Nov 14, 2017

Tuesday, November 14, 2017 ~ Janice Luttrell

Theme: Commonality - The reveal shows how the target word, FLAT, can be FINNISHed by the first word of the starred answers.

16A. *2010 Grammy winner for Best Metal Performance: IRON MAIDEN. Flat iron.

39A. *TV cooking competition hosted by Padma Lakshmi: TOP CHEF. Flat top.

10D. *Started a construction project: BROKE GROUND. Flat broke.

24D. *Money-saving investment accounts: TAX SHELTERS. Flat tax.

59A. Paint choice ... and what the first word of the answers to starred clues can literally be: FLAT FINISH

Argyle here. Janice has a nice Tuesday level offering. Classic pinwheel grid.


1. Fancy pillowcase: SHAM. What is a sham? Here

5. Not as expensive: LESS

9. Stats for sluggers: RBIs

13. Lotto variant: KENO

14. Actress Davis played by Susan Sarandon in TV's "Feud": BETTE. "Feud" was a television series on FX.

15. "Alice's Restaurant" singer Guthrie: ARLO

18. Opinion sampling: POLL

19. 2,000 pounds: TON

20. French possessive: SES. French - his.

21. __-Ball: midway game: SKEE

22. Discreetly, in slang: ON THE DL. "On the down low" unfortunately, has a sexual slang meaning. LIU, if you want.

26. Nag, nag, nag: PESTER

28. Black-eyed __: PEAs

29. Electrified particle: ION

31. Without an escort: STAG

32. Bygone Honda sports car: CR-X

                         Full race mode.

33. Impassive type: STOIC

35. Dry-sounding deodorant brand: ARRID

38. ICU drips: IVs

41. Sch. in Columbus: OSU. Ohio State University--Columbus, OH. We recently had the OSU in Corvallis, OR.

                              Wexner Medical Center

42. Tiny laugh: TE-HEE. I prefer TEE-HEE.

44. Bundle of papers: SHEAF

45. Put into service: USE

46. Airline to Tel Aviv: EL AL

48. Flub it: ERR

49. Letter-shaped hardware item: T-NUT

50. Sinuous ski race: SLALOM

52. Gets in the way of: IMPEDES

54. H.S. exams: SATs. Paper-based standardized test, originally called the Scholastic Aptitude Test, now just S A T.

55. Dripping: WET

57. SEAL's org.: USN

58. Tech news site: CNET

64. Longfellow's "The Bell of __": ATRI

65. Standoffish: ALOOF

66. Just sitting around: IDLE

67. Pear variety: BOSC

    Alright, who's the wise guy?

68. Mix, as a salad: TOSS

69. What Simon does: SAYS


1. Word before bum or bunny: SKI

2. "Tell __ About It": Billy Joel hit: HER

3. "That's __-brainer!": A NO

4. Wall calendar pages: MONTHS

5. Welcoming prop on "Hawaii Five-O": LEI

6. Scheduled takeoff hrs.: ETDs

7. Opposite of cheap: STEEP

8. Taste and touch, e.g.: SENSES

9. Nas or Nelly: RAP STAR

11. More green around the gills: ILLER. Ugh!

12. Shoe bottom: SOLE

14. Old Western villain: BANDITO

17. "The Simpsons" bartender: MOE

22. Footnote ref.: OP CIT. "in the work cited."

23. __-racking: very stressful: NERVE

25. Belt holders: LOOPS

27. Chief of __: Army leader: STAFF

30. Wall recess: NICHE

33. Make off with: STEAL

34. Sorbonne sweetie: CHERI. Mon ami.

36. Point to debate: ISSUE

37. Collaborative 1993 Sinatra album: DUETS

40. Half a winter warmer: EARMUFF

43. Stretchy: ELASTIC

47. Like 1% milk: LOW FAT

49. Wimbledon sport: TENNIS

50. __ Domingo: Dominican capital: SANTO

51. __ Yello: soft drink: MELLO

53. 23rd Greek letter: PSI

54. Picket line crosser: SCAB

56. New Mexico town known for its art scene: TAOS

60. Lean-__: shacks: TOs

61. Wash. neighbor: IDA.

62. Tricky: SLY

63. Guys: HEs



fermatprime said...


Thanks to Janice and Santa!

Didn't get the theme, otherwise everything OK.

Really hate ILLER every time I see it! CRX was perped.

Hope to see you all tomorrow!

desper-otto said...

Good morning!

