? No, 25% of dick is just a shame.

maria said...

sorry, i didn't complete my sentence for, traffic light
but i bet they'll work it in , in a future puzz

Jazzbumpa said...

C.C. & amigos -

XXX on flour - beats me. I'm not even sure that memory is correct. The name Xe is mysterious. I'm sure they changed from Blackwater because their reputation is so bad.

Yes, I like her knees - along with all points north and south.

You're right about "look down" but here it is the head-hanging posture of a moper. (I have lots of experience with 3-year-olds.) A tennis serve that can't be returned is an ACE. It goes PAST the other player. I thought LOCOMOTIVE, too, but LOCAL makes more sense.

Misty is OUR song. Here is the definitive version. Yes, we are THAT old.

(Rant redacted)


treefrog said...

Had some problems today. Just couldn't get with it. Can't believe it took so long to get DOGEAR,maybe because I don't do it. Still, a pretty decent puzzle.
Our Medford paper had the circles.

Some of our areas will have flash flood warnings again today. The town of Rogue River really got hammered yesterday. At least the humidity has dropped.
KittyB-I get in trouble for swearing in front of the grandkids too. I learned it all from my dad, former Navy. Hmm,guess I learned a few new ones when my sons were teens:} I used to joke my kids first words were-dada,mama,and sh--

Cleaning isn't a problem. I do it once a week whether it needs it or not. On a good week I might run the vacuum again. Darn cat hair.
Time to boogie. Think I will go do some clean up of peonys etc. The rain fried the blooms on Saturday.

Have a great day.

maria said...

Dennis, thanks for the belly laugh, and, touche' !

tfrank said...

Re Gun:

Duh, the light just dawned. I was thinking weapon and my answer was rev for revolver. I never thought of race the engine. Oh, well. Live and learn.

melissa bee said...

good morning c.c. and all,

just like last week, wednesday's took me a minute and change longer than tuesday's. the coded words were impossible to ferret out since the online LAT didn't have the circles. argyle thanks for the info about the across lite version having them .. maybe i'll switch over. didn't know NISAN, NODAL, GAD or ARIE. liked PAD.

maybe it's just my imagination or i'm being forgetful (entirely possible) but it seems like there are fewer musical references in the new puzzles. today we had little EVA, MISTY, and monday I HAD friday on my mind. i like this gary moore cover.

i thought of LOOK DOWN as in, seem sad, rather than the physical position of one's head. you look down = you seem sad.

c.c. interesting question about redden .. i can't think of any other color that has a commonly used verb form. wonder why. all i can think of is yellowed, or maybe greened, as in a lawn.

Crockett1947 said...

Good morning, everyone.

@tfrank If REV is the abbreviation, what's the entire word? I can't come up with one.

@linda Hootyboop? If you say so. I surmise it has the same meaning as the others? Very nice repeat. Very nice repeat.

@tarrajo Glass blowers are found in all sorts of carnivals in the summer. I'd bet we have a half dozen or so on our Willamette River waterfront right now for our annual Rose Festival -- the 101st, I think. The fleet comes in today and it's also the Junior Parade at 1 in my area of town.

So, is a civil engineer a 104 engineer?

@maria No, 25% would probably not be enough, not DEE.

Getting weird in here, Buckeye, where the heck are you??


maria said...

c.c. i knew i forget something, inre, Glade or any other room sprays, forgeddaboudit !

If the house is not clean, the camouflaged smell will be worse.
Even the clean bathrooms, with perfumy add-ons absolutely nauseate me.

Clear Ayes said...

Good Morning All, What the heck was that? What the heck was that? (That definitely bears repeating!) There were no circle with Without what was apparently cleverly placed circles, the theme was impossible to get. I'm going to start using as Argyle has suggested.

I started off slowly because I never turn down the corner of a page, although I have been tempted lots of times. As far as my parents were concerned, DOG-EARRING a page was the next worse thing to book burning.

It was the short three letter fills like ZEE, IT I, INT, LOC, GAD and CIV that gave me the most trouble. As a former postal person, I only use two letter abbreviations for states, so IND was also a stopper. I had to have lots of perp help on this one.

