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Feb 22, 2019

Friday, February 22, 2019, Patti Varol

Title: Does a male deliver your mail?

Today Rich's assistant Patti provides the entertainment with a very consistent homonym puzzle. 5 in the language phrases are repurposed using their sound-alike equivalent with humorous results.  This is my seventh trip as the guide for a PV puzzle, one of more than 30 she has published in the LAT. All five themers are four-letter words ending "AIL" replacing the "ALE."  WHALE is the outlier, as it is five letters. The puzzle does not feel like a Friday, with 78 words which average less than 5 letters each. It has some non-theme glitter like ATHEIST, EGOSURF, FLITTED, MULCHES, PADLOCK, SIDE BET, CAROL KANE, and  KALE CHIPS. There are some challenging words, some unknown directors, and a few that were hidden to me as clued, but lo and behold it is done, so time to discuss.

17A. Totally rad electric guitar performance?: KILLER WAIL (10). After last Saturday's WHALE tribute by HG, we start with a nice guitar solo. BOBBY BARTH.

23A. Emergency bucket on Dior's boat?: CHRISTIAN BAIL (13). Christian Dior has a hole in his boat which he needs to BALE the water and becomes the Welsh actor who has been Batman and Dick Cheney on screen but is HIMSELF accepting his awards.

37A. Jib made of clothing labels?: TAG SAIL (7). When I was a child, my grandmother worked in a tag factory, where they made all the labels used to show at a Tag SALE.

51A. Where to find more beach toys?: BEYOND THE PAIL (13). Beyond the PALE  a rather negative concept changes to evoke an idyllic scene by the ocean.

60A. Impressive New York zoo peacock display?: A BRONX TAIL (10). This is my favorite as the cult classic A BRONX TALE, a dark movie becomes a lively display at the famous Bronx Zoo.

Across:

1. Information desk sign: ASK ME. I do not see that often, my favorite is below.

6. Sits in a cellar, say: AGES. Wine, it was Chairman Mao's birthday recently.

10. Chuckleheads: SAPS. I have not heard the phrase chucklehead in years.

14. Yuletide name: CLAUS.



15. Philanthropist Wallace: LILA. Co-founder of the READER'S DIGEST. Do you remember her?

16. Grammy-winning rapper: ICE-T. Tracy Lauren Marrow reappears. HG one.

19. Short copy?: DUPE. Cute.

20. Upper bod muscle: PEC. Bod tells you it is an abbreviation. It also is a word not popular any longer IMO.

21. Poor Richard, really: BEN. I did not know Mr. Franklin well enough to call him Ben, I do like to look at him in my wallet.

22. Brusque: TERSE.

27. Nonbeliever: ATHEIST.

29. Shoreline flood protection: DUNE. According to the Waikato Regional Council, sand dunes protect our shorelines from coastal erosion and provide shelter from the wind and sea spray.

30. Caper film event: HEIST. What is your favorite of all time?

31. Actor Danson: TED. Again a repeat from Husker's Saturday.

32. Dessert chain with Cotton Candy Freeze: TCBYThe Country's Best Yogurt.

36. Travel guide: MAP.

41. SE state: ALAbama.

42. "When all __ fails ... ": ELSE. People say THIS many ways.

44. "Let 'er __!": RIP. Speaking of ripped...

45. Zac of "Baywatch": EFRON.

47. Error: GOOF.

49. Master piece?: PADLOCK. Very cool clue.  This fill has never appeared in the LA Times and referencing the lock company MASTER  was brilliant.

55. Expunge: ERASE.

56. Mahershala of "True Detective": ALI. This is his BIOGRAPHY.

57. IMAX purchase: TKT.

59. X-ray, Yankee, __: ZULU.  Your cheat sheet.

64. Phone button abbr.: OPER.

65. X-ray units: RADS. The rad is a unit of absorbed radiation dose , defined as 1 rad = 0.01 Gy = 0.01 J/kg.

66. Starbucks size: VENTI. We have had this discussion recently.

67. Double __ Oreos: STUF. We have had this discussion recently.

68. "If you don't mind?": MAY I.

69. In other words, in Caesar's words: ID EST. Not Sid, but one of the Emperors speaking Latin.


Down:

1. "Crikey!": ACK. I do not see these as synonymous. My SOURCE.

2. Berth place: SLIP. A nice sound alike pun/clue.

3. Healthy snack: KALE CHIPS.  That claim is being DEBATED.

4. Puts a cover on, as a bed: MULCHES.  A bed of flowers, again, cool misdirection. These are probably healthy as well,  just as tasty, but too high in fiber.

5. Jargon suffix: ESE.

6. Astros' MLB division: AL WEST.

7. Really big: GIANT.

8. "The House With a Clock in Its Walls" director Roth: ELI. I have not seen this movie, but would never have known the DIRECTOR even if I had. His work seems promising.

9. "On the Road" narrator: SAL. Sal Paradise was the central character in Jack Kerouac's anthem to the post-World War II freedom of the open road.

10. Secondary wager: SIDE BET. There are various situations where this occurs. Side bets can involve any topic, such as a bet on a sports game occurring at the same time as the poker game or a bet on a piece of trivia that players are arguing over. However, usage is traditionally confined to bets that in some way involve occurrences in the poker game.