The guy who didn't get the theme is the same guy who didn't read the complete reveal clue. Some things never change. Thought I'd blown it when I saw D beside L, but it worked out OK. Thanx, Janice and Argyle. This one did not fall flat.

OwenKL said...

FIR easily enough, but needed the reveal to get the theme. Bah!

With the CHERI just behind the MUFF, the salacious l'ick possibilities were tempting!

The STOIC pol said the POLL was the proofer,
A politician could win, tho ALOOFER!
But the photo ISSUE of note
That cost him the vote
Involved him, a WET nymph, and a loofah!

The SLY wolf in the bar would practice his way
To sweet-talk the ladies with what he would SAY!
He would call them CHERI'S,
PESTER with flatteries,
"Like a flower, you'd make a spectacular LEI!"

{B+, B-.}

Hahtoolah said...

Good Morning, Argyle and friends. Fun Tuesday puzzle. I got the IRON MAIDEN immediately, and for a millisecond thought of Iron Chef, before TOP CHEF, but not enough spaces.

Like D-O, I was momentarily sidelined by the DL at then of a clue, but the BANDITO and LOOPS were the only logical and correct perp answers. I have heard the expression On The Down Low, but never the shortened version of DL.

Contractors are repairing my carport that was damaged when my 150-year live oak tree decided to stop being live and fell over in the middle of the night a few weeks back. Fortunately, the carport was strong enough to protect our cars and the tree didn't fall on the house and cause worse damage.

QOD: If you are young and you drink a great deal, it will spoil your health, slow your mind, make you fat – in other words, turn you into an adult. ~ P.J. O’Rourke (b. Nov. 14, 1947)

Jinx in Norfolk said...

FIR with no erasures, a rarity for me. Except for RAP STAR all the music was right in my wheelhouse for a change. Alice's Restaurant is a must-play every thanksgiving. I don't think my BH is as enamored of it as I am. I love Ol' Blue Eyes' "Mack the Knife" with Jimmy Buffett on DUETS II. And any day that starts with a reference to Billy Joel is a good day, IMO. In my ute I liked IRON Butterfly better than IRON MAIDEN. Now I'm not too big on either.

Hahtoolah, I've been big fan of P.J. since his his National Lampoon days. "Parliament of Whores" should be required reading in high schools across the country.

Hand up for disliking ILLER, but on balance it was a fine, if easy, puzzle. My favorite was "nag, nag, nag" for PESTER. Thanks Janice for another fun creation. And thanks Santa for the tour.

WikWak said...

Hand up for hating ILLER, and I'm also not so fond of HES (shes, too). Otherwise this was a fun romp through the cruciverbal maze. I got to the reveal and "Wait. What? Some of the clues were starred?" I was on such a roll that I wasn't even aware that some of the clues were so marked. I had been wondering about not seeing a theme...

Thanks, Janice, and thanks to Argyle too. Have a great day, all.

D4E4H said...

OSU, my initial institute of higher learning in 1962. I was going to be an engineer, but I ran low on funds before my grades got too low. Thirty-three years later I graduated from the University of KY, Magna Cum Lazy with a BS as a Physical Therapist. Who knows where life will carry one.

Thanks Argyl for B. J. and the ______ s. that had every sight gag possible in addition to being good for my ears.


Marshall Mathers said...

No one is ILLER than me.
I mean no one. No one is ILLER than me.
This is Eminem coming from the 313.

SwampCat said...

Perfect Tuesday. Thanks, Janice. And Argyle thanks for explaining DL. Never heard of it, nor the longer version, but crosses were firm.

I agree that ILLER as a word makes me ill, but it seems to fill in easily in CWs so I get used to it. And Im not joining the TEHEE or tepee wars!

Owen, both were chuckle-worthy!

Hahtoolah, now I understand what happened to me. I didn't get old, I just drank too much! Hehehehe

PK said...

Hi Y'all! Fun & fast, Janice, Thanks! Thanks, Argyle!

FLAT got 'er done! Slowed down (not LOW DOWN) with ON THE DL. I had _N_H_DL which stumped me. Never have seen OP CITE. (OPus?) CRX? TAX SHELTER -- had to go to the bottom and work back up. (I was wanting something akin to Money Market account.) Finally had to red-letter run O_T & C_X. No TEHEE from me there. (TEHEE, again?) In all that confusion, I couldn't get MONTHS. Duh!

Hand up for never using ILLER. I don't even use ILL in speaking. We say "sick". Sicker sounds better to me but didn't fit.

Whew, Hahtoolah, glad you didn't have more damage from your tree fall.