Dennis, Best WOW yet! Time spent being depressed and worried about what we didn't do, can't do, should do, or won't have time to do is time wasted. It's too bad that people don't realize how short life is until we get into our 50's and 60's.

tarrajo, GAH and I saw some amazing glassblowing at the Waterford crystal factory in Ireland a couple of years ago.

Gag reflex?...HA HA?. I am trying to get the mental picture of sugar booger out of my head.

Carol, I remember getting Mrs. Stewart's bluing on my hands. I think it was on purpose, just to see what would happen. It took forever to fade out. My mother was pretty annoyed.

Anonymous said...

@Al, thanks for the definition of “double bagged.” I guess I will take what Dennis said about me never hearing that particular phrase as a compliment.

@Dennis, I thought I knew what distaff meant but looked up just the same. A new word for me as well.

@C.C. I meant to include this in my original post regarding codes. How about penal code? That one was for you Lemonade.

carol said...

Dennis (10:49) LOL...thanks!! You are so right, what a tease!

Crockett, the Jr.Parade passes within blocks of our house, hence (there is a word for us)the cars trying to find a place to park fill up the whole neighborhood. It's also best to plan any errands that involve driving because about an hour before the parade starts, getting through the area easily is impossible, due to road blocks and crowds. It is a fun thing though, and a very long tradition. It only lasts a few hours so no one is really inconvenienced unless they forgot to plan for it.

Tarrajo, I saw the word 'doodad' in another puzzle this morning so thought I would add it to our ever-growing list.

My new avitar (picture) is of a rose in a container on my patio. I couldn't resist taking a picture of it.

Crockett1947 said...

I don't remember who recommended Bananagrams as a good game, but "Thank You!" I picked up a game and we've been playing it with regularity.

Too bad the clue for 35A couldn't have been changed to reflect Arie's recent win.

@carol We're a block away from the no parking area for the parade staging area. I have to be somewhere at 1:30 today, so I'll have to do a wide circle to avoid the parade. It may be a tad bit inconvenient, but the kids have such a great time. Looks like the weather should be excellent for the parade.

kazie said...

I was admiring your rose earlier. It looks very nice.

Thanks for sámaforo. It's feu in French, and sometimes there's a resemblance between those two languages, so I was searching along those lines, but you're right--it's probably too long for a XW.

My peonies are just opening today for the first time this year. They are always so lovely until they start drooping with their own weight.

I have no recollection of any brand of blueing, but my mother used to add "blue" to the white laundry loads to brighten them. It came in a little muslin bag and would dissolve in the hot water.

Also, in Oz men often get into a "blue" with each other after having a few too many brews at the pub. Swagmen (hobos) used to "hump their blueys" (swags) on the trail. And people with red hair were often given the nickname "Blue(y)". Just a quirk of Oz humor, like calling people who were vertically challenged "Lofty", or tall people "Tiny".

tfrank said...


See my 11:03 post.

Andrea said...

Speaking of comfort foods, this might be a popular hangover cure in Evansville. Although my family hasn't gone back to visit Evansville for quite a few years, I remember my parents going to a place called Bockelmans whenever they needed to get their fix.

I'll take Tarrajo's cheeseburger instead!

Jerome said...

Clever theme from Peter. I also enjoyed the phrases TWO IN A ROW (which, oddly enough, REWED crosses) BLINKED AT, BE SAFE (which, oddly enough, VIOLENCE crosses) I'LL SEE, and the word SVELTE.

Chris is most definetly correct in stating that LOC is LOCAL.

DOG EAR is also a kind of wood fencing upright that has the top two corners cut off on an angle. The board ends up looking like a book page that's been dog earred.

Tarrajo- I'm with ya on the greasy cheeseburger as a hangover cure. However, mine goes down with a couple of beers. Probably why I'm far from SVELTE.

kazie said...

I have also found that greasy food is a good stomach settler--opposite ingredient to the acid. It helps with sea sickness too. Greasy pork chops or bacon and eggs are good.

SandbridgeKaren said...

I normally work the puzzle 1st thing in the a.m. but it was personal beautification morning so I just got to it. Thought for a moment I'd slept thru 2 days and it was Friday - just could not get significant traction - filled in answers all over the place but it didn't connect for me. My paper had circles and that's my excuse - the circles confused my pitiful brain. Almost wish I had a hangover - I'm with all the 'greasers' on that cure.