11. Integra maker: ACURA.

12. "For every generation" soft drink: PEPSI. Do you like the new Steve Carrell commercial?

13. 1943 penny metal: STEEL. Copper shortage due to WWII.

18. Hitting stat: RBIsRuns Batted In.

22. Paramount Network, once: TNN. The NASHVILLE NETWORK became Spike TV before the recent switch to its current name.

24. "Norma Rae" director: RITT. Another DIRECTOR I do not know. Sally is back after also seeing her in this part in HG's Saturday.

25. Writer's block breakthrough: IDEA.

26. German wheels: AUDI.

27. Words of lament: AH ME. Ask me?

28. Marsh duck: TEAL.

31. Cough syrup meas.: TSP. Abbreviations.

33. Actress who plays Kimmy Schmidt's landlady: CAROL KANE. Her role in TAXI will always be what my memory of her is, I have never watched the new show.

34. Allied group: BLOC. Bloc is also back.

35. Jerk: YANK.ee? Next to...

38. "Sunday Night Baseball" analyst, familiarly: A-ROD.

39. One often taking a bow: GIFT. Ah, bow not bow!

40. Helen of Troy's mother: LEDA. The STORY is much more complicated than that clue/fill suggests.

43. Try to find oneself?: EGOSURF. I still do not know this term, but it is in the OED and was introduced to us by Brad Wilber on Saturday, Mar 27, 2010, here at the LAT. I also said then I did not know the concept while commenting on a rare JzB Saturday write-up.

46. Made moth moves: FLITTED. A very cute clue also.

48. Half and half: ONE. Another time a simple clue adds up as something other than for coffee.+

49. House speaker after Ryan: PELOSI. No apolitical way to comment on this.

50. Neat as __: A PIN.

51. Amazon founder: BEZOS. How will his FEUD with the National Enquirer turn out? For 500 million, I might have married him.

52. Blow one's stack: ERUPT.

53. Ivy in Conn.: YALE U. Glue.

54. Resistant to cold, as plants: HARDY. Such a versatile word.

58. Small songbirds: TITS. Snicker, snicker.

60. Parka sleeve: ARM.

61. "Listen, ewe!": BAA. Sheep humor.

62. Income tax Amendment: XVI. "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration." The origin of the income tax on individuals is generally cited as the passage of the 16th Amendment, passed by Congress on July 2, 1909, and ratified February 3, 1913; however, its history actually goes back even further. During the Civil War Congress passed the Revenue Act of 1861 which included a tax on personal incomes to help pay war expenses.

63. Hammered: LIT. There are endless synonyms for this (maybe I shouldn't mention that after the last week kerfuffle); here are SOME.

Patti is a pro, though puzzle still did not seem like a Friday even with the hard clues and other obstacles, but I had a great time. I hope you did, but either way, thank you for being here. Lemonade out.


Notes from C.C.:

Malcolm told me that Fermet Prime (Lorraine) stays at the Northridge Hospital, but is expected to be released on Saturday. I'll call her later today. Malcolm talked to her yesterday and said  "She’s a bit groggy because of the pain-killers she’s on". Please continue to keep her in your thoughts and prayers.

65 comments:

OwenKL said...

DNF. The NW corner got me. I had AwK, ShIP, and just a blank, not even a WAG, at M.LCHES crossing whA.S.

If you meet a man named CHRISTIAN,
But ATHEIST is in his description,
Don't be too surprised
If he's even baptized.
For some folks it's a secular tradition.

Tag's mother quilted his patchwork TAG SAIL.
From odds and ends she found at a TAG SALE.
Other pirates mocked,
Asked if he'd mend their socks,
Made him drink till TAG'S ALE made TAG'S AIL!

There's a TALE of a YANK in ALABAMA
Who went to visit his Gramma.
Said he'd joined the Klan
Like a good Southern man --
There he could wear her gift of pajama!

{B, A-, B.}

desper-otto said...

Good morning!

Patti made me struggle this morning, especially in the upper midwest. Didn't know ELI or SAL -- the L and A were fortunate WAGs. Really wanted DIKE at 29a, but AUDI won't allow it. ALAS morphed into AH ME, causing AAA to morph into MAP. Wite-Out, please. The V in VENTI was another WAG. I've never been inside a Starbucks. Thanx for the workout, Patti, and for the erudite tour, Lemonade.

BEN: My Navy "home" for a couple of years was the aircraft carrier Bon Homme Richard, named after John Paul Jones' ship, which was named after the French for "Poor Richard," which was a creation of Ben Franklin's. Our shipboard newspaper was Poor Richard's Almanac in honor of Franklin's publication. Old "Bonnie Dick" went to the scrapyard in '92. Her lasting legacy is mesothelioma -- suffered by many former crew members who were exposed to asbestos while aboard.

Big Easy said...

ASK ME. Do I like the letter rearrangement puzzles? ONLY if they are not the same. After KILLER WAIL the only suspense was guessing the unknown names of A&E crowd with perps. Hey, All HAIL could break loose. What 'AILS' can I say? Only GAIL STORM (GALE was an obvious stage name name) knows.