Irish Miss said...

Good Morning:

I breezed through this so quickly that I didn't see some of the down answers, which means I missed seeing "iller"; too bad it couldn't have remained missed. Ditto to Argyle's "ugh." Other than that, it was a fun solve and a typical JL theme. I, too, needed the reveal to get the theme. I had no w/os but needed perps in a few places. Oh, I take that back on the w/os; I had On the QT first.

Thanks, Janice, for a Tuesday treat and thanks, Argyle, for guiding us along.

I have to go to a wake tonight and the funeral tomorrow morning for my best friend's aunt. She was only about 11 or 12 years older, so, growing up, she was more like a big sister to our circle of friends.

Have a great day.

Anthony Gael Moral said...

Can't understand why "On the DL" was not clued "Injured in baseball," etc. Any ideas?

Spitzboov said...

Good morning everyone.

Late getting here because I also did C.C.'s cw in today's WSJ first. (It's worth the romp if you've got time and access.)

Mostly quite easy, but I had to Google the C in CRX. Never heard of the DL; usually hear or use "On the QT". So, a new learning.
FLAT TOP. Totally in the language, but we would refer to it as "the Carrier" or, if it was part of our operating group, by name such as "The Randolph" or "The Valley Forge". Slang-wise, an aircraft carrier was sometimes referred to as "The bird farm".

Welcome aboard, D4E4H. Good to broaden the gene-pool.

Abejo said...

Good morning, folks. Thank you, Janice Luttrel, for a fine puzzle. Thank you, Argyle, for a fine review.

Got through fairly easily. After FLAT FINISH I got the theme.

Agree, ILLER is a clumsy word.

Never heard of ON THE DL in my life. Always ON THE QT. I got the right answer with perps.

OP CIT and CRX crossing was a wag for me.

Did not know RAS or NELLY. RAP STAR appeared with perps.

I got CHERI (amazing) but SES was perped.

Have to run. See you tomorrow.


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Yellowrocks said...

Easy puzzle. I needed the reveal to understand the theme.
Anthony, I agree that for a Tuesday, injured in baseball would be a better clue for ON THE DL.
I used op cit plenty of times as I studied for my MA degree. We wrote tons of papers in every course. A fellow student and I took the same class for writing our Master's theses where we both were graded A. We followed the given style manual and received no complaints about our bibliographies. The next semester we happened to be in another class together and the teacher found a great deal of fault with our bibliographies which followed that manual. Sheesh!
BETTE Davis is one of my favorites. I have watched almost all of her old movies on TV or on Netflix.
I had 1987 Honda CRX, very sporty, easy on gas and it had great handling. It was not all tricked out like the example car in the expo. The disadvantage was that it was only a two seater.
We recently bought Alan a new comforter with matching shams. The last time this term came up, some people thought they were very posh. Not so. You find shams in most stores that sell bedding and all over the internet. Lower end stores like Walmart and Target carry them, as well.
To me a flat top is a male haircut, "a type of short haircut where the hair on the top of the head is usually standing upright and cut to form a flat-appearing deck."

desper-otto said...

Spitz, slang-wise we referred to her as "the ole rust-bucket."

Yellowrocks said...

PS, the common Roth IRA is a tax shelter.

Husker Gary said...

-I enjoyed reading yesterday’s late postings this morning and want to add this 1980 stat to the discussion. Close but no cigar.
-We have yet to get down to Omaha’s pricey but great FLATIRON Cafe
-Have the POLLS ever been so wrong as last year?
-Sometimes subs confront a SHEAF of papers with this note: “you can correct these if you want”
-The cadet yesterday has a lab where 90% of the 8th graders were IDLE. Yikes!
-For me, learning footnoting was tedious and worthless in my life
-Today you can at least USE this Word feature
-A FLAT TOP haircut was a dime extra in my ute!

Lucina said...

Thanks, Janet. Fun puzzle. WEES. I finished in no time FLAT.

SES eluded me so left a blank cell and I, too, dislike ILLER.

Misty and AnonT: did you use BOSC pears in the salad? It looks gorgeous, BTW.

Hand up for no knowledge of ONTHEDL.

Thanks, Argyle. Love the photos.

Have a lovely day, everyone! I need coffee.

C6D6 Peg said...

Easy puzzle for Tuesday. Smooth with no hiccups. Thanks, Janice.

Argyle, thank you always for taking me to places unknown. You never disappoint!

Our leader, C.C. is featured in WSJ today. Great puzzle!