Jeanne - clever - but leaving it alone.

Dennis - huge shame on the 25%.

Tarrajo - if Dennis says you'll never be a double bagger, that's a HUGE compliment and take it as such.

MelissaBee - ?browned?

WM said...

Morning all...I'm with Dick and several others...this was just a tad more difficult than last has me concerned that we won't be getting the LAT back anytime too soon if they are perceived as being more difficult.

Couldn't get DOGEAR for a while because I never do it and tried to think of all the various things I have tucked into a book to mark my place. LOC meant local to me, caught INT, OSO,etc, but really didn't agree with MOPE. The themes were not too difficult even w/o the the circles.

XXX was actually the Brand Name of the first patented flour from a mill called Pataha Flour Mill in eastern WA in the 19th found fame in Bugs Bunny cartoons.

Crockett...just FYI the guys at the fair or working in booths making little figures by melting glass rods are not glass need a huge heat source, pipes, cutters, etc and annealing ovens to actually "blow" glass...I can't think of what that is called, but if I can find the term I will let you know...and I know that tarrajo wanted that as a DF comment...but some of us are also very "literal".

Dennis, thanks on the starred General thingie...I wanted LT. COL and never really realized it applied to Generals also...although that makes sense once you see it written out...

Well...Cloudy and cool and lovely here...lots to get accomplished. A Bientot.

weather321 said...

Gret puzzle. I don't try for themes or circled letters, it is all I can do to work the puzzle. Been out of town for a week. Hello treefrog, nice to have another Medfordite in here. The thunderstorms around here massacared my garden and flowers, still cleaning up, but the cooler weather (70s) is welcomed after the middle 90s of last week. Take care, Howard.

WM said... is called LAMPWORKING. Melting glass rods to sculpt objects as opposed to collecting melted silica and forming the object by blowing through a very long tube. DF' with that what you will.

JD said...

Good morning CC and all,

Love it! By the time I get here and read the blog, all the explanations that I need are already here.Needed all perp help today, but no "G-ing". Many V8 moments. Haven't seen/heard lickety split, dog earred, pad and gad about for years, and maybe galoot..LOl! Fun clues, but I had to finish rewed and mope with CC's help.

Good WOW today, Dennis.To add to the disgusting food talk (sheep eye balls in tomato juice and cow brain sandwich-YECH!!) in Jyllingue,Denmark today they are enjoying an Eel festival.I'm not fond of that critter,esp. when snorkeling.Kind of scarey.

Tarrajo, hanging herbs sounds like a great idea. I also dislike the pungent smell of sprays.

Sugarbooger, I think the deer/dog whatsamajigger was Carol's.

Carol, your rose is lovely, a Double Delight perhaps?

CA,lovely new picture! Did you tell us where?

Portland, enjoy your rose festival.
I'm dead heading today.

HomerDPoe sai said...

Hi. Do you know what happened to the Sunday Los Angeles Times Magazine Puzzle ? It says "The Magazine crossword puzzle is on hiatus.
The Times apologizes for any inconvenience."
Is that puzzle maybe available at another site?

Anonymous said...

I have not enjoyed any of this week's puzzles and today's was worst of all. And boring, even after I looked up the answers.

C.C. Burnikel said...

You misplaced your post. In any case, your puzzle is not available on line anywhere. Just on hiatus.

See here for the pronunciation of Xi'An.

Melissa the blog thing,
Whiten. Strange blue is verb.

melissa bee said...

@c.c.: whiten, good one. i think you have a better handle on english than i do. except for the sax/sex thing.

KittyB said...

Good afternoon, all.

Wow...what a change from yesterday's puzzle! There was a lot I didn't know, but all of it came from the fills, with the exception of the E in ARIE Luyendyk's name. I'm going to have to find a way to memorize this because I've seen it before. The same for OLLAS. I remember the links you sent us to months ago, C.C.

I liked the clue "Took another plunge" for REWED, and didn't care for "Look down" for MOPE. (Well, after reading the comments, I have a better appreciation of the clue.)

In general, I thought the upper half of the puzzle was easier than the lower half. I filled in a letter here, and a letter there, until it all fell.

tarrajo, thanks for the link last night to Steely Dan's Deacon Blues. I hadn't heard it before.