LILA, ALI, ELI, RITT, & CAROL KANE. A-ROD was the only other filled by perps. The MULCHES and PADLOCK clues were great.

EGOSURF is a term I'd never heard before. I guess if you search on Google for your name it might show up. KALE CHIPS- if they taste like kale, I'll pass.

Baseball question. Why is Alex Rodriguez, aka AROD, the celebrity but Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, & Roger Clemons considered the bad sheep? Obviously they all were taking steroids. Ditto for Lance Armstrong. He's the scapegoat only because he won. ALL the bike riders were doing it but since they never won any big races, it didn't matter to the press.

CartBoy said...

Foothold in NE. No issues until...VENTE for VENTI (not a big coffee guy). Should have read the down clue.

Hahtoolah said...

Good Morning, Lemonade and friends. This was such a fun Friday puzzle. My first theme fill was CHRISTIAN BAIL. I thought at first the theme might be puns on celebrity names, then PAIL and TAIL appeared.

Mahershala ALI is up for an Oscar for his role in Green Book.

PEPSI and PELOSI in the same puzzle made me smile.

I knew that Poor Richard was really BEN Franklin. I don't see too many of his faces, or any other faces for that matter, in my wallet. We are moving to a Cashless society. Many children don't even know what to do with actual cash.

Puts a Cover on a Bed = MULCHES was a great misdirection. I just bought a new comforter for my bed, but this weekend I will be putting MULCH on my garden bed.

QOD: The first 40 years of life give us the text; the next 30 years provide the commentary. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer (Feb. 22, 1788 ~ Sept. 21, 1860)

Jinx in Norfolk said...

FIW & DNF. Thought I was done, then found a blank cell at CAROL_ANE x T_T. Probably would have gotten that one with an alphabet run had I not run out of P&P. But LILy x SyL was a total WAG. Figured it had to be A, I or Y. Charles Kuralt wouldn't fit.

Erased hIT and ATHieST. Bad spellers of the world UNTIE!

Who knew there were male members (teeheehee) of the Baywatch cast?

Thanks for the fun, Patti. My favorites were "try to fine oneself" for EGO SURF and "half and half" for ONE. Least favorite was "hitting stat" for RBIS. I'm sure it is correct on some technicality, but to me it would have been better clued "hitting stats". As a singular it doesn't need the "S". RunS batted in. "Smith led the AL in RBI", and "Smith and Jones led the majors in RBIS".

Thanks to Lemony for another fun review.

Feel better IM and Fermat.

Anonymous said...

What a slogfest.

Bob Niles said...

Twenty some years ago I had my first and last visit to Starbucks. On a layover in Pittsburgh I wanted a coffee pick me up. Ordered a small regular coffee, $3 back when that was a fair piece of change. I have never been back.

Yellowrocks said...

Fun homonym puzzle. My Natick was T-T crossing CAROL _ANE. An ABC run finally gave me the K. MULCHES took a while. Very clever, Patti. Great expo, Lemon.
Lemon, dictionary definitions agree with you on ACK , however Cathy in her comic strip used ACK or AACK as a synonym for crikey. She didn’t use it for disgust. IMO, OMG could be used for both ACK and CRIKEY.
Link ACK
Agnes, how is your foot? I hope the pain is subsiding.
Lorraine, my thoughts are with you for a quick and complete recovery.

billocohoes said...

Liked the clue for MULCHES, but otherwise..

I'm calling an almost double-Natick for 8D, 9D, and 17A (I've at least heard of On the Road), ABC run got KANE and therefore whatever abbreviation used for ticket, (wanted TIX), had ACh for ACK, and is EGOSURF even a real thing?

But RBI is often spoken as a singular noun, pronounced ARR-BEE-EYE, so RBIs as a plural is OK.

Anonymous said...

A Bronx Tale is one of my favorite movies but I dont consider it a dark movie nor a cult classic.

Jinx in Norfolk said...

B-O, "his walk with the bases loaded gave him an RBI (or more likely "a ribbie"). But the clue said "stat". Doesn't make much difference, but that grinds in my ear like people saying they have "sugar diabetes". But what do I know, I'm just a hillbilly who grew up believing the past tense of "fight" was "fit".

Jerome D Gunderson said...

RBIS is a stat. RBIS and ERAS are stats. The clue is correct.

Yellowrocks said...

EGO SURF is found in many dictionaries, Google and Wikipedia as an informal word. It is new to me, but it could be inferred and wagged from a few perps. Perps were very necessary in the Great Lakes area. BEN, ALWAEST, AGES, WAIL (sussed from the theme), and GIANT set up SAL, ELI and LILA (remembered only after getting ESP)
Our machines at the gym have a list the muscles they strengthen, pecs included. I see that body building sites use these muscle nicknames.
I have seen and heard the plurals, RBI and RBIs. Looking at sports articles today on the Internet I see both usages. Dictionaries list both plurals.
A Washington U professor says, "Some people reason that since “RBI” stands for “runs batted in,” there is no need for an additional “S” to indicate a plural, and speak of “120 RBI.” However, though somewhat illogical, it is standard to treat the initialism as a word and say “RBIs.” In writing, one can add an optional apostrophe: “RBI’s.” Definitely nonstandard is the logical but weird “RsBI.”
I would say the choice is up to the writer or speaker. Seldom is there only one right way in these discussions. I am open minded, except for accepting the insistence on only one right way for many things.

billocohoes said...