Misty said...

Great Tuesday puzzle, and I got the whole thing today without any erasures--great relief after yesterday. Even got the theme without any problem. There were some unknowns for me--ATRI, CRX, DL, but perps helped. Also not crazy about ILLER, but after all this discussion it's part of my vocabulary. So, many thanks, Janice! And always great write-up, Argyle.

Hahtoolah, so glad your cars are okay.

Welcome to the blog, Dave.

YR, I too think of FLAT TOP as a hair cut.

Liked your second limerick, Owen.

Irish Miss, so sorry to hear about the loss of a close friend.

Lucina, thanks for the kind words--not sure I know what a BOSC pear is or have ever had one. Will have to look for one to check it out it.

Have a great day, everybody!

CrossEyedDave said...

Had a tough time with this one,
several WAGs successful, but opcit/CRX crossing was a total Natick for me.

Atri was perped, and still didn't ring a bell...

So, FIW!

Public Service msg: Here is a new tape
that is perfect for flat finish gift wrap!

Also, I need to find this T-Shirt in Mens Grey to wear at the next NYC Marathon...

Misty said...

Am having a new computer installed today. Hope it doesn't mess anything up. If you don't hear from me again, that's probably the cause--but I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Jayce said...

Nice puzzle; I enjoyed it. The puzzle by C.C. in the WSJ today is pretty good, too.

Okay, Argyle, what is LIU? (I'm really bad at these abbreviations. I get benevolent flack from people to whom I text using fully spelled out expressions.)

PK said...

Jayce, I think Argyle meant "look it up".

Years ago I saw an Oprah show on which "ON THE DOWNLOW" was mentioned. At that time it was a black term for someone who was "still in the closet" about "liking" someone of the same sex. Who knows what the term has evolved to any more. No I didn't look it up. The sexual connotation was one of the reasons I couldn't figure out the clue in today's puzzle. The way it was used on Oprah, I thought it wouldn't appear in a cw edited by Rich.

Argyle said...

Don't blame me! Yellowrocks said (November 6, 2017) "I suggest a new abbreviation for the corner LIU, meaning you could Look It Up."

Could be very useful text though. I like it.

Lucina said...

I'm with you on spelling words even in texting. One of my sisters also does and we get plenty of teasing from the younger generation.

I need one of those t-shirts!

Tinbeni said...

Argyle: Good job on the write-up.

Janice: Thank you for a FUN Tuesday puzzle. I enjoyed the "FLAT" theme.

Needed ESP (Every-Single-Perp) to get Longfellow's "The Bell of ATRI."
Learning moments are always a plus!

CED ... I want one of those T-Shirts.


Ol' Man Keith said...

I agree with Argyle's "Ugh" at the fill for 11D. Double "Ugh"!

Otherwise, my thanks go to Janice Lutrell for a solid piece of Crosswordery. It guided me to a sweet Ta- DA! w/o a single pause or hesitation.

(Misty, your generous acceptance of ILLER shows your full membership in the cruciverbal world. But even while you may overcome your resistance to such strained answers, please feel free to express a hearty disdain for their inclusion in RL speech.)

PK, thanks for the news on your grandson. I sincerely hope they can pin down the mystery disease soon! As for scoliosis, it's not the worst thing that could happen, although it isn't great for an athletic youth. I empathize, as I have a bit of an "S" curve myself, compounded by spinal stenosis. But it's par for the course at my age. I should think at his young years they can offer a corrective plan or some compensatory exercises - after they come up with a diagnosis for the other symptoms. Here's wishing him well!

Yellowrocks, my wife keeps a supply of SHAMs on hand, and I appreciate the "look" they bring to our bedding. The only drawback is that it takes time to "offload" the various additional decorative pillows whenever we need to sleep, or even nap.
Up until our marriage I always understood the answer to 1A differently. To me, this sort of thing was a SHAM.

Ol' Man Keith said...

I don't need to tell you (even though I'm doing so!) to be sure your new computer installer does not leave your premises until all your questions are answered.

The installer should look over your shoulder while you boot and re-boot and go online and download something.

Good luck! Are you PC or Mac?

CanadianEh! said...

Enjoyable Tuesday CW today. Thanks Janice and Argyle.
I had to go back to see the starred clues to get the theme. Not necessary to the solve so AnonPVX should be happy.

I thought that ON THE DL might be a slang term that as a Canadian I was not used to hearing. But it seems that a lot of the Cornerites are not familiar with it and I can't claim a regional disadvantage.
We have expressed our disapproval of ILLER here before (and HES for Guys is not a favourite either).