ChrisinLA, I filled in the correct letters for "It stops at each station," but I thought the answer was for Locomotive, rather than Local. Thanks for the explanation. (I see danabw and Linda AND Dennis AND Jazz thought the same.)

Has anyone suggested the word "widgit" for the odd term list?

Karen...thanks for asking about INT. I didn't understand it either.

tarrajo, I've watched glass blowers in the Ozarks, and my husband was a glass blower before we met. He still has glass rods in the basement for a project he hasn't gotten around to.

Lola, Lois will love the "loose knees" advice.
WOOT, Jeanne! Lois will love your comment even more! *G*
How did we get stuck on blowing things today?

treefrog, I would never call someone "stupid." It's reserved for behavior, or the government or things of that nature. But, my granddaughters are not old enough to make the distinction. When I use it, it's with great emphasis, as in, "That's So STU-PID!!!" If I don't curb it soon, I'll be in a perpetual dog house.

Carol, that's a beautiful rose.

kazie, my peonies are still opening, but the first to open have drooped. I'm going to cut an armful for vases in the house.

I tried to find the explanation of the XXX on flour sacks, without luck. Perhaps the X stood for ten pounds.

I've got to get to work! I'm late, I'm late! Hope you all enjoy the rest of the day.

Linda said...

Melissa!!!!Blackened red snapper!!! ( a double dip!)
Yellowed teeth!!!Whitened faces!!!Grayed photos!!!
Silvered locks!!!Purpled tongues(koolade)!!!

CA: That Sugar Booger thingy is not my favorite, either...But the one i really hate is "Fenale (fee-nail.)"

Crockett: "hooty boop, thingamahjig, doohicky," all, more or less interchangeable. Huisband had whole office/plant using "hootyboop" and "hooty" before he retired.
Just finished making 6 dozen peanut butter`d think grandkids were coming! (They might last 3 or 4 days!)

Carol: Don`t know what she used (bluing) but it was in a bottle with a stopper. She dyed her hair henna as long as GP lived. When he died, she let it go snowy white. My hubby and his twin both have gloriously white hair...not a trace of yellow! He`s always teasing me about getting some "Just for men!". He tired Grcian Formula did turn his hair yellow!

melissa bee said...

@linda: such colorful language!

KittyB said...

Well, DOH! Hang a sign around my neck and call me "Literal!"

WM, thanks for explaining to me that tarrajo's comment was intended to be DF.

I think I may be the original WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get) girl. In my defense, had I heard the post, I would have gotten it. It's just in reading that I seem to expect everything to be straight forward. I should really know better, when reading here.

And, WM, thanks for the info on the flour sacks.

WM said...

KittyB...S'ok...I am, at times, terribly literal and don't always "get it"...your WYSIWYG pretty much says it all for me also...along with CRS... :o]


Lola said...

Crockett: Barry Silk mentioned Bananagrams. I'm glad you found it enjoyable. I was thinking of getting one for myself. Where did you find yours? Thanks

carol said...

Andrea (12:36p) If I had to look at that sandwich for real, I'd be back in front of the porcelain throne!! LOL - It must be an acquired taste.

My bookmark is an old fashioned wooden clothes pin (the kind with the metal spring). I have had several people comment on it. It does work very well!

JD: I really don't know the name of the rose. My friend gave me two little plants for my birthday and they just had a generic tag with them, I re-potted them into large containers last year and they have become so large, they may have to go in the ground. The other is a pretty white.

CA: great new picture, we need the scoop! :)

Anonymous said...

I would like to say that I was trying to be DF on the glass blowing question, but not this time. I was just curious if anyone had ever seen anyone blow glass. I for one, have not. Besides, me DF???

Dennis said...


kazie said...

Glassblowing: When I was about 8-9 years old, my dad took me to our state fair in Sydney, known locally as the Royal Easter Show back then--Easter is in the Fall in Oz. We went to all the side shows and watched the glassblowers at work. We brought home two delicate pieces, one of which got broken a few years later, but the other, a swan with a really thin neck, I still have. It survived being packed with all the family crystal for the move here in 1974.

I have also watched it done several times in museums in Europe, and at Christmas markets in Germany. But I really don't understand the difference between that and lampworking.

treefrog said...