No, Jerome, I concede to Jinx that the statistic is RBI, but if you double with runners on 2nd and 3rd you get two RBIs. <a href="https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2011/ap-releases-world-series-style-guide/>The Associated Press World Series Style Guide</a> says to use RBIs. To everyone else, it's not right or wrong, just a style choice, like the Oxford comma. Or like the New York Times insisting on using periods in N.C.A.A. and N.Y.U. (for New York University), but in the same article writing SUNY for the State University of New York.

billocohoes said...

The Associated Press World Series Style Guide

I always forget that second quote

Abejo said...

Good morning, folks. Thank you, Patti Varol, for a fine puzzle. Thank you, Lemonade, for a fine review.

Printed a mensa puzzle to do this today. Cruciverb was more than out to lunch today. Could not even get to the site.

Puzzle was a solid Friday level, tough.

Liked the theme. Took me a while to grasp it. My first answer was TAG SAIL.

Liked MULCHES. Good misdirection.

Had NATO for a while at 34D. TCBY made me change that to BLOC.

BEN was easy. I think everybody knows the Ben Franklin story and Poor Richard's Almanac.

Double STUF Oreos are great!

EGO SURE is a new phrase or word for me.

Still cold and icy in NE Illinois.

Hope you are feeling better Fermatprime.

See you tomorrow.

Abejo

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Lemonade714 said...

Continued improvement for Agnes and Lorraine, excuse my misspoken Lillian last night.

Anon at 8:56am, it is nice to know you still care but my comments in my write-ups are never more than my personal opinion. An opinion can be foolish, or misinformed but it cannot be wrong. I eat at a few Italian restaurants where they run A BRONX TALE and GOODFELLAS om a continuous loop. To me, that suggests classic. It also was inspirational as discussed in this ARTICLE . The plight of a young man born into a world of gangsters and racial tension was dark to me, but YMMV.

I am impressed by how we can still argue about RBI(S) after all these years. Rock on.

CanadianEh! said...

Fabulous Friday. Thanks for the fun, Patti and Lemonade.
I moved through this fairly quickly but left some ponds of white in the north. They filled in the end, but I arrived here to discover I FIWed by choosing Lili instead of LILA (which also gave me Sil instead of SAL). I see that others had the same GOOF.
But I got the theme and saw all the AILs.

Hand up for Ship before SLIP, Alas before AH ME. I also had Tern before TEAL.
49A PADLOCK did not make sense to me because I am not familiar with Master locks. YALE would have clicked.
I smiled at the clues for AGES (thought of Reds for Marti), and 39D bow! 4D cover on bed was not a Duvet. Jerk was a verb. DUPE (duplicate) for "short copy" was cute.
EGOSURF is a new word for me.

62D was totally and thankfully perps for this Canadian. ACK, now it seems that I must add to my list (see my comments from yesterday) of American information to store in my memory bank. I knew that we needed SSNS for Income tax (not SINS), but the Amendment number?!!! End of rant LOL! (But even this Canadian knew PELOSI. Just ASK ME if you want a Canadian viewpoint.)

Loved the QOD, Hahtoolah. It goes well with 6A, AGES.

Wishing you all a good day.

Lucina said...

Thank you, Patti Varol and Lemonade!

When I started this it didn't seem like fun but once I cracked the code at TAGSAIL and BEYOND THE PAIL, it was great fun!

ICE-T is my go to fill for a rapper unless it's another and unknown.

DUPE was cleverly clued as was MULCHES. Good misdirection.

This was altogether a satisfying solve.

Thank you, again, Lemonade, for your usually scholarly exposition.

Have delightful day, everyone! It's still raining and snowing as far south as north Phoenix!

Anonymous said...

Yes Lemonade, A Bronx Tale is absolutely a classic, as is Goodfellas, The Godfather and The Godfather part II. But I think of a cult classic as:

A cult film or cult movie, also commonly referred to as a cult classic, is a film that has acquired a cult following. Cult films are known for their dedicated, passionate fanbase, an elaborate subculture that engage in repeated viewings, quoting dialogue, and audience participation.

My fave cult classics are: The Big Lebowski, Raising Arizona, Office Space and Easy Rider. I imagine one of the most popular is The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Here is IMDB's list, https://m.imdb.com/list/ls000571226/

Btw, A Bronx Tale is not dark either. Roger Ebert had this to say upon its realease: "very funny [and] very touching. It is filled with life and colorful characters and great lines of dialogue, and De Niro, in his debut as a director, finds the right notes as he moves from laughter to anger to tears [while] retaining its values."

Lemonade714 said...

CEh, you sent me back to my write-up because, for me, Master has always been the padlock company and Yale the door, safe and other big locks. So I read and now you have THE HISTORY OF PADLOCKS . Also, the THE HISTORY OF YALE LOCKS . Thank you

Yellowrocks said...