I noted TEHEE again; also noted a CSO to CMOE.
Enjoyed the cross of LESS=not as expensive and STEEP=opposite of cheap.
Inconsistent English spelling gives us STEEP and cheap and SHEAF.
STEEP is also used in reference to making tea (to be done with boiling water in a teapot for this Canadian).

IM, sorry for the loss of a close friend.
PK, hope the doctors can find the cause of your grandson's illness and get him on the road to recovery.
CED, that T-shirt is hilarious.
OMK, my DH has a limit of the number of SHAMs and pillows that are allowed because he hates "off-loading" them.
Misty, good luck with the new computer. I have a basket of BOSC pears in my frig. I will have to try your salad too.

Enjoy the day

Irish Miss said...

Misty and CanadianEh ~ Thank you for your kind words.

Husker Gary said...

Musings 2
-I too enjoyed Dave’s T-Shirt. You can find one here

AnonymousPVX said...

Rather an easy outing, a nice puzzle ILLER notwithstanding.

D4E4H said...

I am really enjoying B. J. and the Affordables. They have taken me back to high school, and local dances. As a youth, and on my own desire, I took a local course in ballroom dancing. My first date was with a cheerleader who had also been in the class, and the rest is DWTS history.

Argyle, and Jayce, You look like me, full of facial hair, quite handsome.

C. E. Dave 11:48, I look straight into the future, so I'm the other Dave.

OMK 2:13 All I have to do for a nap is to straighten the counterpane. SHAMs are a shame.

As Leonard said (Big Bang Theory) "We're also getting new curtains for my bedroom, and a dust ruffle, and a duvet, and I don't even know what a duvet is but I'm pretty sure if I did I wouldn't want one..."


Wilbur Charles said...

IM, so sorry about your friend's aunt.

Owen, I thought you might be getting into X-rated territory. 😏

Gary. We also have Tony Gwynn on the near 409 list. It may have been the strike year. LIU? OK. 394 in the strike shortened 1994 season. Btw, I hate Wikipedia.

Oh the xword. I thought it was difficult until I warmed up and flew through. Then I checked the theme. The down-low is not new just ON THE DL.

As AGM said, and CC would concur, ON THE DL is classic baseball. Speaking of...

Gary, don't forget Tony Gwynn and his .394 at the point of the strike shutdown in 1994. Teddy Ballgame hit 388 in a season where he was thrown out from right field a dozen times.

They should have outlawed shifts in 1946 when Lou Boudreau employed it the first time.

Billy Ballgame signing out

Michael said...

I share in the Corner's distaste for such entries as "ILLER" or "HES", but it needs to be noted that if we are going to have 'themes' -- which distort the cwd to make the themed answers work and fit -- then we also and equally have to have these abominably misbegotten awkwardnesses.

It has to balance: you can't have one without the other. (IMHO, and all that.)

Dan said...

My wife and I left our wedding with tin cans tied to the back of her CRX. She loved that 2 seater.
Never heard of OPCIT. I had OPCIH because I thought it was HEHEE, not TEHEE.
Tried hard to figure the theme before I filled in FLATFINISH.
Hadn’t thought of ARRID for years.
Liked EARMUFF. I was thinking of half of a two-word holiday drink, not a literal warmer.
Easy Tuesday though.

Anonymous T said...

Hi All!

Thank you Janice; quite the crunchy Tuesday puzzle. The center was last to fall w/ CHERI xing SHEAF xing NICHE. Almost a FIW 'cuz I had NoC - a last minute switch to an I got me a FIW.

Thanks Argyle for the expo and the Billy Joel.

WO: that O in what was going to be nooks...
Fav: BANDITOs [4m]. I love that song; it rocks and it's funny...*

WEES re: ILLER. I feel a bit ILL but if it gets worse, I'm sick.
HES OTHH (On The Other Hand for you long texters :-)), could be clue'd "For _ a jolly..." if needed in a pinch.

{B, A}

Lucina - nope, a normal green-pear is what I used. I shoulda asked Misty if it was to be a BOSC.

Hahtoolah - Good news(ish) about the carport saving the cars.

I've heard & use ON THE DL but never knew it to have sexual connotations. I always associated as action (covert) instead of verbal (secret) - Do it ON THE DL and keep in ON THE QT - It's hush, hush. That gives me an idea for another link [Deep Purple '69 live].

OMK beat me to what I think about extraneous pillows - they're a SHAM!