I forgot on my last post-
Taco Bell is a great hangover cure!! Make sure to get the big Pepsi too!!

There's lots of CRS going on around our house. What the heck, we usually remember eventually.

Chris in LA said...

For what it's worth, best hangover cure I've ever experienced is... cream.

Sounds gross, but a single scoop works like a charm in less than 10 minutes.

IMHO - and in my personal experience (New Orleans & all, y'all ;)

Sweet dreams!

WM said...

tarrajo...sorry, so this time YOU were literal...On the glassblowing...for real. Actual glassblowing is incredibly complicated work requiring a lot a different elements. When I was in college we had an industrial arts building that held the ceramics and glassblowing labs becuase both arts require exceedingly hot kilns/ovens. I did ceramics and we used to go watch the the glassblowers(who also rested, red-faced, on the floors of the hallways outside the labs).

Basically, you used a hollow pipe(usually over 4-6 feet long) to do a "gather" of melted silica and other minerals...the blower slowly blows air down the pipe as they turn or spin the pipe to center the work. As the work progresses colorants may be added and the piece may temporarily go back into the oven to soften again( often several times). There are various different tools that can be used to help shape the piece. At completion, the piece is lightly scored at the base of the pipe and tapped lightly to release it, at which point it goes into an annealing kiln/oven to stabilize the glass and make it less fragile. This kind of work is time consuming and often needs more than one person to control and help stabilize the piece depending on the size.

Lampwork is done with varying sizes of glass rods which may be clear or already colored. The rods are melted over an open flame(or LAMP) and oftentimes lovely, airy, delicate sculptures are formed. The glass sets when cooled and doesn't go through the annealing process. This is what you will most often see in Fairs, craft shows and and craft centers. If you see an actual glassblowing demonstration it will be in a GLASS HOUSE or FACTORY...such as CA mentioned in Ireland. Dale Chihooley(sp?) has an awesome glass house in, I think, Seattle WA. and as one of the foremost glassblowers in this country...has had a magnficent show touring the country. He, unfortunately, can no longer do the actual blowing because he lost an eye in an accident and has no depth perception...but the designs and concepts are his.

C.C. and appologies for the length of this post and I will make this #4 and #5 for me today. Hope this helpful.

Warren said...

Hi C.C. and gang, no circles on the online LAT so we were handicapped and only got 3/4 of the puzzle done without resorting to doing in red online. The bottom left corner was the hardest.

With all of the talk about glass blowers today I thought I put in my 2 cents. I took a class in glass blowing in college but never got into it because it's a lot of hot sweaty work.

In 1997 we were in Halifax, Nova Scotia for a photo trip and encountered our first hurricane. See:halifax

and:Hurricane Juan
for more detail.

The most interesting thing the day after the storm (besides no power and such) was the local glass blowers kept on working like nothing had happened. I think that this was a volume style of glass blowing, we watched them put out lots of the same type of glassware.

KittyB said...

WM, we had the chance to see several of Dale Chihuly's pieces at a botanic garden south of Miami in February this year. He was also featured at the Chicago Flower and Garden Show on Navy Pier a number of years ago. Once you see some of his work, you are likely to recognize it in the future; it's very distinctive.

Years ago, Dear Husband worked for a company that made one of a kind Pyrex research pieces. He learned the trade from German glass blowers who had worked for the company for decades. Those German glass blowers had a tradition of blowing a glass swan to acknowledge the birth of a child, so DH tried his hand at it. DH hasn't worked for the glass company in ages, and all he has left is the lamp and glass rods for lampwork.

Anonymous said...

Good afternoon, all.
Dennis, my husband who was a staff sgt. in the army, didn't know Lt. Gen. But he was stationed in Toolie(?), and there probably were no generals who went there. (I know I've misspelled it, but don't know how to find it quickly.) Printed out your info for his edification.

I too don't like the clue for mope. Didn't get it. Had "fact" instead of "esse", which I still don't understand.

SandbridgeKaren said...

ChrisinLA - thanks for the hangover cure idea. Never tried ice cream but I'm always up for ice cream anytime of the day. May try overindulging tonite just to try your cure. Any flavors work better than others?