Speaking of crikey, when I access the Google site, the first thing I see is an image of Steve Irwin holding a gator (or a croc?). I always think of Steve when I hear crikey.
We are now working with reps from four group homes for Alan. Things are finally moving along. They may be settled by April or May. We have been working on this for 10 or more months. Alan is eager to live in a group home because he is wishing for peers. However, wondering for so long what his life will be like there is making him anxious.
Canadian Eh, I doubt many Americans know the income tax amendment number, XVI. It was all perps for me.
The Cathy comic strip is the principle way I remember ACK. If I hadn't read that comic it would have been difficult.
MULCHES was my favorite misdirection.

Lemonade714 said...

Anon's IMDB LIST . Most seem quirky.

I had A BRONX TALE on the list because it was not a box office hit like and yet the restaurants play it incessantly. All of the stresses on the young man and the conflicts were dark to me, but I am glad you enjoy the movie.

Husker Gary said...

Musings
-The welding videos I am showing today are as informative as Lemon’s write-up.
-CAROL_ANE/T_T gave me one bad cell GOOF. Duh!
-My iPhone has replaced a scanner to make DUPES
-Nixon recalled all bills bigger than BEN’S in ’69 to help thwart big drug deals
-Another sand DUNE functon
-The Ocean’s 11 HEISTS were my favorite.
-VENTI ranks right up there with “en suite” on the pretentious scale
-My friend sent me this sage KALE advice
-A-ROD admitted steroid use and was welcomed back to baseball where he is a very good analyst. If only Pete Rose had not lied for all those years about gambling
-PELOSI and McConnell keep their minions in a BLOC
-BTW, Lemon often proofs my write-ups and finds the ERRORS of my ways! Much appreciated.
-Gotta run!!

Misty said...

Always exciting to see a Patti Varol puzzle. Although I worried because it is a Friday, I still did pretty well on it, getting almost all the bottom and bits of the top before the cheating started. And I even got the PAIL theme early on. Good thing I keep track of the news--helped me get both BEZOS and PELOSI this morning. But when am I ever going to start thinking of the double meanings of words? Of course, I assumed the BED was one you sleep on, not one you MULCH, and that it was a performer taking a BOW and not a GIFT. TED Danson has been showing up a lot in puzzles lately--I loved him in "Cheers" and now in "The Good Place." So, lots of fun, many thanks, Patti. And great write-up, as always, Lemonade.

Yellowrocks, how cool that you reminded us of Cathy in the comics--I haven't thought of her ACK in years.

Thanks for the update on Fermatprime, C.C., I will certainly keep her in my prayers.

Have a great day, everybody.

Anonymous said...

Lemonade, I think one could put "quirky" in the definition for "cult classic". I think quirky perfectly defines the fan base for most cult classics. Ever been to the midnight showing of a cult classic like Rocky Horror Picture Show? Almost the entire audience shows up in costume carrying props such as water pistols, confetti, toilet paper and hotdogs all the while dancing in the aisles doing the Time Warp. It is truly a quirky scene, man.

Yellowrocks said...

Maybe the term en suite is not as common on the Great Plains. Around here en suite it is just a normal architectural term.
Google says about en suite, "(of a bathroom) immediately adjoining a bedroom and forming part of the same set of rooms."
"all rooms have en-suite facilities"
Our condo is modest and 30 years old, but the master bath is ensuite. Most of the master baths these days are directly adjoining the bedroom. You do not have to go out in the hall to access them. I can walk nude from the shower to the dresser to get dressed.
In the novel I read this week that term appeared often in describing very modest and very upscale homes, alike.

Anonymous said...

Lemonade714

You said, “Wine, it was Chairman Mao's birthday recently.”

I looked up Mao Zedong (Chairman Mao) in Wikipedia, and it showed his birthday as December 26. He’s long since passed; I’m curious as to what his connection to wine is, although China could become the next major producer of grapes/wine, as their geographical area is in the sweet spot for growing vinis vinifera (the genus/species for wine grapes).

I’m betting they’ll make lots of reds.

Kay Syrah

Tinbeni said...

Lemon: Nice, informative write-up. Good Job !!!

Well this seemed like "One-of-My-Favorite" Friday solves ever.

Dang, I'm stuck with 84 degree, sunny skies ... Time for the beach.

Cheers!

Lemonade714 said...

If I said Chairman Mao's birthday, it was either a typo, an awful autocorrect or a Freudian slip. My intention was to recall Chris our wine expert who posted under Chairman Moe and was another poet with limericks and Moekus.

I do like both of your witticisms - lots of reds and Kay Syrah

oc4beach said...


I almost finished it without checking on anything, but alas, it was not to be. I had to look up RITT and I had car CHASE before HEIST. Other than that I got Patti's theme and even some of her trickier clues. Nicely done Patti.

Lemon's write-up made for a nice topping to the puzzle.

I won't join the RBI discussion, but if you want to talk TDs, FGs, INTs, etc., I'm here.

Like many things, Cult Classics are in the eye of the beholder. Sometimes they are truly bad and some are really good. After looking at the IMDB top 100, I only saw a few that I would consider appropriate for the list and feel that there are many missing. Just my opinion, which doesn't mean anything.