Cheers, -T
*The song is about planning a bank-heist South of the border and how easy it will be "Everybody knows, the world is full of stupid people so meet me at the Mission, we'll divvy it up there..." [Repeat] "I've got the pistol, so off with the pesos; yeah that seems fair"

Picard said...

Some unknowns: CRX (only know CRV), ON THE DL, ATRI, DUETS as clued, SHAM as clued. Learning moment that is what those annoying extra pillows are called! I never know where to put them or what they are for!

Once again our friend ARLO visits.

Here I got to be with ARLO up close and personal as my friend Dick Flacks interviewed him in 2005

My fondest memory of ARLO was seeing him perform at a free concert when I was a college student with no money.

I can never hear of SANTO DOMINGO without thinking of this chilling song by Phil Ochs about the Marine invasion there in 1965.

Thank you, Lucina, for the kind words about my photos yesterday. I hope people got to see my Sunday post with photos of YOYO MA. And the amazing video of DICK VAN DYKE right in front of me last year. Still dancing around at age 90!

Misty said...

Ol'Man Keith, I'm sending this on my new computer, so if you get this message, it must be working. But it was a long exhausting process for my technician and took on and off all day. So I worried if I'd ever make it back to the Corner this week. But, thank goodness, so far so good!

PK said...

AnonT: the only green-when-ripe pears I know of are Bosc. Maybe they weren't so marked in the store though.

OMKeith, My grandson is on a therapy program for the scoliosis. I'm glad. I would prefer he not have to wear a brace like my daughter's best friend all through ElHi. She had a severe scoliosis and had to wear an uncomfortable metal & leather brace even when she slept. Her parents & teachers were very strict about it. They called it the IRON MAIDEN. She was usually in my car when we took out-of-town trips. There would be a rustling in the back seat and she would be down on the car floor taking off the IRON MAIDEN. I didn't think she would be injured by performing at music contest without the contraption so I didn't scold her. She has the straightest posture of anyone I know today, so it helped.

Picard: Yes, I enjoyed seeing all your celebrity pictures. I am in awe of your picture clarity because as a "photojournalist" for rural area newspapers for 20 years, I had a constant struggle with picture reproduction. Our pictures went through 7 processes from the gotcha click to hot off the presses. Screw up any one of the processes and the end product was less than desirable. All the pictures were the black and white in those days and it was a constant learning process. A few years I did my own darkroom which I really enjoyed when I got good at it. The years I had a photo lab tech were frustrating.

Anonymous T said...

PK - When I looked at the Wiki for BOSC they looked brown. Regardless, I just went and looked at the sticker - they're Bartlett pears.

C.C.'s WSJ got me (the corner store still had one!). The bird xing the actor... Oh, boy my bad guesses 'led to' a big FIW. Thanks C.C.!

Picard - I've enjoyed all the pics and today's ARLO...Cool, man. Like Jinx, Alice's Restaurant is a staple of Thanksgiving in my kitchen. The Girls also like what they call "The Pickle Song."

Misty - welcome back to the 21st century :-) Glad it all went well today [you'll still find little gotchas]

I just learned from Army Bro - he's back from Puerto Rico. I heard from other Bro and he's in TX so he's driving here tonight to crash b/f meetings tomorrow. Fun!

Cheers, -T

Nice Cuppa said...

A blast from the past. Donovan in 1966


Misty said...

Thank you, AnonT--I'll try to brace myself for those "gotchas".

Misty said...

My computer's a PC, Ol'Man Keith.

PK said...

AnonT: I stand corrected on the pears as shown by Mr. Google.

Pat S said...

Am I the only once forced to look up the 2010 Grammy for best metal performance, which was Judas Priest! It was not Iron Maiden, which one in 2011. Pop culture continues to elude me. I know nothing about either performer.

Pat S said...

Won, not one! Hate auto correct.

Argyle said...

Don't confuse when a performer receives an award with the year that the award is for. Iron Maiden received at the 2011 Grammys the award for Best Metal in 2010.

Pat S said...

I appreciate that comment Argyle and didn’t focus on that subtlety. . The clue was *2010 Grammy winner for Best Metal Performance“. At best it’s ambiguous. It’s fair to infer that the words “2010 Grammy” refers to awards at the 2010 Grammies, not the one awarded in 2011 for a 2010 performance. Whatever, I figured it out.

Argyle said...

Not to worry; you are in good company on this one. We see it every time these things come up. You are right; the clue should be clearer. It really doesn't make the answer any easier.