KittyB - have you seen Dale Chihuly's glass work at the Bellagio in Vegas. Stunning beyond belief - such talent and imagination. Every time I go there I stop and stare and see things I hadn't noticed before.

Anonymous said...

Piece of cake today, circles and all. Finished it 'lickety split'. Like a five star general.

Argyle said...

The information about Bananagrams came from Interview with Barry Silk (Sequel) on May 23, 2009

Anonymous said...

P.S. C.C.: The Naples News had circles. Didn't help me get lickety-split, even tho I had silence and honor.

KQ said...

Hello, hello. No circles online. Would you get them if you printed out the puzzle? I do that sometimes, but no time to today.

Needed a few letters filled in and then the rest came with perps and doh moments. Fun puzzle. I am guessing if I had the paper in front of me and the circles I would have gotten the theme.

Interesting all this talk about hangovers. How about eating sliders from White Castle as a cure? I never did, but dated quite a few men who did when I was younger. Interesting, a Jeopardy category today was all about alcohol and hangovers.

Loved having LIKE THE DICKENS in there. I had a friend who recently told her high school son to "swim like the dickens" because she felt he could go so much faster than he was. I just laughed as I hadn't heard that term in years. But he had his best time ever that race, so I guess it worked. Liked ZEE and GUN and SEX AND VIOLENCE too. Certainly a workable puzzle.

Warren, when you were in Halifax did they have anything related to the great explosion of 1917? I read a historical novel related to that (don't remember the name). Fascinating. Many people were blinded as they were watching the fire near the pier when the ships full of explosives went off, and they were hit by the glass shattering in the windows. Here is a link if anyone is interested. Halifax Explosion

Off to more of my sons baseball games. Not a lot of time these days.

Jerome said...

Sallie- "Look down" as a clue for MOPE is a bit tricky. Down meaning sad. Since it's a Wednesday puzzle clues will have a little more word play than earlier in the week.

In esse is Latin for in existence. Hence the clue "In__:actually" Nope, not at all a fun phrase, but you're going to see Latin words in a lot of puzzles. Also, TITANS and SVELTE form the se of esse, so it's actually a pretty good tradeoff- two good words for a so-so one.

Andrea said...

For all the blown glass lovers -

We have a beautiful
Dale Chihuly glass sculpture at the Kohl Center here in Madison, the venue where the UW Badgers play basketball and hockey.

Clear Ayes said...

I was going through some photos from our last visit to Sweden and came across this one of both GAH and me. Usually we wind up taking photos of each other, but this time we had one of my cousins giving us a tour and she took the picture.

It was June, 2007 and the tour was of the Flogberget mines. The mines are no longer worked, so it is open to visitors. The vistas are fabulous.

Typical Swedish scenery..."Ho Hum, look, there's another beautiful green forest. Look, there's another crystal clear lake." No wonder the Swedes felt at home when they migrated to Minnesota and Wisconsin. The bonus was that the winters were just as freezing cold and bone chilling as the ones they had left in Sweden. Swedes are a hardy lot!

Anyway, Flogberget is located in the county of Dalarna, west and a little north of Stockholm. Dalarna is a mining area and the copper mines at Falun are the oldest (since 1288) still-working company in the world.

KittyB said...

SBKaren, how is the Chihuly glass sculpture at the Bellagio presented? His work is so fragile you'd think it would need to be protected, but I've seen it displayed in outdoor gardens! We haven't been to Las Vegas, as you can tell.

Andrea1263, thanks for the link.

On the subject of hangovers, I could be dying and I wouldn't eat a slider!

Jeanne said...

Chihuly-Bellagio is a picture of the glass flowers on the ceiling of the Bellagio lobby. If you look up Chihuly at Bellagio you can see other pictures. However, none capture the incredible beauty of the delicate glass flowers.

Jazzbumpa said...

I worked for a glass company for 17 long, miserable years. No blowing though - we made windshields, and other auto windo glass.

Here is a view of glassblowing.

This brings glass and blowing together in a way that defies DF*.

Cheers, from the resident trombonist.
* The terrifying thing about this is I actually let my slide fall off the horn at rehearsal Mon night. Never happened to me before.

Anonymous said...

Andrea and Jeanne thanks for the links to Chihuly's works. They are beautiful. WM thanks for the indepth art lesson on glassblowing and lampwork.