Like the other day I agree with HG on the pretentiousness of certain words. I don't play their game when I go to Starbucks (which is rare). I tell them the size drink I want in generic terms. And I live in the East, not the Great Plains.

Snow on the ground, but not snowing. Makes it a good day. Enjoy the day everyone.



Irish Miss said...

Hi Everyone:

I love seeing Patti's byline because It promises a fun and quirky solve. I had a little bit of trouble getting the gist of the theme, but once I did, it was pure sailing, no tags! My unknowns were Lila and Ritt. Having Lily before Lila hpgave me Syd before Sal, so that area was a mess for a while. That devious clue for Mulches had Makes up, until the penny dropped. Hand up for Ship before Slip, another sly misdirection by Miss V. AtHEIST right above Heist struck my eye. Ego Surf is a new phrase to me but was easy to guess.

Thanks, Patti, for a just right Friday challenge and thanks, Lemony, for the wise and witty commentary.

YR, that is welcome news about the group home progress. I hope Alan's excitement about living with peers will allay most of his anxiety.

My foot is encased in a heavy, clumsy boot and as soon as I can get some food in my tummy, I'll be taking a high-octane dose of Ibuprofen. The doctor diagnosed my problem as an inflamed tendon. The X-rays were negative for a stress fracture but he didn't rule that out entirely. I hope I see some improvement soon. (A few canine clips might cheer me up, if anyone cares to indulge me.) Thank you all for your kind words of concern.

FLN

Pat, thanks for sharing the rescue/release videos of that treasured Eagle. Kudos to your brother and all those who made it possible.

CED, thanks for your link that portrayed the goodness of human nature; we see far too much of the bad side.

Have a great day

Husker Gary said...

Musings 2
-We like watching on HGTV and “en suite” just seemed to appear recently and I had never heard it used there or in “real life” either. YR, it’s, uh, a good thing yours in en suite.
-As a baseball fan, RBI still clangs on my ear after hearing it as RBI’S for such a long time.
-Rotten Tomatoes didn’t care for Ocean’s 8 from last year
-McGuire and A-ROD admitted steroid use and were welcomed back to baseball. Bonds and Clemmons haven’t and aren’t
-No more welding in Ag Class today. We’ve progressed onto tracking commodity prices
-Big snow tonight! Kids (and teachers) are upset that it is happening on a Friday night

Lucina said...

En suite never occurred to me, but mine is exactly that. The bathroom is part of the bedroom with two closets in between facing each other and forming a short hallway. No problem walking from the shower to the bedroom to retrieve clothes.

Irish MIss:
I hope your foot heals soon. It all sounds painful. I'm so sorry.

C.C.
I hope you can convey to Lorraine how much we miss her, that we are thinking of her and praying for her quick recovery.

Anonymous said...

I think people are confusing "cult classic" with the standard "classic".

Casablanca is a classic. The Wizard of Oz is a classic.

Night of the Living Dead? Cult classic

CanadianEh! said...

Lemonade@11:12 - Thanks for the info on the locks. DH recognized the MASTER lock name. I found my high-school locker padlock and it is a DUDLEY.

YR- Ensuite is used here commonly re attached bathroom and is not considered pretentious.
Good news re plans for Alan. Hope things progress smoothly and his anxiety diminishes.

AnonymousPVX said...


Well this Friday outing had some extra crunch to it.

“I had an RBI”. “I had 2 RBIs”. Doesn’t seem to me that this deserves the level of discussion it’s received, IMHO.

I got nowhere in the NW so I retreated to the bottom and had more success working my way back up. But the NW and NC both were tough.

The only reason I got 8D and 9D were due to my LILA wag. Had no idea any of the 3 were correct until coming here.

I was spacey as could be after my test on Wednesday, so I’m sure Fermat is still going to be groggy. Best of luck to her, and to Irish Miss as well. I had that boot years ago when I broke a bone in my foot. Hello, Frankenstein.

No markovers today because I just didn’t guess until the NC was left and had to, luckily I guessed correctly.

Jayce said...

I had a difficult time solving this puzzle. Starting off with PIER and then DOCK as the berth place, DIKE and then BERM as the shoreline flood protection, and INFIDEL as the nonbeliever didn't help. Of course neither STEVE nor HARTMAN fit as the On The Road guy, either. Had to do too many alphabet runs and make too many totally random guesses to be enjoyable. The word slog comes to mind. Loved the clues for MULCHES and PADLOCK, and love the word FLITTED as well as the clue for it, which is on the plus side. When my wife goes shopping she flits, so I make no attempt to follow her closely as I push the cart.

LW and I had coffee at Starbucks once and never again. As if the over-roasted, burnt-tasting coffee weren't bad enough, the pretentiousness also drove us away.

CanadianEh, please feel free to discuss your views on Ms. PELOSI with me by email if you wish.

Wow, so much snow!

Good wishes to you all.

Jinx in Norfolk said...

Did I miss someone else commenting that ASCII 6 is ACK (acknowledge)? ASCII 21 is NAK (negative acknowledge).

PVX, I agree that the RBI's's's discussion isn't worth the amount of discussion it generated, and I started it! Now the "merits" of the DH rule would be worth plenty of type, and would be just about as easy to get consensus.