Regarding Chihuly's work though...the Mendota wall reminds me of conception and the Bellagio ceiling reminds me of the cells splitting.

@Jazzbumpa, perhaps your slide falling off your horn may have caused this?

@Dennis, see I did want to know about glassblowing. Not sure what you "choked" on but hope you are okay.

Anonymous said...

Couldn't get the theme without the circles. Thanks to CC I had the answers when I came to the Blog site.

The hand blown glass pumpkins at our local High School's Oct. Pumpkin Festival is a sight to behold. It is hard not to want to buy everything I see. I limit myself to one or two each year. My collection may get too big to display one of these years.

Our youngest daughter graduated last Friday from the UCSF School of Nursing. Now she gets to put NP Nurse Practitioner) after her name. Not that we are proud or anything!

Linda said...

CA: So...your sig.oth. has a white beard? Can hardly tell.

Just a reminder...we have a BD coming up next month. How shall we celebrate?

Chihuly`s work is always gorgeous! And with only one eye...many of his floral pieces are from memories of his mother`s garden.

Chickie: My congratulations for your daughter`s achievement.

So for me..."To sleep, perchance to dream..."

carol said...

KittyB: what is a slider????

Tarrajo: at 7:42p LOL - that was great!!
and unless there was a guy named Mr.Glass, you don't have a thing to worry about on the DF side.

lois said...

Holy Blowing Hot wick! Let me get this straight. We have sex and violence, blowing, blueing (sp?), hangovers, 25% of dick as a shame (LOL),loose knees, and sliders. My kind of night! My sympathies to Jazz for his 'slideless horn'. It happens. Lubricate, hold tight and don't forget to breathe...then in honor of today - repeat again
and again...etc. What a night!

Jazzbumpa said...

Carol -

I'm not sure what slider means to anyone else, but to me it means this.

carol said...

OMG - Lois I knew you'd come (hee,hee) through for us! What, I say, what a hoot of a comment!! You are still queen!

Zazzbumpa: thanks, that was great!

That's 5 and a wrap for Wednesday...see you all tomorrow :)

Anonymous said...

Thanks for all the Chihuly links. His work is unbelievable. I saw a great exhibit of his work at the Plains Art Museum in Fargo ND a few years ago, along with a video of the creation/production process of the pieces. Very interesting. BTW, the Plains is well worth a visit if anyone is up there. Located in a restored tractor factory. Wasn't a Chihuly piece in Fraser's apartment on "Fraser," located just to the right of the fireplace?

KQ said...

I got this from the following website. A Hamburger TodayA good explanation.

"A slider is something very specific. It is not just a mini hamburger. It's a thin, thin slip of beef, cooked on a griddle with onions and pickles piled atop patty. The steam from the onions does as much cooking as the griddle. The buns are placed atop the onions, absorbing the pungent aroma and flavor."

Many of the chains are now featuring "sliders". These guys contend that they are just mini-burgers, nor real sliders. The version they are talking about are served at White Castles. I repeat, I never ate them. Happy eating.

Jeannie said...

I can't help but to chime in here...Burger King is now serving "Burger Buddies." Just another pain in my side...along with the upcoming Transformer game pieces, that is following up with the stupid Star Trek glasses I can't keep in stock.

Tarrajo, you crack me up. Are you my little sister? Someone has to keep Dennis on his toes.

Good to "read" you Carol, Lois, MelissaBee, WM, Kazie, Linda, WM and all....If I missed someone sorry.

KittyB said...

Chickie, congratulations to both you and your daughter. May she have a long and successful practice.

Jeanne, thanks for the link for Bellagio's Chihuly. His work is astonishing.

Carol, KQ has given you a description of a slider. In the Chicago area, a slider is the affectionate term for a White Castle hamburger. The burgers are small, and the meat has holes punched into it, so that the patty cooks completely through fairly quickly. The onions are very finely diced. The bun is soft and puffy. What they left out in the the description is the grease. For most people, a slider will just slide right on through. My Dad loved sliders and my husband carries on in his memory.

Jazz...I hope your slide didn't get dented!

PJ said...

The XX, XXX, or XXXX on sacks of flour or sugar indicate how fine the product is milled.