Irish Miss said...

AnonymousPVX @ 2:16 ~ Your "Hello Frankenstein" made me smile as that vision was exactly how I pictured myself while struggling to walk without tipping over.

I forgot to mention that the doctor said he could give me a cortisone shot but I would be sore for three days. I politely declined as I'm not fond of needles, especially one going into my foot.

Lemonade714 said...

Anon at 2:00PM and oc4beach, I have often expressed that I believe that we must respect each other's opinion because it is what feels go to us, and does not mean it feels good to everyone. Where Mr. and Mrs. Sprat be if they did not accept the opinions of their spouse?

At the same time, I understand and accept the various cult classic concepts put forth here and can understand why my comment was not accepted as truth. For me (and perhaps me alone) if a movie was not a box office success, but through word of mouth became popular long after theatrical release, it is a cult classic. ROCKY HORROR is probably the ultimate example. A BRONX TALE was not a box office success but more than 25 years later it still gets much play. At the same time, it is not as quirky as others. Ah well...

Ol' Man Keith said...

Lima Oscar Lima!
Ta ~DA!
Just hard enough to make me drop my pen two or three times. MULCHES gave me the most trouble, and I didn't understand "Short copy" for DUPE until...Now!
I never thought of "Crikey!" as ACK either. To me, it's closer to "'Struth!"

But all in all, this was fun throughout, and Ms. Varol deserves full thanks.
Lemonade gets his kudos too, esp. for that familiar tongue-in-cheekiness that gives us such things as his naughty new sign for the Help Desk.
Lima Oscar Lima all over again.

Happy Washington's birthday everybody! Let the festivities commence!

C.C. ~
Thank you for your close care of the Corner--and for keeping us apprised of Fermat's condition. I add my warmest wishes for her complete recovery.
~ OMK
____________
DR:
We have another 3-way today, this time on the flip side.
The abundance of hissing sibilants in the main diagonal tempts one to indulge a double dipping into potential anagrams.
The first is the initial take, but it is lonely & forlorn without one’s second visit.
Let's see now: In sequential order, they state that, given the morally right (wrong?) conditions, …
ONE ESPOUSES
SENSUOUS SIN”!
(Oscar Lima Lima,
which is to say Ooo, la la!)

Lemonade714 said...

Okay, Agnes.

DOGS ONE .

DOGS TWO .

DOGS THREE .

Michael said...

IM @ 12:39 .... Glad your foot's not caught up in gout (which your description yesterday might have matched), since it is (in today's misdirection), an AMAZING PANE.

Anonymous T said...

Hi All!

Thank you Patti for constructing this grid amid the daily editing grind. Thanks Lem for the intro and links [and, D'uh! THE Amendment - I was thinking tax code*].
And thank you, C.C., for the update on Fermat.

What D-O said re: Center-North (a WAG-fest), ALAS, and AAA b/f MAP unfolded. Other WOs: ATHieST (hi Jinx! - we followed the I b/f E rule and what did it get us?), and Tix (hi BillO!)

I won't bore (boar?) you w/ ESPs; suffice to say (sans BEN, TED, CLAUS, and PELOSI) Names!

Fav: c/a for PAD LOCK. A SIDE-hobby of mine is studying locks; between Master and ?, it was easy pickin'
//'clicked', Funny Stuff C, Eh!

Misdirections: Bow didn't trick me to bend at the waist, I got ONE w/o thought, and MULCHES appeared on it's own but was delightful.

Liked seeing TEAL today after we leaned last week they are a "Duck that lends its name to a color" (2/12)

{A, A-, B+}

IM - Ouch! This is totally out of character for me but, for you, Puppy. Get well soon.

HG - LOL the KALE quip.; my sentiments exactly. //The company cafeteria must be in cahoots with our Wellness plan; they keep trying to push KALE as a side.

EGO SURF is basically Googling yourself. It's actually not a bad idea from a security perspective just to see how easy it would be for someone to find [how much] about you. Bypassing praise won't boost the EGO though... //I actually was going for EGO TRIP - travel to find one's ego/self :-)

DW has her StarbucksESE down-pat.** I intentionally 'embarrass her' by ordering "A normal black coffee in a cup this big."

Cheers, -T
*Article XVI, Subsection b), paragraph 9, line 7 - "[...] hand it over. More. More. C'mon a little More" :-)
**VENTI vanilla mocha something something something something....

PK said...

Hi Y'all! Patti was AIL-ing today, but she couldn't get much better -- at puzzle trickiness. Lemonade, thank you for being our faithful & witty guide.

I liked the theme. KILLER perped in and I tried "riff" which flashed red. After I got CHRISTIAN BAIL & TAG SAIL, the light dawned and I went back to fill WAIL. The other two theme entries flowed in easily.

Hand up for Alas before AH ME, LILy before LILA. I had 8 other names I DNK. Never been to Starbucks so didn't know VENTE. Don't drink coffee.

Hahtoolah: I agree with your comment that children don't know what to do with cash. When my one grandson was about 8, I handed him a card with a "BEN" in it. He opened it, very disappointed, and threw it on the floor, WAILing. I told him since I couldn't shop anymore, I'd give him the money to do his own shopping. The problem was his mom always confiscated his cash gifts and put them in a savings account and he never saw them again. "BEN" wasn't as good as a $5 toy.

CanadianEh: I don't know any of the amendment numbers anymore if I ever did. It's not just a Canadian thing.

C.C.: thanks for the update on Lorraine. She's been on my mind and in my prayers.

IM: you may have been wise to veto the cortisone shot. When I had an inflamed tendon that ran thru a "sinus", I had several cortisone shots with lidocaine (?) which eased the pain and I kept walking on the foot. The tendon then broke when I tripped over a chair leg. My chiropractor told me years later that cortisone made the tendon more brittle and may have contributed to the break. Still causing me huge problems almost 40 yrs. later. Hope you have full recovery.

YR: glad the group home project is progressing and glad Alan is looking forward to peers. Good luck!

Wilbur Charles said...

I coulda got'er. TKT got me. I was fooled a bunch of times, this one got me. I did an alphabet run but I got distracted (I might have been driving*) and skipped K! Aarrrggggghhh!!!!
This was mega hard for me, slog, slog slog. The list is endless. I just didn't quit and NW finally dropped.
Bummed
To think that NYT would OPINE about NCAA vs N.C.A.A. ugh

The list? AAA<MAP, ALAS, <AHME, The V in VENTI told me abbrevs were needed for XVI

HERA<LEDA,. DUNE is strange but correct. I thought of SANTA but never CLAUS; KILLER WAIL was very slow coming.

Side betting in Vegas** is very common, especially Craps.

Baseball takes an extreme view of gambling. It's quite in form for the gods to forever banish Rose like they did Shoeless Joe.

They banished Willy Mays just for greeting in Vegas.

WC

* I was at a light
** Never been there

Ray o sunshine said...

Destroyed NW corner with "OMG" 1 Down crossed with 17 across "guitarwail" so DNF.
On to Saturday!!

Irish Miss said...

Lemony @ 3:40 ~ Thanks for the triple cheer-me-up! King is quite worthy of being Best In Show, although I always gravitate toward the smaller dogs. I find it interesting that the Bichons are not in the Toy Group but, rather, they're in the Non-Sporting Group. My husband used to say they belonged in the "Bred to do nothing but sit in your lap Group"! I enjoyed the Puppy Bowl when it first aired. Thanks, again.

Anonymous T @ 3:44 ~ That Bichon puppy is adorable, if somewhat mischievous. Thanks for throwing your character to the winds just to make me happy!

Thanks, again, for the kind words. (Michael, I've never had gout but I know how painful it is. PK, sorry you had such a bad experience. Sometimes, unfortunately, the cure is worse than the ailment.)

Pat said...

After yesterday's easy run, today was back to normal; over my head. Thanks, Patti V., for the challenge, and thanks, Lemon, for the write-up.

It's late but I wanted to respond to IM and her request for canine posts. My Maggie, enjoying one of her favorite foods--Iceberg Lettuce.

Good evening.

Yellowrocks said...

Our Dalmatian, Gypsy, would steal a sandwich from an unwary kid's hand, scarf it down and spit out the lettuce. Pat, amazing that Maggie likes lettuce.

Pat said...

YR, not only does she like lettuce, she and my daughter's Dobie, LOVE grapefruit. They both drool excessively waiting for their share. To each their own.

Bill G said...

Hi everybody.

CC had a CW at USA Today titled "Leading a Double Life." I finished the puzzle but can't suss out the theme. Any help?

TTP said...

Bill, add life to each word of the long compound words

b said...

I knew the 18th Amendment was Prohibition, and income tax was before that, 17 wouldn't fit.

WC, it's not just the NCAA, it's all abbreviations. The NYT has its own style guide. Most newspaper editors use the Associated Press Style Book, book editors use the Chicago Manual of Style. They each standardize rules of punctuation, capitalization

Wilbur Charles said...

TTP, the EGO that would prompt the NYT to insist on the periods when the rest of the world simply uses NCAA etc

WC

TTP said...

Hi Wilbur, I think you meant to reply to "b". I have no dog in that hunt.

Lemonade714 said...

Every time I blog I end up learning something from the comments. thanks, guys and gals.

Anonymous T said...

Click once and the Google keeps feeding you...

IM - We may need YR & Jayce to translate this litter.

Style Guide? Whatever. #Twain :-)

Cheers, -T

Yellowrocks said...

AT, looks like Korean which I don't know.
Thanks for all the cute animal videos.h

Anonymous T said...

YR - Oh, Korean. I should have know from all the cute emojis :-) but I'm Asian-language ignorant. //Well, ignorant in general, but there you are. -T

Ol' Man Keith said...

OscarMikeGolf!
Yes, of course OMG should work perfectly for 1D--as an excellent American translation of British "Crikey!"
This is when perps are supposed to deliver us from evil.
~ OscarMikeKilo

Michael said...

Husker G @ 11:24: I think baby oil, or for that matter, even used motor oil, would be useful for kale removal.

Lemonade714 said...

While I do not know any Korean letter symbols, the kpop in the background made Koren the logical choice. We have married and are dating some Koreans in my family but so far, I learned nothing.